what makes a pro rider?
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by rainman
Oh... you mean like the XSBA had... great idea.
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
I don't know why some people feel the need to say something negative about every post. It just baffles the mind at times. 
Hey just keep hitin those switches son. 
To everyone who is on topic, sorry for the off topic post!!! "KIDS" 
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
it would be really nice for all this to come together and everybody stay on the same page with an organized series of events and rankings....you don't know how many times i've heard prospective sponsors ask about that kind of stuff.....ken would definately be the guy to do it.....major props.
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by Ryan S
it would be really nice for all this to come together and everybody stay on the same page with an organized series of events and rankings....you don't know how many times i've heard prospective sponsors ask about that kind of stuff.....ken would definately be the guy to do it.....major props.
ken is NOT the guy to do it... WE THE RIDERS are the ones to do it, and withough all of pulling towards the same goal, sucking up our egos, and getting out there to compete/spectate, this will go nowhere...just as it did in 2004.
Ken is someone to get advice from and someone who will help us-and believe me, he gets nothing out of it....so we need to use him as a resource as much as we can, but without rider support, we will fail again....
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by sclevela
ahemmmmmmmmm i have vid footage of to northeast "pro" stunters signed up on the amateur list at stuntrageous 1! lmfao
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by sclevela
no i think what he was getting at ken (and i could be wrong but i dont think xsba made u do this_) was the whole idea of being good enough and confident enough not only to pull off a sick run............but to tell the judges ahead of time excatly what u were gonna do............therefore no matter how sick the recovery (says he'll do a highchair scrape but loses it and ends up in a highchair circle) the judges can understand exactly what was supposed to happen and judge / add and subtract points accordingly!
I agree with that. Teach and I spoke on the mobile devices yesterday, to clarify the procedures for this. It is two-fold, because it would also help the announcers and the overall show. Also the rider is held accountable for his run. The only thing that puts me on the fence is that it is no longer "freestyle" at that point. It is pre-planned. But overall, I do agree that the runs should be submitted prior to the run. I asked for that with XSBA but a majority of the riders did not want to do it.
But by calculating a pre-determined degree of difficulty for each run. You can avoid added confusion. But this is why the XSBA had a specific difficulty category. Overall Run 40% which took all elements into consideration including the overall entertainment value, Execution 20% which determined how well each trick was executed, Difficulty 20% which determined how difficult each trick was and how difficult was the overall run, and Variation of Tricks 20% which included 4 categories, with each paying 5 points, including Burn-outs, Wheelies, Endos, and Acrobatics. (1 point for each individual trick, no points for duplicate tricks, to total 20 points or 20% of total score.) In a 3 minute format, very few riders ever actually completed 20 different tricks; Thew, Teach, Dan Jackson, Chauncey, Ronnie Hurst, Mark Lonchar, and Nick Hill (off the top of my head).
The original rules are still up at www.XSBA.com
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by rainman
It is two-fold, because it would also help the announcers and the overall show. Also the rider is held accountable for his run.
Originally Posted by rainman
The only thing that puts me on the fence is that it is no longer "freestyle" at that point. It is pre-planned.
Originally Posted by rainman
But overall, I do agree that the runs should be submitted prior to the run. I asked for that with XSBA but a majority of the riders did not want to do it.
they may be more interested when they are really made to sit down and think about the fact that more organized and skilled runs strung together in a flawless manner (due to being able to spend plenty of time practicing said run in the days and weeks previous to an event) would be much more pleasing to watch from a fans perspective........hence drawing a larger more interested crowd........eventually!
Originally Posted by rainman
But by calculating a pre-determined degree of difficulty for each run. You can avoid added confusion. But this is why the XSBA had a specific difficulty category. Overall Run 40% which took all elements into consideration including the overall entertainment value, Execution 20% which determined how well each trick was executed, Difficulty 20% which determined how difficult each trick was and how difficult was the overall run, and Variation of Tricks 20% which included 4 categories, with each paying 5 points, including Burn-outs, Wheelies, Endos, and Acrobatics. (1 point for each individual trick, no points for duplicate tricks, to total 20 points or 20% of total score.) In a 3 minute format, very few riders ever actually completed 20 different tricks; Thew, Teach, Dan Jackson, Chauncey, Ronnie Hurst, Mark Lonchar, and Nick Hill (off the top of my head).
The original rules are still up at www.XSBA.com
The original rules are still up at www.XSBA.com
i like the idea of all of that but it would make the entire process much more accurate and less confusing...........think about it the rider has only 3 minutes to fit all the abov e mentioned things in..........and a judge is supposed to accuratly "judge all of it on about 5 different categories............especially with the way todays riders are stringing together combos and tricks it would make it much less compliocated to have the judges review the run on paper ahead of time and say "ok as long as he follows his run he covers all the tricks necessary " if he fails to follow his run he loses points ..........point blank.........
it also takes the complication of the difficulty factor out of it........all tricks can be rated on the individuals run sheets ahead of time with a difficulty factor..........therefore the judge now only has to do 2 things...........make sure said rider follows his run to a tee.......and to make sure the rider does so without makin mistakes the rest is left to just punching numbers at the end of the event ....... for example dan jackson turns in a run with 20 tricks.........before the event the judges read what his run is (and keep that run sheet to follow along during his run)..........on that sheet it is noted say in multipliers of 1-5 the degree of difficulty per trick and or per combo (going from a sit down to a spreader to a highchair wheelie would have a combo multiplier higher than just goin from a sit down to a spreader for example)....there for all the judge has to do now is rate the overall run on a scale based on execution/staying within the planned run......on a certain scale, then rate how each trick was performed individually and how well each combo was strung together...........then at the end of the event said judges turn over their score sheets to someone else who computes the scores and multipliers and comes up with an overall score!
i could go on forever and if anything is unclear ask and ill explain but i think this system could possibly work weel and be more accuratly judged!
