O.K. there is alot of talk about how much people should charge for shows, the way i see it is when people are in the learning phase of stunting they don't seem to value themselves and will do shows for free because they don't think they are good enough to charge and they are glad of the exposure fair play or not?
The figure of £500.00 per rider per day has been banded about a bit is this enough or too much?
Would you undercut other stunters to get shows or events i have heard one or two rumours that this happens fair play or not?
So to try and stop the spiral of free shows ect its going to take some kind of agreement on what to charge input from people who do shows will help do it before someone replaces you for free.
This is not a hate thread just a few questions i think we all need to answer and maybe come to an agreement on.

 

I see nothing wrong with free shows but I also think that who ever is riding could invite some of the advanced riders as it is for fun.
I don't think that people should be undercutting each other we should support each other that is how you progress.
I also think that what ever show someone is doing should be posted on here so if we wanted to come down and watch we could, it would be great!

 

Are these 2 not the opposite of each other?
If someone says they will do a show for 100 quid, then I say, Ill do it for free, then Im undercutting them, and then, it will in time bring the value of our riding down. All the time/effort/money/talent will all go unpaid for.
There is a time and place for unpaid shows, and thats charity days, ie support the troops/money raising days for a good cause.
I have probally got this all wrong , or what not.

 

I will do a show for cost of fuel/tyres etc. I just like doing them as its a laugh and a good weekend with mates, plus I don't get them often enough to really worry about how much I earn from it. Also atm I don't think NQI as a team can charge for a show as there's no experience between us.

Would never undercut someone.

 

free shows are bad for every one .

if you are not good enough to get paid then doing shows isnt what you should be doing because you will bring down the value of the people who are good enough to get paid , i mean if there are people doing shows for free then why would any one pay ?

that and if you are not good enough to get paid that means you are putting on a sub par show and that will make all stunt riders look bad especially if the people watching your free show have never seen a stunt show before ..

think of all the times you and others have put in and all the bikes and parts you and others have gone through practicing and all the injury's you or the people trying to get paid have suffered , thats worth some thing if you ask me..

like joe said there are times for free shows like charity fundraiser and stuff like that but by and large free shows are bad for every one and if some one tells you doing a free show will be good exposure for your they just want you talent for free .

 

[quote=N.Q.I_Dave;3993729] Also atm I don't think NQI as a team can charge for a show as there's no experience between us.

Not blowing smoke up ur **** or anything but i think the NQI crew can hold their own, ur show at the mfn last year looked as good as anybody else's shows think you might be selling yourselves short.

 

I think how much people can charge for a show is impossible to say a fixed price per rider per day, the reason is that the show maybe smaller then say the NEC bike show or a outlaw biker bash at the local rugby club.
Also the teams or riders are all differenet. Take the "Risk Club" 3 of the best UK riders plus drift car's and god knows what they will do next. Then SFD, very very technical riders with age and experiance behind them. Then you have NQI, like Dave said, they are new comers. Also skard4life who have there own style to say the least. getting big shows now i here (fair play) and the bling bling.

There is no way you can say £500 per rider per day, given the different teams and events that are all over the UK. It just wound'nt work.

Also how would you know if your under cutting another team??
Say you get a call or email from a event asking to price your show for them, would you post on stuntlife asking if others have already done this and then risk 4 other teams bidding for it then?? Or would you just give them the price you think is ok for your team and how big and where the event is held??

I myself have no part in booking shows and nor do i go looking for them. But i still think its a open market.

This aint aimed at you Dave, its just my on the hole thing.

 

But i do think Free shows are a big NO NO......
Even for a charity event you need to cover costs.

 

i think that if you think that your not good enough to get paid for a show then dont do a show. and i think free shows are a really bad idea

squidburt on daves profile

 

That is what I meant by free shows charity and all, or for minimal costs. But no I did not mean if someone had a show and someone else did it for free is right.

 

I had a thought that the fee for stunters could be based on a percentage of the gate receipts say 10% for example for each rider ? therefore you would earn according to the size of the venue and crowd and all the other stunters in the country would be able to pitch on a level playing field and not have to undercut anyone or worry about going in too high it would be down to the venue who they choose and who they prefer to do the show because everybody is the same price. I think if all the u.k. stunt scene adopted this as a code of conduct nobody would have to do a show for free again. anybody found rate cutting could have their ********* sewn to their ears to make them easily stand out.

 

That could work but how would new comers get there foot in the door?
Event organizers tend to stick with what they know unless its a better deal for them.

So that would be ok for VBSX, Risk Club, SFD and so on, but if i wanted to start a new team why would they pay the same out for unknown stunters

I know where your coming from Dave, its not nice to feel like you've bin screwed over cuz i'd hate it. But i cant see it working if we all stick to 1 price. It will be ok for the teams out there doing it, but for the rest of us its just a wast of time.

 

Free only for kids charitys'

 

So that would be ok for VBSX, Risk Club, SFD and so on, but if i wanted to start a new team why would they pay the same out for unknown stunters

Because you could make a few clips of a new team to show the teams level of skill and the appeal of something fresh and new. look at how many bands there are in this country playing the same type of music just presented in a slightly different way to give them appeal over the others, stunt teams are not that different all the teams basically do pretty much the same stuff with different styles. most switched on promoters are always looking for a new angle whether they openly admit it or not.

 

Thats true, but new bands dont start out doing million pond tours filling football grounds with 50,000 people, they do little warm up gigs 2 hours before the gig starts for 2% of what the big bands get.

We all start at the bottom. There is a world of difference between someone under cutting some knowing they are and someone putting in a price for a show on what the feel is reasnable.

I think if you guys go for a show, i think its only fair you ask for £500 each, but i dont think that would be fair if some others on here asked for that much as they wouldn't have a chance. I'm not taking anythin away from anyone as we are all good riders, but its going on our stunting CV.

I think if your going to charge £500 each and others charge less, give the organizers somethin worth paying that much for, stand out and push the envolpe ha ha i sound like some sort of life teacher here haha.

 

£500 per rider per day, if you are not good or profetional enough to charge that then you really have no place in doing a show, underwrighting or undercutting other riders who have beed doing shows for YEARS is just a big NO NO.
By Not chargeing for shows you are just screwing everyone including yourself.
Just my thoughts......

 

+1

 

Cost is a must. Tires arent cheap either.. No reason to put yourself out and into the whole.

If your good enough to even be doing shows.

 

Surely the early days at the Ace wasn't at £500 per rider??

I know your still a squid now, but you hide it well for £500

Come on, we all started somewhere. All i'm saying is you cant charge that when your first starting out, Or charge that for smaller show's like the Ace, or small bike clubs/Pub

 

small bike clubs pubs...no, but i wouldnt do those shows anyway.

what im trying to say is just because you can circle doesent meen you can put on a show, stunt riding on its own is boring to watch, without learning the correct crowd interactions and (IMO) bringing other stuff into it the show, the organisers dont get what they pay for, riders approach decent or even half decent shows and act un-profetional (ie change tyres 5 mins before a show and be late) then bore the crowd for half hour with the same old ****. When those organisers are approched by better teams, all we hear is " sorry guys, we had stunt riders last year and they were boring".........
Im not trying to put anyone down, im just saying if you ride for fun then ride for fun but as far as shows go, its a business and should be treated as such....