OMR of FMX
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I am not saying he did not plan it... That was my argument and thats where i dont agree with most... I think he has something to do with everything that happens but i dont think he just created everything in 7 days or what ever it was... and no my soul is worth more then apex skillzzz 

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those are great Q's...and i assume the answer would differ from person to person. if we have accepted Christ's love and sacrifice for us then each person should be secure in that knowledge, and be moving forward w/ what God has called them to do. the way we treat people should be a reflection of the fruit that is produced when a person is repentent of sin and tries to treat outhers with love, just as Christ loved us while we were still his enemies(before we accepted His sacrifice for our sin) God is the only one who is able to judge the intention of a persons heart...and He will.. i believe you can be the best person you are capable of being all your life, all the way to hell, because we are sinners by nature, the flesh we live in is just that way, none are righteous...not one. the only way to enter in is to accept Christ's sacrifice for your sin and repent from it....turn the other way and do your best to live for God, no one is perfect..and no one is better that anyone els, all men are equal, and to God all sin is the same...sin is sin..we all need a savior
and the thread goes on...lol
and the thread goes on...lol
Last edited by old man roger; Aug 6, 2009 at 05:19 PM.
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i went to a catholic school for alot of years and i never knew if there was a god or not but i was convinced by my years in that school that if there is a god religions has nothing to do with him..lol
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in that scenario a seclude race of people that have never heard of orginized religion would all be damned to hell because they live in the jungle and dont read books ? hhmm i would think an all knowing all seeing supreme being capable of creating all that is and ever will be would have a better plan than that 

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." --Paul (Romans 2:12-16)
Basically, from the beginning, God has made us in his image and wants man to be obedient to His law (not because he wants to control man like a puppet, but because he loves mankind and wants what's very best for him). Initially, in the garden of eden, this law was pretty simple...don't eat fruit from one tree. After the fall, man has fallen farther from God and seperated himself from God by his sin...always inventing new ways to anger God....Romans 1:18:32. In the old testament, and in the new testament, God required a blood sacrifice to atone for sin (in the old testament this was done by slaughtering a spotless lamb ). This is basically paying a penalty. (If a judge released a murderer without punishing that person, would that judge be just?) As history progressed and man continued to sin, they would just purchase the lamb at the temple and have the priest sacrifice it. This began to get more ridiculous and many of the people were not genuinely remorseful, sorrowful (repentent) of their sins. When Christ came, first he proved his divinity by the prophecies he fulfilled (some of which were a thousand years prior...and this is verifiable), and the miracles he performed. Then when he (the only man without sin) hung on the cross, he absorbed the wrath of God against all the sin that had been and will be committed. Of course the story doesn't end. He came back from the dead, appeared to more than 500 people who began the church after his ascension despite heavy persecution from both the jews and romans (in fact eleven of the twelve disciples died a martyrs death and yet the gospel spread like wildfire). 10 days after his ascension, God poured out his Holy Spirit to the believers at that time (Acts 2). The Holy Spirit has many manifestations, and is experientially received by all who truly repent and believe in Jesus. This Holy Spirit is a deposit that God gives as confirmation that they are saved. It's by His Spirit that miracles take place and the reason most "radical Christians" as someone on here called it, are so compelled to witness to non-believers. And finally, Jesus promised that the end will come once the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to the whole world as a testimony to all nations (Matthew 24:14).