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Careful... people are going to think that we agree on something. That in itself will stir controversy.
Also be careful of the fact that your posts are starting to get as long as mine. We may need to let this sit for a few days... everyone's head will start spinning with all of this talk of organization.
Good ideas. Please feel free to e-mail me directly with your ideas and we will sit down and review everything.
BTW... there is normally one judge per category, vs 5 judges judging all categories.
Good ideas... keep them coming.
Also be careful of the fact that your posts are starting to get as long as mine. We may need to let this sit for a few days... everyone's head will start spinning with all of this talk of organization.
Good ideas. Please feel free to e-mail me directly with your ideas and we will sit down and review everything.
BTW... there is normally one judge per category, vs 5 judges judging all categories.
Good ideas... keep them coming.
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by rainman
Careful... people are going to think that we agree on something. That in itself will stir controversy.
Also be careful of the fact that your posts are starting to get as long as mine. We may need to let this sit for a few days... everyone's head will start spinning with all of this talk of organization.
Good ideas. Please feel free to e-mail me directly with your ideas and we will sit down and review everything.
BTW... there is normally one judge per category, vs 5 judges judging all categories.
Good ideas... keep them coming.
Also be careful of the fact that your posts are starting to get as long as mine. We may need to let this sit for a few days... everyone's head will start spinning with all of this talk of organization.
Good ideas. Please feel free to e-mail me directly with your ideas and we will sit down and review everything.
BTW... there is normally one judge per category, vs 5 judges judging all categories.
Good ideas... keep them coming.
yer f'in sunk if people think we think alike..........i on the other hand.........ah *** it rodger doesnt like me anyways!
the email thing...........u bet........i usually just get on a role here and start spewin poop though lol
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From: nor cal
Re: what makes a pro rider?
good **** cleveland you took everything out of my head and i havnt even spoke to you in a hot minute. seeing hows were all almost on the same page things should someday come together.
best part about it is that scott pretty much typed everything that i wanted to but was entirely to long to do.
lata,
mike
best part about it is that scott pretty much typed everything that i wanted to but was entirely to long to do.
lata,
mike
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Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by sclevela
i like the idea of all of that but it would make the entire process much more accurate and less confusing...........think about it the rider has only 3 minutes to fit all the abov e mentioned things in..........and a judge is supposed to accuratly "judge all of it on about 5 different categories............especially with the way todays riders are stringing together combos and tricks it would make it much less compliocated to have the judges review the run on paper ahead of time and say "ok as long as he follows his run he covers all the tricks necessary " if he fails to follow his run he loses points ..........point blank.........
it also takes the complication of the difficulty factor out of it........all tricks can be rated on the individuals run sheets ahead of time with a difficulty factor..........therefore the judge now only has to do 2 things...........make sure said rider follows his run to a tee.......and to make sure the rider does so without makin mistakes the rest is left to just punching numbers at the end of the event ....... for example dan jackson turns in a run with 20 tricks.........before the event the judges read what his run is (and keep that run sheet to follow along during his run)..........on that sheet it is noted say in multipliers of 1-5 the degree of difficulty per trick and or per combo (going from a sit down to a spreader to a highchair wheelie would have a combo multiplier higher than just goin from a sit down to a spreader for example)....there for all the judge has to do now is rate the overall run on a scale based on execution/staying within the planned run......on a certain scale, then rate how each trick was performed individually and how well each combo was strung together...........then at the end of the event said judges turn over their score sheets to someone else who computes the scores and multipliers and comes up with an overall score!
i could go on forever and if anything is unclear ask and ill explain but i think this system could possibly work weel and be more accuratly judged!
it also takes the complication of the difficulty factor out of it........all tricks can be rated on the individuals run sheets ahead of time with a difficulty factor..........therefore the judge now only has to do 2 things...........make sure said rider follows his run to a tee.......and to make sure the rider does so without makin mistakes the rest is left to just punching numbers at the end of the event ....... for example dan jackson turns in a run with 20 tricks.........before the event the judges read what his run is (and keep that run sheet to follow along during his run)..........on that sheet it is noted say in multipliers of 1-5 the degree of difficulty per trick and or per combo (going from a sit down to a spreader to a highchair wheelie would have a combo multiplier higher than just goin from a sit down to a spreader for example)....there for all the judge has to do now is rate the overall run on a scale based on execution/staying within the planned run......on a certain scale, then rate how each trick was performed individually and how well each combo was strung together...........then at the end of the event said judges turn over their score sheets to someone else who computes the scores and multipliers and comes up with an overall score!
i could go on forever and if anything is unclear ask and ill explain but i think this system could possibly work weel and be more accuratly judged!
you could even have two rounds a tally both for overall score.
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From: Brian "B.S." Steeves is from SAN DIEGO, CA.
Re: what makes a pro rider?
Originally Posted by Kaneone
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pro means more than just getting paid to do what you do. according to websters dictionary pro is defined as a person who relies on (insert profession here) for soul income.
kane
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pro means more than just getting paid to do what you do. according to websters dictionary pro is defined as a person who relies on (insert profession here) for soul income.
kane
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