I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA...BUT WHO EVER WAS THE UNION REP WOULD HAVE TO NOT BE A RIDER. BECAUSE THEY WOULD GIVE THE SHOWS TO WHOEVER THEY WANT. BUT THIS IS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER WOULD LOOK AT US AS MORE PROFESSIONAL. THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE TO MANY SCABS FOR IT TO WORK THOUGH.
P.S. IF YOU HAVE HO HEY REARSETS ON YOUR BIKE THEY WOULD NEVER BRAKE! TRUST ME I'VE SLAMMED MY **** A THOUSAND TIMES AND NEVER BROKE ONE YET!!!
GRAHAM
P.S. IF YOU HAVE HO HEY REARSETS ON YOUR BIKE THEY WOULD NEVER BRAKE! TRUST ME I'VE SLAMMED MY **** A THOUSAND TIMES AND NEVER BROKE ONE YET!!!
GRAHAM
PS Good sponsor shout out!
you're definitely a 
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
Exactly Graham!! Thats what I mean 100% bro! The rep would have to be an unbiased non rider! Someone who would be sure that the work got spread equally! The scabs thing though I was trying to convey that if the "PROS" stuck only to the unions the professional riders wouldn't work for free! The "Scabs" would end up hurting themselves or other people and cost the promoter or business owner money and they wouldn't go long paying out lawsuits before they went looking for TRAINED PROFESSIONAL riders like you! I dunno, its just an idea as wild as it is!
PS Good sponsor shout out! you're definitely a
PS Good sponsor shout out!
you're definitely a 
o and thanks alot for the compliment it means alot to me!!!
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GRAHAM
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
<-----Again a nobody but an announcer.
I have thought this for a long time myself. Why don't riders come together and come on a set price for doing shows. The freestyle snocross guys do it, they can't do back flips for less then $1000. I have thought for a while, if there are problems with under cutting shows why isn't there just a set minimum price. I view this as a marketable sport and I see the sport going far. Even if it is going to stay just a side show or opening act then have a price set so everyone can get paid. No free shows, (unless they are for charity, those are great) no paying just for costs of fuel. This is a risky dangerous sport if you're gona provide entertainment with such high risk you should be getting paid.
I didn't read the whole post, that **** was long but saw where it was going.
I have thought this for a long time myself. Why don't riders come together and come on a set price for doing shows. The freestyle snocross guys do it, they can't do back flips for less then $1000. I have thought for a while, if there are problems with under cutting shows why isn't there just a set minimum price. I view this as a marketable sport and I see the sport going far. Even if it is going to stay just a side show or opening act then have a price set so everyone can get paid. No free shows, (unless they are for charity, those are great) no paying just for costs of fuel. This is a risky dangerous sport if you're gona provide entertainment with such high risk you should be getting paid.
I didn't read the whole post, that **** was long but saw where it was going.
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From: arcadia, florida, usa
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
james im right there with u i read the whole thing and i like the idea, ur a marketing king. and for all of u that read 2 paragraph and get lazy **** off ur a bunch of ****** lazy no talent having bitch queefs. james u got a great idea and i think we can definatly make this work around the country. i know its difficult for a track owner to say ok ill give u guys 25% of the shows bring in. cuz they want a GUARENTEE and especially if its the first sho its hard to get em off there ***.
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From: Covington, LA
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
I'll be the rep, I charge 30% of what yall make sound good? Ill give you my card!!
It's a good idea on paper, but I think it would be flawed in real life.
It's a good idea on paper, but I think it would be flawed in real life.
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From: Columbus ,OH
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
I think It was a good right up.. I skimmed parts but alot of it made sence. And it would make the sport more profesonal.. **** the rep could even be the guy that calls the lots to get permision to practice and ****... I usualy ride at the places Niles gets locked down.. hes got a few real nice lots with papers signed and ****.. i dont know how to go about doing that yet. havent realy needed to though. but the rep thing would work out. I guess Niles is our biggest rep. but the diff teams in columbus all ride together. youll get a few guys from each team at the shows.. Im not officialy on a team yet. well team onone aint much of a team anymore. but a few of us been talking about getting it going again. Its good to have teams but they shouldent compete with each other.. Need to help eachother out.
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
i think this could really work but the problem is someone has to be willing to donat ther time to this because it will be alot of work trying to get all the pros to join this so called union. a union that works right is going to be alot of work and not just at the begining. but this is a very good idea if we could all just come together. i hate to say it but it will probably never happen.
o and thanks alot for the compliment it means alot to me!!!
