i'd think that will be harder on you in all reality

its called brake reflex....you get into the habit so you never have to worry about looping and when you DO get it up to bp you already are used to using the brake

 

is that how that works, thanks for clearing that up

 

If you have the money do yourself a favor and buy a stunted out 50, ride it at least a couple hours a day for a week or two, then you will know all about brake control.

even if you cant afford to keep it and sell it after a couple weeks, what it will teach you will be worth its weight in gold

 

Doesn't seem like a bad idea!

 

+1 i have no experience with that but all of az's finest has told me the same thing so i'm sure they know what they're talking about.

oh and i wasn't trying to undermine what you said bro just making another valid point and a tip that has helped me tremendously.

 

50's are golden, when i started out it seemed like it took me forever to progress. So I bought a 50 and practiced on it instead of my r6 for a little under two weeks.

by the time i was done i could go from corner to corner in a square all the way around this big as square lot, about a little smaller than a football field. I could slow it down to a crawl, turn in both directions, it taught me side to side balance and using body weight, sitdowns, and i could do 1 or 2 wide staggard circles. i didnt really mess with anything else I just wanted the break control.

then i hoped back on my r6, 50 and sportbike wheelies arent exactly alike but similar in ways, but the break control was there. I didnt even have to think about it, my foot would just do it.

i kept the 50 for about another month but didnt really ride it that much, so i sold it for what i had in it. I highly recommend a 50

and i was just joking around with you crash, i know you didnt mean anything

 

I heard a good tip today that i really am going to use when achieving BP, and that is when you achieve BP, it isn't like flipping a light switch and you loop the bike a little bit past bp, so it isn't wheelie----almost---BP|crash

 

this is true

 

so what your saying is... there is still room after you acheive BP. BP doesnt mean loop? lol ok thats a good tip i might think about that next time im out.

 

yeah bro there's about another 6 inches before you scrape. that's at lot speed.....the faster your going the lower bp is BUT the more it hurts when you go down.

 

People always say straighten your arms, and I still don't see why


When I straighten my arms, I'm hanging off the bike, hanging on with all my might, just trying to hold the wheelie for a while..



Whereas if I just stand straight up, bend my arms, bring the bars to my chest, I can hold it up for 5+ miles no problem



and yes balance point doesn't mean loop. You can go WAY past balance point before you loop.. ACtually at speed, balance point is pretty damn low..

Now a coasters balance point, that is getting close to the tail, but still got a lil ways to go

 

I m in the same place u are man, but i m more and more comfortable with my wheelies, my problem with stand ups is that i dont have a throttle feel while standing VS sitting where i feel like i have referance point, i m not there yet, but i m putting more weight on the pegs than on the seat , and i m standing when the bike does, but like the guys say, practice, 2 weeks ago i could barelly pop it up, now i m nearly standing.

 

crash you usin stock sprocket or what size?

 

yeah buddy gangsta style.

 

haha word

 

why do you ask?

 

im on stock also im getting really comfortable chasing bp... time to step it up and just go for it i guess...

 

just keep practicing and don't re-gear tell you can rock idle!


It wont help you at all until you can control the bike perfectly

 

learned to clutch it up sitting down. once i got the timing down and the learned the concept of clutchin a wheelie, started doin staggered and within a couple days I was scraping.

 

you learn on stock gearing?