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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 04:38 PM
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anyone can give a description as to when you hit your bp? At times when I bring it up slippin the clutch it shoots up higher than normal, When it does i back off the throttle and it comes down. When this occurs, I don't know if I"m going to far back or not.

On the other hand when it comes up smooth to where I'm comfortable, I just give it more gas to keep it up a lil longer. (the pic of me is where it's comfortable and it rides a lil ways)

Over all I'm asking what would be the next step as to getting the wheelie to stay up?
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umm go a little higher.........

i know that sounds like a smart *** reply but it's the truth ,you just keep going a little higher untill the bike will stay up with out accelerating if you can maintain a speed in a wheelie then you have found the balance point for that speed......
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oh yea and if you feel like your gonna go over backwards hit the rear break
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 04:50 PM
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Re: finding balance point

Originally Posted by zuki05
anyone can give a description as to when you hit your bp? At times when I bring it up slippin the clutch it shoots up higher than normal, When it does i back off the throttle and it comes down. When this occurs, I don't know if I"m going to far back or not.

On the other hand when it comes up smooth to where I'm comfortable, I just give it more gas to keep it up a lil longer. (the pic of me is where it's comfortable and it rides a lil ways)

Over all I'm asking what would be the next step as to getting the wheelie to stay up?
that bike is to minty to learn balance point on.. no where close to it on your pic.. it takes a lot of hard work to learn..
i would strip your fairings and get a cage & 12 bar if your trying to learn.. when you hit bp the bike feels like its floating and your natural reaction is to bail.. it took me a couple times dropping my bike to learn.. dont think you will be that special person that can to it without crashing.. you will end up messing up a minty bike

good luck
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Re: finding balance point

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oh yea and if you feel like your gonna go over backwards hit the rear break
nice one!
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 04:55 PM
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Re: finding balance point

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umm go a little higher.........

i know that sounds like a smart *** reply but it's the truth ,you just keep going a little higher untill the bike will stay up with out accelerating if you can maintain a speed in a wheelie then you have found the balance point for that speed......
nah, i don't get affended, i'm hear to learn lol. i'll try tonight when we go out and work my way up. now i understand what the balance point is about. matching the wheelie to the speed. the reason why i ask about the bp is cause some riders i hear they bike giving it throttle every other sec keeping it up. others it's just a straight stream like they throttle hand is not moving. to give more gas.
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that bike is to minty to learn balance point on.. no where close to it on your pic.. it takes a lot of hard work to learn..
i would strip your fairings and get a cage & 12 bar if your trying to learn.. when you hit bp the bike feels like its floating and your natural reaction is to bail.. it took me a couple times dropping my bike to learn.. dont think you will be that special person that can to it without crashing.. you will end up messing up a minty bike

good luck
thx man, this site is the best i sware. none of these guys in louisville,ky will care if you wreck or not just for the fact they can do it. i've asked when they are down there and they just look at you like your in the way for them to do a trick.
as far as bailing? i don't care how far back that bike goes i'm not letting go, i rather try hitting the rear brake and letting off the throttle, but that bike is my wife! if she go down i'm going down lol....well...only if it's not going fast or i'll divorce it.
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nah, i don't get affended, i'm hear to learn lol. i'll try tonight when we go out and work my way up. now i understand what the balance point is about. matching the wheelie to the speed. the reason why i ask about the bp is cause some riders i hear they bike giving it throttle every other sec keeping it up. others it's just a straight stream like they throttle hand is not moving. to give more gas.

if you are standing back and watching some one with good throttle control it will look like they are not using the throttle but in fact they are just making the corrections so soon that it doesn't take alot of throttle movement ,the sooner you make the correction the less of a correction is needed and that makes it look smooth ..

if you wait to make a correction it will take more of a correction and that is what gives the choppy look
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Re: finding balance point

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thx man, this site is the best i sware. none of these guys in louisville,ky will care if you wreck or not just for the fact they can do it. i've asked when they are down there and they just look at you like your in the way for them to do a trick.
as far as bailing? i don't care how far back that bike goes i'm not letting go, i rather try hitting the rear brake and letting off the throttle, but that bike is my wife! if she go down i'm going down lol....well...only if it's not going fast or i'll divorce it.

this is when i first started...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JMiCs9xQpk


this is where i am now..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYSAxfGTIAQ



i uste to say the same **** u did and this happen 2 my bike..