I NEVER FORGET ABOUT MY SPONSORS HAND SMASHED OR NOT!!!:YEAH :YEAH
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www.sickinnovations.com
GRAHAM
o and thanks alot for the compliment it means alot to me!!!
I NEVER FORGET ABOUT MY SPONSORS HAND SMASHED OR NOT!!!:YEAH :YEAH
www.hoheydesigns.com
www.sickinnovations.com
GRAHAM
Thats NOT the attitude we are needing! Thats why guys who COULD be better will always ride in lil warehouses and guys like Graham and the higher ups will rock big venues and get paid! No rep will get 30% of ****! The check will be made payable to the "Stunt riders local 389" or whatever and the riders will be cut checks on the day directly after completing the show. I dunno...it could work?
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
you cant ask someone with ADD to do something long term there lucky they can ride 4 hours
Those who agree with you already know how to get the money and usually do .
I know guys making 200 a show doing seat standers and crashing. As you watch you wonder if your waiting for a new trick or if your wishing they would crash again . They have tip hats though so maybe thats where you went wrong
Those who agree with you already know how to get the money and usually do .
I know guys making 200 a show doing seat standers and crashing. As you watch you wonder if your waiting for a new trick or if your wishing they would crash again . They have tip hats though so maybe thats where you went wrong
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From: Lawrenceville, GA
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
Well the idea of a Union would work, however not as micromanaged as stated. A union rep would not be responsible for show bookings. Individual riders/teams would still be the contact for the show bookings. Each will have to market themselves. The Union representative will be a behind the scenes contact for rider rights and responsibilities.
Nobody has to do a show for little or no money right now, they choose to. Some people are simply not going to pay good money for a small event entertainment exhibition. I agree that there should be an industry standard rate chart PER YOUR SKILL LEVEL. Lets be serious... if you are not capable of 15 minutes of SAFE entertainment for a crowd then you shouldnt be getting paid $1000 to do a show. The biggest thing I emphasize when talking to a potential client is that the riders are professional and safety of the spectators is a priority.
Nobody has to do a show for little or no money right now, they choose to. Some people are simply not going to pay good money for a small event entertainment exhibition. I agree that there should be an industry standard rate chart PER YOUR SKILL LEVEL. Lets be serious... if you are not capable of 15 minutes of SAFE entertainment for a crowd then you shouldnt be getting paid $1000 to do a show. The biggest thing I emphasize when talking to a potential client is that the riders are professional and safety of the spectators is a priority.
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From: central jerzee
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
i think the idea is a good 1 but way to many flaws when it came down to it in real workd settings...
how does 1 join the said "union" can it be any squid ont he street or what, who will be the person that lets the riders join, also whos gonna be the 1 that determines the riders/teams abilitys to perform
to me it seems like there isnt too many people out there that know that much about stunting that would be such a person to make those big desisons on basically what ur riding is worth...
and then i think you can only have x amount of riders per a determined area of the country,
seems like a **** ton of varibles that would have to be figured out, but if some1 has the time and paitence more power to them...
to me thou\
when a hobby turns into a job thats when its looses the fun
how does 1 join the said "union" can it be any squid ont he street or what, who will be the person that lets the riders join, also whos gonna be the 1 that determines the riders/teams abilitys to perform
to me it seems like there isnt too many people out there that know that much about stunting that would be such a person to make those big desisons on basically what ur riding is worth...
and then i think you can only have x amount of riders per a determined area of the country,
seems like a **** ton of varibles that would have to be figured out, but if some1 has the time and paitence more power to them...
to me thou\
when a hobby turns into a job thats when its looses the fun
What happened to my blox?
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
i read the first 2 paragraphs, then punched myself in the face for reading another money thread.
its actually pulling levers and pushing pedals, its pretty hard to **** up demo work.
its actually pulling levers and pushing pedals, its pretty hard to **** up demo work.
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
do you punch yourself in the face a lot? I guess that could account for the lack of intelligence and thought put into that last post.. P.S. you've obviously never done demolition work have you? Its very easy to **** it up, **** around and hit a gas line or hit underground utilities and see how much that costs you!
Its not all about money (BTW if you'd looked at the thread title you could have saved yourself the 2 paragraphs and the wasted post) its getting people who obviously work pretty ******* hard at getting good at their sport PAID what they are WORTH!
But thanks for the
The riders in the "union" would have to be "skilled" tradesmen like any other union Steelworkers, electricians, plumbers etc..