not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers, just hoping to bring a little more clarity to the question about God's righteous judgement.
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It's definitely a relationship and not a religion. If it's just something you (a person, not pointing any fingers) do on sunday, you probably haven't been born again. Re: OMR of FMX
Good point, old man roger. Here is probably the clearest biblical response that I know of for that question.
"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." --Paul (Romans 2:12-16)
Basically, from the beginning, God has made us in his image and wants man to be obedient to His law (not because he wants to control man like a puppet, but because he loves mankind and wants what's very best for him). Initially, in the garden of eden, this law was pretty simple...don't eat fruit from one tree. After the fall, man has fallen farther from God and seperated himself from God by his sin...always inventing new ways to anger God....Romans 1:18:32. In the old testament, and in the new testament, God required a blood sacrifice to atone for sin (in the old testament this was done by slaughtering a spotless lamb ). This is basically paying a penalty. (If a judge released a murderer without punishing that person, would that judge be just?) As history progressed and man continued to sin, they would just purchase the lamb at the temple and have the priest sacrifice it. This began to get more ridiculous and many of the people were not genuinely remorseful, sorrowful (repentent) of their sins. When Christ came, first he proved his divinity by the prophecies he fulfilled (some of which were a thousand years prior...and this is verifiable), and the miracles he performed. Then when he (the only man without sin) hung on the cross, he absorbed the wrath of God against all the sin that had been and will be committed. Of course the story doesn't end. He came back from the dead, appeared to more than 500 people who began the church after his ascension despite heavy persecution from both the jews and romans (in fact eleven of the twelve disciples died a martyrs death and yet the gospel spread like wildfire). 10 days after his ascension, God poured out his Holy Spirit to the believers at that time (Acts 2). The Holy Spirit has many manifestations, and is experientially received by all who truly repent and believe in Jesus. This Holy Spirit is a deposit that God gives as confirmation that they are saved. It's by His Spirit that miracles take place and the reason most "radical Christians" as someone on here called it, are so compelled to witness to non-believers. And finally, Jesus promised that the end will come once the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to the whole world as a testimony to all nations (Matthew 24:14).
not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers, just hoping to bring a little more clarity to the question about God's righteous judgement.
"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares." --Paul (Romans 2:12-16)
Basically, from the beginning, God has made us in his image and wants man to be obedient to His law (not because he wants to control man like a puppet, but because he loves mankind and wants what's very best for him). Initially, in the garden of eden, this law was pretty simple...don't eat fruit from one tree. After the fall, man has fallen farther from God and seperated himself from God by his sin...always inventing new ways to anger God....Romans 1:18:32. In the old testament, and in the new testament, God required a blood sacrifice to atone for sin (in the old testament this was done by slaughtering a spotless lamb ). This is basically paying a penalty. (If a judge released a murderer without punishing that person, would that judge be just?) As history progressed and man continued to sin, they would just purchase the lamb at the temple and have the priest sacrifice it. This began to get more ridiculous and many of the people were not genuinely remorseful, sorrowful (repentent) of their sins. When Christ came, first he proved his divinity by the prophecies he fulfilled (some of which were a thousand years prior...and this is verifiable), and the miracles he performed. Then when he (the only man without sin) hung on the cross, he absorbed the wrath of God against all the sin that had been and will be committed. Of course the story doesn't end. He came back from the dead, appeared to more than 500 people who began the church after his ascension despite heavy persecution from both the jews and romans (in fact eleven of the twelve disciples died a martyrs death and yet the gospel spread like wildfire). 10 days after his ascension, God poured out his Holy Spirit to the believers at that time (Acts 2). The Holy Spirit has many manifestations, and is experientially received by all who truly repent and believe in Jesus. This Holy Spirit is a deposit that God gives as confirmation that they are saved. It's by His Spirit that miracles take place and the reason most "radical Christians" as someone on here called it, are so compelled to witness to non-believers. And finally, Jesus promised that the end will come once the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to the whole world as a testimony to all nations (Matthew 24:14).

not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers, just hoping to bring a little more clarity to the question about God's righteous judgement.
think of all the people , native americans , jungle tribes , african planes tribes and all the others through out the history of man that are damned to hell just because some christian didnt happen to teach them his religion...if you are right that doesnt sound like a just god to me
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Godfry is the man. Travis is on another level. Love you OMR. Hail Satan.
If I ended up in some so-called heaven I wouldn't know one single person there.
In the words of Robert Pastrana, "When I die it's going to be nothing more than a very well deserved nap".
How about just living and letting live, treating people how you would like to be treated, and every once in a blue moon doing something nice for someone for no reason.
More people have been brutally tortured and murdered in the name of religion than any other cause throughout the history of mankind. Ironic.
OMR you would have a blast at Pastrana's house, especially if his father is there.
-E
If I ended up in some so-called heaven I wouldn't know one single person there.
In the words of Robert Pastrana, "When I die it's going to be nothing more than a very well deserved nap".
How about just living and letting live, treating people how you would like to be treated, and every once in a blue moon doing something nice for someone for no reason.
More people have been brutally tortured and murdered in the name of religion than any other cause throughout the history of mankind. Ironic.
OMR you would have a blast at Pastrana's house, especially if his father is there.
-E







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