I used to do this on my Civic all the time when I used to solo race(clutchless downshifting anyway), and I tried this on my bike and it didn't seem to affect it in anyway. Is this bad? I never had a problem with my civic except for the synchros inbetween 1st and 2nd, but thats a common problem with honda's, and it did it before I used to rag on it. On that note, is that a common thing with Honda bikes, or bikes in general? I noticed that every now and then when I come to a stop in neutral(or come to a stop and then put it in neutral), I have to roll the bike either forward or backward to get it to shift into 1st, or shift into second and then back to first. This is the same thing that happens on my civic, and various other honda's I work on(cars, particularly older honda's).

Eric

P.S. The reason I'm asking is that its easier to shift like this when I'm up in a wheelie and hold it steady.

 

i hardly ever use the clutch upshifting...downshifting without the clutch is not recommended, although it is really not a problem...in racing, if you are using the clutch, you are losing time

 

What the teacher said.^^^^^^

 

??? are you for real man? I mean.. I guess that cool and all but damn, hardly ever? I used to beat the **** outta my motocross bikes only using the clutch for power and not for shifting but then again I was running like 80w/85 oil and changing it every race practically! Personally I shift every now and then without the clutch but its rare, I feel the tranny gets enough abuse stunting and doesnt need additional stress! my

 

if you do it right, there is NO stress on the tranny...blipping the throttle while upshifting is how you do it...

i do it on the downshifts too, but it is harder to get the revs right...

 

I can do it either way(upshift or downshift), but I only really do it when I'm up in a wheelie. Well, thanks guys! I appreciate it. One less part I have to worry about breaking!

 

when do you know its the right time to shift? basically you just close throttle, up shift & then get back on the throttle?

 

Just like any other time you know when to shift. But instead of using the clutch position your foot to “preload” the shift lever. Roll off the throttle and at the same time put more pressure on the shift lever just like normal and it snicks right into gear, then back on the gas. Shiftless upshifts, when done correctly, are clean and put less stress on your shift dogs etc. If you have the motor on the boil (where it should be) the tranny gears usually have so much pressure on them that without rolling off of the throttle it is extremely hard to shift if not impossible with out rolling off throttle.

Back shifting without clutching can be done but requires more skill in addition you can modulate the clutch and use it as a poor mans slipper clutch. This helps reduce/eliminate rear wheel hop/chatter when back shifting aggressively.

 

When you're workin the wheelie you want to push it almost a little past the balence point to shift, first preload the shifter, then get that f***er as high as possible and blip the throtle, it will kick into the next gear, get right back on the gas and hold her up. This equals some sick high speed wheelies. Your don't want to be too high in the rev range or too low, too low= no power in the next gear too high= missed shifts !!!!! Practice clutchless shifts before your up on one!!!

 

i never used the clutch to shift on my 954 and i got 27000 milens no prob but thats just my

 

i do it all the time cuz im usually riding one handed in traffic and doesnt hurt my bike at all..

 

i heard that if you do it wrong though it can put stress on the shift star and bend it
whatever that is

 

use the clutch u lazy asses

 

+1

 

when i ride mx on my kfx i never use the clutch...for anything. like teach said...if your using the clutch...your losing time.

 

but tim ... your slow .....

ohhhhhhh caps on

 

intresting... so trans. doesnt get that much damage if you forget to sip the clutch?

i've never shifted without using the clutch any type of shift up or down.
same thing with car never done it. weird i'd rather try on a strangers car thenmy bike hahah

 

some cars dont like it
bikes all love it going up the box downs ok if theres no stress/torqe/brake
i reckon i clutch it thro the box at about 30% of the time