(A) Don't be a ***** and walk into the middle of this conversation calling people ********. (B) I never ONCE said I don't like guns. I like shooting guns, I like going into the mountains and mowing down a tree with a shotgun. So again, don't be a ***** and now assume. Finally, (C) Get your facts straight before you start talking. Read this: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...guns_0128.html
MANY fully automatic weapons are BOUGHT AND TRANSPORTED LEGALLY to the U.S. through Federally Licensed organizations. Many of these weapons, as stated in the article, are at one point very ILLEGAL in the U.S. but after adding very minor changes to these weapons using U.S. parts they are now legal.

So Joe, finally... you want to debate... debate! Don't come in here calling out others ********.

 

You ASSUME wwwwaaaayyyyy to much. Just b/c my dad WAS a cop and ex-military doesn't mean I think the same as he does. Besides, he FULLY supports home owners owning sidearms. He has ZERO quams with any red blooded American owning a pistol, rifle or shotgun. As long as you are responsible and have a half way decent head on your shoulders, he firmly believes you can teach that person how to use a gun effectively and responsibly.

And again, the Liberal tree huggin bullshit? Where do you get that **** from? I consider myself more democrat than anything, except I don't like throwing money at problems. Finally, I do feel safer when there are laws. When you walk into a night club or bar, and you notice the guys at the door are frisking people for guns... you feel a bit safer inside don't you? I'm not saying it's 100% positive a gun won't make it's way inside, but it's a safe bet that over 95% of the people in there don't have a gun. So yea, I feel safer (at times) when certain laws are enforced. If you don't feel the same way, then that my friend would be Hippie Tree Huggin' 1970's War Protesting Anti-Government Liberal ****!

 

Come on, Farley, that's horseshit and you know that.
Importers are supposed to take care of guns in order to have them lawful to sell.
This may consist, in case of an Ak, in modifications for semi-auto fire, limited capacity magazine, and if they're intended for California,
God only knows how many other modifications.
All of this is carried on LEGALLY,
then they're sold to a federally licensed dealer, and then...

would you charge the importer for someone having sold that gun through a classified ad, or having burglarized the gun store?

Besides, i HATE that kind of gossip-like journalists.
they're the EXACT SAME as the others screaming "170+ HP bikes by the streets have already killed people, would we just stand and watch??"

 

How is it horseshit? If these arms weren't being sold in the first place to civilians there would be NO reason to import these into the U.S. in the first place. Other than for Military use and for the police departments. That article was VERY clear on stating that weapons are bought LEGALLY, sold LEGALLY and still end up in the wrong hands. Do you think ALL gang members have felony records? Do you think that arms dealers aren't making money off of this? It's an underground business that the BATF can't control b/c for every 1 gun that is taken probably another 5 is sold illegally. If these guns were not imported period, we would not be arguing this problem.

Besides (A) you don't even live in the U.S. so what do you care if they take away every right we have and (B) you are ok with your neighbor down the street who YOU KNOW has anger/drinking problem but b/c he is a perfectly clean person with NO criminal record and owns 2 AR-15's and an AK-47? You are OK with this?

B/c for me... I'm not ok with this! I don't want the people I live around, the place where my 3-8 year old nieces run and play, the place I grew up for 20+ years having these types of weapons at their dispose. Is having a handgun any better when it's in the wrong hands, absolutely NOT. Difference is, a handgun is not an assault rifle, it does not carry clips with 25+ bullets that fires a full clip in 3-6 seconds and does not having the same killing capacity as a fully auto rifle. That's like comparing a tank to a rocket launcher. Both are lethal, but one is insanely more powerful!

 

Read the article, are you saying that guy just made that **** up? No, he did his homework just as I have. I'm not making false claims... go search for yourself on Google and where ever else. It's been a proven problem that LEGAL guns are being sold ILLEGALLY and falling into the wrong hands. IE: "Trunks of gang members". And you are right, Federally Licenses Fire Arm Importers are "SUPPOSED" to take care of guns, but just like anything else... once it leaves there hands they pat the table, clap their hands and they are free of responsibility. What happens after that on a more micro level is not their problem.

 

all i keep hearing is bla bla bla im a dirty liberal and wanna take your rights as an american away. move to france or something. you'll have more supporters

 

That statement right there proves you have ZERO intelligent backing on this debate and your input has meant **** thus far. Now when you get an education above 5th grade, come back and try again. Have a nice day!

 

He'll have a countryful of supporters if he moves Here.
Did you know that either a Remington New Army and Navy 1858 ( the "Beals" )
is considered a "proper sidearm"? you need a license for that, jeez..

no you're right, sorry for being interested in your country

 

Well, it's nice to see that someone across the waters has a genuine interest in our country and isn't all about bashing us all the time. Everytime I get on here and see posts from people outside of the U.S., it seems we are always getting bashed for being this big horrible country.

