Ok you 2. I don't care how it works I just wanted some tips on how to go longer.

 

you are right.

ok for the help now
pick a speed you are ok with not to fast though. put a cone at the take off point. i like to start in the same spot all the time gives me confidence the tire will grip. go the same speed every time. easy into the brakes at first dont just yank on them need to load the front wheel. also helps to throw your weight foward. oh yeah and dont drop your elbows keep them nice and high. now this is the tricky part that no one can quite help you with. steering it a mother ****er to get down you need to push on the bar that the back end is comming around to. so if the back end is drifting left push on the left bar. right on the right bar got it. ok as far as how high you will know when you are to high you will get that oh **** feeling hopefully you let off the brake in time and that wind lol j/k and you come back down. thats all i can help you with other then go and pratice with someone that can roll further then you. watch what they are doing and one more thing pratice pratice pratice. that is all the wisdom i have on stoppies. i went from a 50' stoppie to 400' in a few months over the winter. hope something i said helps

 

exactly, physics 101

 

thanks man, this is really helpfull, I didn't know that and I **** at stoppies - so I might get better

 

some good advice there

something I found when I was concentrating on endo's was that to go further I found myself just starting faster... worked up to a point but then couldnd get further...

then I took it right back and start and went for height from a 1st gear - practicing the basics first again, then building up the speed helped overall.

a real short run up forces me to get it up near BP asap too.

 

baby steps dude...slowly bring it up inch by inch til ur comfy if your smooth on the brake you dont got **** to worry about dude.

 

obviously, but that has nothing to do with wind resistance and its effect on BP

Which is the same as pulling the front brake. It slows you down and also tips the bike forward.

With speed (doing stoppies) you will slow down even if you're right at the balance point because of the wind resistance. There is no way to maintain speed because there is no power going to the front wheel overcome the wind resistance.

 

yes, but you missed the point. We're arguing about the position of the balance point in high speed stuff vs. low speed stuff.

Try this. Ride a slow wheelie at balance point. Bring it back just a little and pull in the clutch. The bike falls back to the 12 bar, right? Now ride a wheelie at 80mph. Bring it back a little bit and pull the clutch. It will fall forward. At higher speeds the difference between the wheelie BP and coaster BP increases because of the increased power it takes just to overcome the wind resistance. I'm sure you have servin in up 2. Watch darius do coasters from mach 2. His bike is in the same position from from start to finish during the coaster.

 

chest, tank and tail catches alot of wind. 75 mph winds hitting all that ABOVE the "pivot" point would cause a "Resistance" ABOVE the pivot point which ='s A Higher Balance point for a limited Time, through out the duration of the stoppie

Maybe it wont "change" the balance point in gravity aspects but in resistance it will give more "lee way" in height.

 

It doesn't matter where the wind resistance is in relation to the pivot point.

 

so your saying that a 20mph stoppie balance point is the same as 100mph stoppie?

im talking about tail hieght. u cant bring a 100mph stoppie higher thena 20 mph stoppie with out flipping?

 

Jason let it go.

 

im not argueing... im just trying to figure out if thats not true? cause i thought wind resistance is the EB in stoppies.

 

yes, (if the wind resistance above and below the center of mass is indeed the same). I don't know how to explain it any better than i have already.

Ok, imagine that speed does raise the balance point for stoppies like it does for wheelies that maintain speed. Balance point for a wheelie is probably 2 feet lower at 80 mph. Now if the balance point was that much higher for a stoppie at 80mph, don't you think that the people who are pushing the limits on stoppies would be getting that much higher at the start? Yet those guys are saying that they are barely on the brake at all during the entire endo, but they never get higher than what they are at near the end of the endo.

 

ok so its same height, just less brake under more wind resistance.

 

still think true BP is higher the faster you go. no one rolls BP stoppies because you cant truly balance a stopie you can only go so close as to use very little brake. try to balance a pencil on the point and you will see it will fall sometimes foward sometimes back. if someone was to try to get it that close they would flip every other time. even if you are on the brakes .000000000000000001% that is enought to keep you from fliping if you let go because you wont be at true BP you would have been slightly under it. go try some experiments and get back to me.

 

well i KNOW that the true BP for stoppies is about the same regardless of speed.

ok, change of topics. I never said that anyone could roll a stoppie at the balance point. You cant hit the true balance point without looping.

 

oops, forgot. You can go past the balance point if you're rolling an endo down a hill.

 

if you think wind has ne effect on balance your an idiot.. Go do a wheelie in a parkinglot and then go do one at 200kph.. Guess what happens when you put it at the same height. You will loop that 200kph soo fast. You can even feel a difference between 180, 200 and 220.. Its night and day.. Seems you parkinglot stunters and your +11 sprockets have forgotten what its like in the wind..

 

+1

on that note im out