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Old Dec 6, 2007 | 02:45 PM
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by Mr. Farley
Exactly, unlike their sweat shops where they don't have a problem paying kids $0.13 an hour to make Nikes... or $5.00 a day to make TV's, the U.S. has laws that prevent this and b/c of that our labor rates will NEVER even come close to Asia so they will always be able to make products much more cheaply b/c they don't have laws in place that specify minimum wage rates that would in turn apply the same way the U.S. minimum wage laws do.
Now are we 'Right' for having these laws or are they?
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by NINER
A tarriff acts as a "sales" tax for foreign goods and services. You would have to set tariffs at a rate that makes the us product competitive with the foreign equivelent.

I read an election flyer from a guy who was a member of the american taxpayers party or some **** like that. It was a similar kind of idea. I liked what he had to say.
Then here's the deal, the U.S. would have to create something competitive... so if that Sylvania was say $2500 and the Sony was $2000, well that tariff would have to raise the overall price of that Sony to $2500. But the fact remains, American's are used to paying $2000 for an overseas product that may be inferior to a U.S. equivalent but it's still cheaper and until the U.S. can create products that are similarly priced to countries that specialize in those specific products I don't think we'll be seeing this change anytime soon.
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by Mr. Farley
Exactly, unlike their sweat shops where they don't have a problem paying kids $0.13 an hour to make Nikes... or $5.00 a day to make TV's, the U.S. has laws that prevent this and b/c of that our labor rates will NEVER even come close to Asia so they will always be able to make products much more cheaply b/c they don't have laws in place that specify minimum wage rates that would in turn apply the same way the U.S. minimum wage laws do.
if their was a tariff on their goods it makes american labor viable. More people here stay in a good paying job and pay less income taxes.
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by NINER
Or components/ services. Like how toyota/ ford/ volkwagon is "built in the USA" but all the parts are made in mexico, japan, china.
even if toyotas are made here, the profit still goes back to japan at the end of the day
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by Mr. Farley
Then here's the deal, the U.S. would have to create something competitive... so if that Sylvania was say $2500 and the Sony was $2000, well that tariff would have to raise the overall price of that Sony to $2500. But the fact remains, American's are used to paying $2000 for an overseas product that may be inferior to a U.S. equivalent but it's still cheaper and until the U.S. can create products that are similarly priced to countries that specialize in those specific products I don't think we'll be seeing this change anytime soon.
A tariff would allow that change to happen. Without it we will keep outsourcing everying overseas until it gets to the point that our labor rate has gone down so much and theirs has gone up so much that it becomes a wash when you consider the shipping.
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Re: Breakfast Club

ughh all this econ is making my head spin, im going home lol
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Re: Breakfast Club

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Now are we 'Right' for having these laws or are they?
I'd say morally, yes... it is right. I don't think it's fair to pay someone a wage that is so far below the poverty line they can't afford to do anything. I know the U.S. is not perfect and our minimum wage rate still puts anyone working at that rate below the poverty line, but EVERYONE agrees that the minimum wage rate should be raised to match inflation... which it hasn't. But, over there it's unjust how much their labor rate is, I mean they are so poor it's saddening.
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Re: Breakfast Club

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A tariff would allow that change to happen. Without it we will keep outsourcing everying overseas until it gets to the point that our labor rate has gone down so much and theirs has gone up so much that it becomes a wash when you consider the shipping.
ok now if this tariff is such a good idea (which it seems like so far)

then how come we dont already have that?


I know we do have a small import tax but obviously not enough
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by Mr. Farley
I'd say morally, yes... it is right. I don't think it's fair to pay someone a wage that is so far below the poverty line they can't afford to do anything. I know the U.S. is not perfect and our minimum wage rate still puts anyone working at that rate below the poverty line, but EVERYONE agrees that the minimum wage rate should be raised to match inflation... which it hasn't. But, over there it's unjust how much their labor rate is, I mean they are so poor it's saddening.
We cant all be rich.
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Re: Breakfast Club

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ok now if this tariff is such a good idea (which it seems like so far)

then how come we dont already have that?


I know we do have a small import tax but obviously not enough
Because it will **** off foreign countries.
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Re: Breakfast Club

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We cant all be rich.
That's what I always say. "Someone has to flip my ******* whopper"
Old Dec 6, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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Re: Breakfast Club

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Because it will **** off foreign countries.
somethign we're already good at
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by MikeM
ok now if this tariff is such a good idea (which it seems like so far)

then how come we dont already have that?


I know we do have a small import tax but obviously not enough
One acronym for you: NAFTA

http://www.fas.usda.gov/itp/Policy/NAFTA/nafta.asp
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Re: Breakfast Club

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That's what I always say. "Someone has to flip my ******* whopper"
i think that makes us republicans
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by Mr. Farley
i know all about nafta

I think that mexico could be competitive with china as far as sweatshops go. And id much rather buy from mexico than china
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Re: Breakfast Club

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i think that makes us republicans
If I would have said "I work hard flipping whoppers, I deserve to earn a comfortable living from it" Then I would be a democrat. LOL
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Re: Breakfast Club

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i know all about nafta

I think that mexico could be competitive with china as far as sweatshops go. And id much rather buy from mexico than china
Mexico is pretty much tapped out. We are putting so many jobs there they are having a hard time finding workers. That demand raises their wages and make it not that great of a deal.
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Re: Breakfast Club

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If I would have said "I work hard flipping whoppers, I deserve to earn a comfortable living from it" Then I would be a democrat. LOL
i was never sure, but as i get older i think more and more like a republican
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Re: Breakfast Club

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Mexico is pretty much tapped out. We are putting so many jobs there they are having a hard time finding workers.
theyre all in socal
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Re: Breakfast Club

Originally Posted by NINER
Mexico is pretty much tapped out. We are putting so many jobs there they are having a hard time finding workers. That demand raises their wages and make it not that great of a deal.
so mexicans arent leaving to find work, thyre just leaving because its ******* hot down there



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