http://a464.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...5f61b03e27.jpg

keep it slow if your trying to learn bp
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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Re: finding balance point

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this is when i first started...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JMiCs9xQpk


this is where i am now..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYSAxfGTIAQ



i uste to say the same **** u did and this happen 2 my bike..

http://a464.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...5f61b03e27.jpg

keep it slow if your trying to learn bp
man i'm glad your ok, them vids just reality check me! i'll do as you and roger has said. yeah i'll take my time, this noob don't wanna rush, respecting the seniority riders as where they are today and the fact they were in my shoes once upon a time.
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Re: finding balance point

Originally Posted by old man roger
if you are standing back and watching some one with good throttle control it will look like they are not using the throttle but in fact they are just making the corrections so soon that it doesn't take alot of throttle movement ,the sooner you make the correction the less of a correction is needed and that makes it look smooth ..

if you wait to make a correction it will take more of a correction and that is what gives the choppy look
thanks for reading and helping me very much. i wish my friend could have went to this site like i told him to . brand new 2007 cbr 600 flipped all the way back trying a wheelie. not even a 1st payment and it's in the garage!
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Re: finding balance point

Originally Posted by zuki05
thx man, this site is the best i sware. none of these guys in louisville,ky will care if you wreck or not just for the fact they can do it. i've asked when they are down there and they just look at you like your in the way for them to do a trick.
who are you talking about... there is only 3 stunters around here... me being one of them, and the other 2 being my friends...... if it was us sorry we dont have time to give everyone who wants to do a wheelie a detailed description on how to do a wheelie when were trying to ride

you want to learn hit me up tomorrow, and come to our spot... i dont ride streets anymore
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ohhh yeah www.louisvilleriders.com
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who are you talking about... there is only 3 stunters around here... me being one of them, and the other 2 being my friends...... if it was us sorry we dont have time to give everyone who wants to do a wheelie a detailed description on how to do a wheelie when were trying to ride

you want to learn hit me up tomorrow, and come to our spot... i dont ride streets anymore
Not really pointing fingers at anyone, It's just from seeing them at the spot when they are racing.
Old Oct 6, 2007 | 08:39 AM
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Not really pointing fingers at anyone, It's just from seeing them at the spot when they are racing.
like i said.... you know how many ppl come up to you wanting to know how to do a wheelie after seeing you do them @ the spot??? and it's not really something you can just tell someone how to do real quick.... if we did you'd go out and flip your bike, then think we were dicks, and told you how to do it wrong.

TRIAL/ERROR, and VIDEO is the only way to learn. if you seriously wana learn... come to OUR SPOT, not crappy *** 13th st
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Well Look who it is Anthony, man you never asked me how to wheelie and I reach BP on my bike just fine. Like everyone else said it's all about trial/error, let's hope you don't get to the error part, but when you hit BP, like the previous poster said it's all about corrections and throttle control. Hey Louisvillerider, you must be Paul, right?
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Hey Louisvillerider, you must be Paul, right?
ofcourse who r u?

not busting your *****, but hopefully your BP wheelies are higher than your avatar, cause thats not BP quite yet (best way to judge BP is the forks. straight, or damn near straight is BP. take pics, and see where your forks are @) i used to think i was going to loop when i 1st started, then id see a pic or video, and be like "damn i had a ways to go" lol

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you ******* should hit the spot today..... call me up if you need directions (we arent riding in the same place we used to)
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Originally Posted by louisvillerider
ofcourse who r u?

not busting your *****, but hopefully your BP wheelies are higher than your avatar, cause thats not BP quite yet (best way to judge BP is the forks. straight, or damn near straight is BP. take pics, and see where your forks are @) i used to think i was going to loop when i 1st started, then id see a pic or video, and be like "damn i had a ways to go" lol
Haha man I know your not, I expect you to tell me that, I'm more of a in and out of BP guy. I use to ride a 03 Gixxer 600 and I would come down to the spot to watch you guys with David Waters (CBR1000) and Daniel GoLightly (Yamaha YZF 600).

You have to understand that whoever was taking the picture took it just whenever I passed them, other than that still a good wheelie pic. But I know what BP feels like due to riding staggered 2nd Gear Stand-ups. Does your boy with the stunted-out red 636 still stunt?
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Send me a PM on the new spot and ill hit it up



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