Dumping the clutch
06-03-2008, 02:46 AM
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Re: Dumping the clutch
wtf?you are not going to be 2-3 inches off the ground, if you are your draggin your brake and thats not right, you need to poke or tap your brake, you'll get into a rythme, dont use constant pressure, thats not the right way to do it. And you might need throttle while learning but riding idle means pokin brake to keep you from passin bp. Like sooooo........ in that pic i have powers big ol ****** 12 bar and im still aways from the ground
and since my hand isnt on throttle, im obviously at bp
ohhhh and by the way, that is soooo a zx10 front end
stock gears = less torque on idle = bike needs to be higher to catch idle
doesn't that sound right??
for example.....my f3 with idle turned up and 62t i could take off with no throttle just clutch. if i try that on my stock geared f4i i stall every time.
oh and i've had my f4i higher than your pic killswitch consistently and i haven't caught idle once yet.
06-03-2008, 02:59 AM
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Re: Dumping the clutch
Yeah I don't know what I was thinking when I said 2-3. But I still say go a little higher. I couldnt go a whole lot further past bp with my 62t, F4i, with the Idle at 4500. Different bike and different body position probably has a lot to do with it too.
06-03-2008, 03:28 AM
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Re: Dumping the clutch
I think gearing makes a big difference on how much torque the bike has on idle
stock gears = less torque on idle = bike needs to be higher to catch idle
doesn't that sound right??
for example.....my f3 with idle turned up and 62t i could take off with no throttle just clutch. if i try that on my stock geared f4i i stall every time.
oh and i've had my f4i higher than your pic killswitch consistently and i haven't caught idle once yet.
stock gears = less torque on idle = bike needs to be higher to catch idle
doesn't that sound right??
for example.....my f3 with idle turned up and 62t i could take off with no throttle just clutch. if i try that on my stock geared f4i i stall every time.
oh and i've had my f4i higher than your pic killswitch consistently and i haven't caught idle once yet.
moto........your right but its not that different, bp is pretty damn close on every bike, he just needs to understand not to go past bp and ride brake, thats bad habits, needs to stay right in front of bp and let idle try to push him into bp so he can poke, not ride, thats all im sayin
06-03-2008, 04:00 AM
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Re: Dumping the clutch
I got to watch some videos of me for the first time today.
As I thought, my problem is pretty clear. I clutch it from a stop too low (about 50 degrees) then start rolling off the power slowly as it climbs to BP.
Since I can watch it in slo-mo, I see that my forks do infact go a bit past horizontal while I wheelie. That's usually followed by over braking.
This whole process is taking me too long to do, and I end up at about 15mph by the time I'm at or going past BP. Then I do what Killswitch says not to... I drag on the brake past bp.
All that seems to do is keep me at that speed, or maybe slow me down a little... but I'm still on the throttle some.
When I focus on not using the brake other than to catch BP I usuall get them slower by throttle adjustments rather than brake. All the ones that have felt close to being right have had little brake input involved.
I think the fear factor still has a say. When I do a good launch straight up to BP and catch it with my brake... I usually go "ooh ****" and over brake as I shut the throttle down and end up back to earth.
I guess I need to go "ooh ****" shut the throttle down... and leave the brake alone lol.
Launching it fast to BP is easy, but friggin hard at the same time.
Watching myself on video helps tho.
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As I thought, my problem is pretty clear. I clutch it from a stop too low (about 50 degrees) then start rolling off the power slowly as it climbs to BP.
Since I can watch it in slo-mo, I see that my forks do infact go a bit past horizontal while I wheelie. That's usually followed by over braking.
This whole process is taking me too long to do, and I end up at about 15mph by the time I'm at or going past BP. Then I do what Killswitch says not to... I drag on the brake past bp.
All that seems to do is keep me at that speed, or maybe slow me down a little... but I'm still on the throttle some.
When I focus on not using the brake other than to catch BP I usuall get them slower by throttle adjustments rather than brake. All the ones that have felt close to being right have had little brake input involved.
I think the fear factor still has a say. When I do a good launch straight up to BP and catch it with my brake... I usually go "ooh ****" and over brake as I shut the throttle down and end up back to earth.
I guess I need to go "ooh ****" shut the throttle down... and leave the brake alone lol.