 

theres no sense in breaking out the big guns with you. i can spout off facts for days and try and prove my point. and for what? so you can resort back to what your pig daddy taught you as a kid? I'd rather not waste my time. Instead ill run down to scottsdale gun club and look at all the nice class 3 fully automatic weapons for sale. take care liberal buddy

 

You too, can't wait until you get shot by one someday. PS... you are on a stunt forum, and you have a TL1000R? You debate and talk **** probably as good as you stunt. ****** garbage!

And BTW, I'd give a $1000 to walk upto my dad and call him a pig. 50+ year old man and he'd tear you apart like a pit bull.

 

What I see in any american citizen, is basically a grown-up kid with innocent eyes and a very straight way of thinking.
Ingenuous people, you all have
very little in common with any of your political leaders.
That's why one can like american people, thus distrust their leaders.
I don't really think
that anybody from the right side of the world could hate you:
some may envy you, sure:
But that's the price to pay for being a free country, in wich the sky is the limit.

 

Well I have been taking you all wrong this whole time thinking you were a big ******* ripping on Americans. I'll be the first to apologize for that!

~> GTS <~ Farley

 

actually i had a tlr. i have an 05 gsxr 750 stunt bike and an 03 gixxer 1k.

i would have no prob calling your dad a pig. And you say i assume alot? lol you have no idea kid

 

We know, but that wasn't the point.
The point was wheter you'd walk away on your feet or not.

 

 

Hey farley, how many people have been killed because a motorcycle hit them going to fast? More then you think.

Lets ban them.

Hey farley, how many people have died while intoxicated?

Lets ban all substances, including alcohol.

Hey farley, how many people have died from overdoses on over the counter drugs doing **** like robotripping?

Lets ban all over the counter drugs.

Hey farley, how many stabbings have their been?

Lets ban knives.

Hey farley, how many people have died from falling off ladders?

Lets ban ladders.



Point is people kill people, not guns. If someones going to kill someone, their going to do it regardless of what they use.. Taking away things from law abiding good citizens who use it for recreation won't do ****, as those who want to do the illegal **** will go through illegal means. If you can't comprehend that go back to first grade. As far as it being automatic, who cares? Lets limit all motorcycles to 55 mph or less, and no more then 25 hp. If I want to put 10 bullets in you, trust me, I can do it with a bolt action too. 1 bullet is all it takes to kill someone, dead is dead and no fully auto will make a person any more dead. There has been 1 single instance where full autos played a big role in how something turned out, and thats the bank of america robbery. But I can guarantee those guns were NOT in the robbers names.

Go on ANY gun forum, and you will see almost ALL gun enthusiasts will belittle any person on their who goes about their hobby illegally. Those are gun owners. Theirs people who are gun owners, and theirs people who own guns but not for the sport.

You trying to take away our right to own guns, is a big reason why we own guns.

-Max

 

Btw, I'm not trying to come at you, but I get a little pissed when someone's beliefs are trying to take away what helps me be happy with being who I am and what I do. There is no reason why I shouldnt be aloud to have harmless fun, even if it's with a fully auto gun.

-Max.

 

You have fun banging your girlfriend. You have fun stunting. You have fun drinking at the bar.

Guns aren't toys. And you are not getting at all what I'm saying obviously so at this point if you are THAT dense and you can't see what I'm trying to say then WHATEVER. For every person on here that compares motorcycles, drinking, smoking, etc etc to Fully Auto Guns, you are a retard. Motorcycles are not built to kill people, or for self defense. Alcohol was not created so people could get drunk and drive cars.

Point is... fully auto weapons are not designed to be a toy, or to have fun with. They flat out kill people. There is not other use for a gun like that, NO OTHER USE. And I think people are getting a little of track here... I NEVER ONCE HAVE EVER SAID PEOPLE CANNOT OWN GUNS!!! I support anyone that has completed all of the proper training courses to own a handgun, shotgun, rifle, six shooter, WHATEVER! Just NOT a fully automatic rifle. AR-15's and AK-47's are NOT built for sport, or hunting, or target practice... they are built to kill and every year more and more fall into the wrong hands.

If you are seriously that naive about the damage a gun like this one, ***NOT LIKE A HANDGUN OR SHOTGUN*** but like a FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFLE then you my friend need to open your eyes and see the real world. B/c someone has pulled the sheets right over your head and you need to wake the **** up! Reality is, (A) people are GREEDY and there is a lot of money to be made off of guns like this and (B) people should NOT have a weapon of this caliber. This is a type of weapon that only military and police should have.

PERIOD!

 

And if anyone thinks that I think it's ok for the government to take away peoples rights, they can kiss my ***. This is the best country in the world and we have every god given right to do what we want with our god given talents. But what I firmly believe in is limitations and there should be a limit to what the general population should have access to. And guns like this should be limited to military and police. FLAT OUT, nothing else.