Hey I'm learning first gear stand ups but i haven't actually found the BP yet but I'm working on it. Everyone says learn 2nd first and then 1st gear, However I'm doing it the opposite way and learning 1st first but for some reason I can't bring it up in 2nd at all. I'm clutching and giving what I think is a ton of gas and Nothing. I'm just wondering how everyone else does there 2nd gear stand ups and what is it about 2nd that makes them so much smoother or easier to learn than first?? Do you give it about the same amount of gas as you do in first clutching it up?? I've heard about the combination of bouncing and clutching in 2nd but I have a hard time giving it almost full throttle in second and clutching it! Gotta feeling I'll loop it if I do it like that. I ride an 02 .750 so anyone with the same bike or just general advice from any/everyone is highly appreciated.

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I ride a 954 so it's not the same but I give it way more gas than clutching 1st. I learned 2nd gear standups power bouncing them first but first gear is more twitchy because of the lower gearing. The bike has more torque to the rear tire so the throttle inputs have a greater effect both for power and compression when you let off. (It goes up and down faster with throttle inputs). Second gear has less power at the rear wheel so you don't need to be as smooth with the throttle as in first.

If you learn to BP first gear standing you will have an easy transition to second. It is easier than first and as soon as you get over the big speed difference you'll be rocking second in a day :YEAH

Don't be afraid of the clutch in second. You have to get a lot more aggressive than first. Just work up slowly with more throttle and more RPM until it starts coming up where you want it. I just dip the clutch in first with about 1/3 throttle but second I'm about 3/4 open with the gas and I clutch it for quite a bit longer and let the revs build audibly quite a bit.

Don't let off the gas until it comes up! That's the usual mistake when you're scared of looping. You're letting off as you dump the clutch and the inertia of the motor won't do anything without power being applied when the clutch is released. Try holding your throttle steady with power on as the clutch comes out and don't let off until it's up or it's obvious it's not coming up.

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Hell yeah that was good advise for me! thanks!

 

Ya,,,RRMike is the shiat

 

I was wondering the same thing... I have an R6 so it's a little less power. I was out trying them (mostly sitdown) and they would pop up nicely but wouldn't come up more than a foot and a half. Do I need to dump the clutch and keep giving it more gas or can I hold the RPMs at the same and hold it up? Or do I have to be at BP for that? I only tried standing once because the first time I tried it I had my left foot on the passenger peg and when it came up it dove to the left real bad and wobbled. Guess I was pushing with my leg and didn't realize it. But it scared me too much to try it again. So, to break it all down. Does anyone have a suggested recipe for doing standups on an R6, and can I just keep both feet on the regular pegs and maybe bounce it a bit? Thanks in advance!

I'm VERY new to this so anything helps! Also, can anyone bitch to the admin for me so I can get fully registered? I hate highjacking threads like this but I still haven't gotten my registration email!

 

Yo Road stain, Alls you gotta do is read rrmike's reply. It's pretty much the basic theory of pulling any bike up. You just find the combonation of clutch and throttle that fits your bike. Keep practicing and once you get it practice some more.

 

I have a question about this. For me in second gear I can dump the clutch at redline standing and barely get a hop. I've been trying to bounce at the same time with little luck?

How should I go about doing this? Right now I go full throttle at around 40mph, bounce it as best I can, and slip the clutch at the same time, is there a better method or do I just need practice?

 

as for me, i didnt even like doing 1st gear standups on my F3, i dont think i would even try it on a 750. Just got a 954, but ive been powering in 2nd, with no bounce, and i did the same on my friends gixxer 750. Thats just me though, the way i see it is if you can power or clutch it up without bouncing it, thats just one less thing to think about. By the way kung fu and rrmike, i love this 954

 

I ride a 600rr with stock gearing and am finding that everything has to be perfect with me if I have a full tank of gas. I am also only 150 lbs

In second sitting down I sit with my ***** about an inch and a half away from the tank and ride at about 9500rpm (keeping a steady speed) then pull in the clutch and give it some throttle and slip the clutch out and as I am slipping it out I give it full throttle until the front tire is off the ground.While this is going on I kinna arch my back to put more weight reward, but still be able to grip the tank with my legs. As it gets higher I give it less gas until it comes up to bp. Where I normally just go in and out of bp cuz I'm still a pu$$y. method work for me both on a 03 600 rr as well as a 01gsx-r 600 and a 02 r6.