Launching it fast to BP is easy, but friggin hard at the same time.
Watching myself on video helps tho.
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06-03-2008, 11:58 PM
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Re: Dumping the clutch
crash........go ride lol
moto........your right but its not that different, bp is pretty damn close on every bike, he just needs to understand not to go past bp and ride brake, thats bad habits, needs to stay right in front of bp and let idle try to push him into bp so he can poke, not ride, thats all im sayin
moto........your right but its not that different, bp is pretty damn close on every bike, he just needs to understand not to go past bp and ride brake, thats bad habits, needs to stay right in front of bp and let idle try to push him into bp so he can poke, not ride, thats all im sayin
not saying i have any real clue as to what i'm talking about though
but i have been told gearing will help me learn idle
06-04-2008, 12:05 AM
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06-04-2008, 12:09 AM
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06-04-2008, 12:15 AM
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06-04-2008, 12:17 AM
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Re: Dumping the clutch
your riding with az?
And you still aint got idle???
Ima call half and get him to get your *** in gear, wtf haha ive only been riding a few months man, you need to step up dude, where yur wigg at son?
And you still aint got idle???
Ima call half and get him to get your *** in gear, wtf haha ive only been riding a few months man, you need to step up dude, where yur wigg at son?
06-04-2008, 12:19 AM
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and all of az can't be murdering it i had to come in a drop an ounce of squid into the hot sauce.
half said he was gonna give me secret ninja lesson's though. and number 2 has helped me alot.
06-04-2008, 12:24 AM
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haha good, hear, drop almost all your pressure in rear tire, turn idle up to like 4 grand, and rip it hard and then catch it bro, that easy, low pressure equals less left to right, you only gotta worry about your brake playa, just spend like a day clutchin it up hard, dont chase at all, just clutch it, if ya get it cool if not put it back down
and i mean low low pressure, ride on your ****** rim
and i mean low low pressure, ride on your ****** rim
06-04-2008, 12:27 AM
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haha good, hear, drop almost all your pressure in rear tire, turn idle up to like 4 grand, and rip it hard and then catch it bro, that easy, low pressure equals less left to right, you only gotta worry about your brake playa, just spend like a day clutchin it up hard, dont chase at all, just clutch it, if ya get it cool if not put it back down
and i mean low low pressure, ride on your ****** rim
and i mean low low pressure, ride on your ****** rim
and yes its time to try turning up the idle cuz its at about 2 g right now.
oh and btw i had a leak in my old tire and it got down to about 5 lbs in the rear one day at the spot and i could barely get the front off the ground. put air in it and i was back to normal clutching it up just fine
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06-04-2008, 12:31 AM
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Re: Dumping the clutch
i don't really have any trouble with side to side stag so is tire pressure REALLY gonna make a difference?
and yes its time to try turning up the idle cuz its at about 2 g right now.
oh and btw i had a leak in my old tire and it got down to about 5 lbs in the rear one day at the spot and i could barely get the front off the ground. put air in it and i was back to normal clutching it up just fine
and yes its time to try turning up the idle cuz its at about 2 g right now.
oh and btw i had a leak in my old tire and it got down to about 5 lbs in the rear one day at the spot and i could barely get the front off the ground. put air in it and i was back to normal clutching it up just fine
dude, everyone has
but just try mine, empty that **** lowww, and turn your idle up high, at least 3500 and goose that ****, if you learned at 2g you would be better off but right now you need to get passed that basic hump, please just try and let me know:YEAH 
06-04-2008, 12:35 AM
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06-04-2008, 04:55 AM
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haha good, hear, drop almost all your pressure in rear tire, turn idle up to like 4 grand, and rip it hard and then catch it bro, that easy, low pressure equals less left to right, you only gotta worry about your brake playa, just spend like a day clutchin it up hard, dont chase at all, just clutch it, if ya get it cool if not put it back down
and i mean low low pressure, ride on your ****** rim
and i mean low low pressure, ride on your ****** rim
I do notice that I tend to drift going one direction at the spot. Not sure if it's just the slope of the lot, or if I'm unintentionally causing it to drift right... but the listing sure does mess me up.
Here is from yesterday. Crappy quality pic from a short video screen shot, but any comments on it?
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