In second standing up.
I always put my left foot on the rear peg. It can be done other ways but this is the only way I have ever learnt or tried.
I start by going at the same rpm as a sitdown. My knees are slightly bent.
Everything else is the same as a sit down. Only I find that I can bring the bike up much easier and faster as there is more weight biased towards the rear. I feel alot more in control and comfortable as I can see infront of me better.

But I honestly prefer to bounce it up standing in second and third. The only time I like to use the clutch is in 1st or 4th and sumtimes sitdowns in 2nd. But I do not like sitdowns in 2nd that much anyway.

When I first got my bike I told my self there is no way in hell the bike can be clutched up in second. I would ride at varying speeds and pull the clutch in redline it and drop the clutch and could never get anything more than a inch. Its all about being smooth and having some timeing. But don't pay attention to your speed, or a speed you get told to try things. Watch or listen to your rpms as speed varys greatly on stock or geared bikes as well as bike to bike.

Oh btw always cover the rear brake while bringing it up in 1st or 2nd, I just don't keep covering it once I'm up. It wears out pads at those speeds and engine braking will bring me back down. But a little brake will do alot of magic so if in doubt cover the rear brake.

If your scared of looping it go in first and clutch it up at about 35mph but before it gets high hit the brake learn some brake control and learn to understand that your brake will save your *** and as long as your covering it you won't loop. Well most likely not. All this I would only use for a 6hun as I have never stunted anything else so I dunno how much would change as far as rpms and the such.

Wow what a novel. Reading over that I almost sound like I know what I am doing. But I am still a newb so others don't take that as gold or the only way to do it.
Wow what a novel

 

Thanks for the help! I'm gonna go out and try bouncing and powering combo's today. See if they work any better than clutching it up. I think the bike has more than enough power. The 04 R6 is one of the highest powered 600cc's that I know of. So hopefully that will help We'll see what I come up with. Thanks again

One quick question. I'm trying to install my frame sliders. But I don't have the tool to take out the bolt in the subframe that they go into. Does anybody know how big that allen wrench is by any chance?? thanks in advance

 

Yes...put your left foot on the rear peg...go about 30 mph, wack the clutch, rev it up a little, and put your weight on that rear peg. Once you get this down, you will never know why you didn't figure it out before. do those things in the same order too
1. disengage clutch
2. rev up
3.engage clutch and at the same time, shift your weight back.
4. stay in gas until it comes to desired height

 

Just for future refs. FHL, You dont have to redline to wheelie.

 

the way i learned to do 'em was first gear i started with power wheelies but then tried clutched ones, at first they we're scary but then i loved it.
also i learned 1st gear wheelies first and i got good at them.
then i tried sencond gear and it would not come up for the life of me,
then everyone was saying clutch it higher, and i was but i wasn't keeping the gas on. once i left the gas on it was up everytime.
i got pretty good at 1st and 2nd gear sitdown.
as for standup i go staggered left foot back and clutch it in second.
i still haven't got balance point down. i get to it and puss out and put it back down. but then again i haven't been practicing much lately.
definelty learn in first, now all i've been doing is second gear and everytime i try first gear its too twitchy.
but go easy and give yourself time to learn.
don't be like my roomate and loop your bike twice in one year.

 

on my f2 i graduall started powering up sitdowns in 1st. when i got comfortable with the front wheel getting up pretty high i started clutching sitdowns in 2nd.

now i can clutch sitdowns and standups in 2nd

i stand on front pegs, get up to between 5-6k (35mph), bounce, rev, release clutch and it comes up pretty hight and i usually ride it out

it's weird tho, some days i can only do standups and other days only sitdowns. like yesterday i could rock standups all day, but couldn't get it up sittying down. weird gotta practice more and get to BP

 

im with wuduhel. Just bounce that ****. I only use one bounce cause two seems to throw me off. what i do is get it going to about 5-6 k in 2nd ( im on an f4i) let off the throttle and bounce clutch and gas at the same time. It is weird the days you can rock nice standups and the days you cant. But practice makes perfect and be safe out there fellas..

 

lean back, thats it

 

Another way you can get used to the front wheel getting off the ground and holding it there, Get into 2nd gear. I have a 900RR and when I get to around 6 grand I put my knees up on the driver seat. Nowjust yank that throttle. It will power up like nothing. This can also be easier when you're not good at balancing left to right. Your knees against the passenger seat will keep your body centered. Try it this way and you will learn to hold 2nd gear wheelies.