If they don't have the skills to pay the bills the union wouldn't be interested! Its like any other union if you were squidly and wanted in you would have to be an apprentice to a "journeyman" IE: experienced tradesman who would sign off on your skill level upon completion of said apprenticeship period! That way the only riders in the union would be good representatives of the sport!
Either way it was just an idea, not thinking the stunt community would ever be able to unite on anything besides drama I should have known better! I have noticed that the only ones who have posted positive things have been the more "professional" guys or those who aspire to be? hmm..
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
do you punch yourself in the face a lot? I guess that could account for the lack of intelligence and thought put into that last post.. P.S. you've obviously never done demolition work have you? Its very easy to **** it up, **** around and hit a gas line or hit underground utilities and see how much that costs you!
Its not all about money (BTW if you'd looked at the thread title you could have saved yourself the 2 paragraphs and the wasted post) its getting people who obviously work pretty ******* hard at getting good at their sport PAID what they are WORTH!
But thanks for the
The riders in the "union" would have to be "skilled" tradesmen like any other union Steelworkers, electricians, plumbers etc..
If they don't have the skills to pay the bills the union wouldn't be interested! Its like any other union if you were squidly and wanted in you would have to be an apprentice to a "journeyman" IE: experienced tradesman who would sign off on your skill level upon completion of said apprenticeship period! That way the only riders in the union would be good representatives of the sport!
Either way it was just an idea, not thinking the stunt community would ever be able to unite on anything besides drama I should have known better! I have noticed that the only ones who have posted positive things have been the more "professional" guys or those who aspire to be? hmm..
im starting a new trend, im gonna start paying promoters to ride, so everyone will shut the **** up.
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From: Tampa Fl.
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
ive done plenty of demo (im an ironworker/pipefitter) and ive hit gas lines, but not my fault they were only 16" in the ground, had i found out who put them in they would have got KTFO'd.
im starting a new trend, im gonna start paying promoters to ride, so everyone will shut the **** up.
im starting a new trend, im gonna start paying promoters to ride, so everyone will shut the **** up.
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Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
sir , im too lazy to read and obviously i was fucked up last night. lol.
PS: after i read it again for the 2nd time so true. sometimes people are dumb enough to jump on deal fast cuz they never had one before but sure they are learning nowadays.
PS: after i read it again for the 2nd time so true. sometimes people are dumb enough to jump on deal fast cuz they never had one before but sure they are learning nowadays.
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From: pimpin wheelies in chicago
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
Hi, I'm nobody but I have something to say....
I have been thinking for a looong time now, you guys aren't getting paid what you are worth as riders! Why do you think that is? Its because people are allowing themselves and their skills and their bikes to be taken advantage of. People want a couple of riders for a small event at their wing joint or race track. They offer you $250 to come out and you "mr small time rider" say to your crew "Sure lets do it!! That's awesome we got a paid show!!!" You have been taken advantage of!!! Robbed!! What was it like? A lot of people get it done to them EVERY day! Why? Because its hard to put a price on a stunt riders skills just yet! There are no real comparisons to go by like there are for a D.J. or a FMX guy. Its easier to put value on their skills because we have a way to make a comparison of them. Its hard for a stunter, that's why YOU guys need to step up and MAKE a scale to follow!! Make the price rules for these people to have to follow! Make it level across the board make it IMPOSSIBLE for people to take advantage of you anymore! Unite, unionize, join forces and say no more!
I have been thinking about this for a VERY long time and I wanted to run it by you guys...you ARE the stunt community!! You guys ARE the life and soul of the stunt world, and I'm asking you to seriously look at this, open your minds, and listen. If you can do that and we can do what needs to be done, we can ALL benefit from this!!
Seriously I am SICK of hearing about a huge company who hires a rider and pays them $200 to do a 4 hour show.
Lets break it down... Here's a lil dialogue for ya!!
We got a pay show dude!! Its at this raceway outside of town about 70 miles away, they want a stunt expo before the race and after the race! They are going to pay us $200 each to do this show! 2 of us $200 each that's $400 bro! "well that's $200 each yea, I have expenses bro!"
$200 / 4 hours = $50/hour. Sounds pretty good right? "Fuel?"...huh? What about fuel... "It cost me $50 in fuel to get here bro" Ok ok well you made $150 not bad bro! "Er..well I popped a tire as the finale it was almost new like $120 my cost" ****...well you made what...like $30?! "Uhh...bad news man...my rear pads are cashed! $30 EBC pads!" ****...you broke even?! Wow don't sound so good anymore! "Uhh well....I ate lunch, had 3 Red Bulls and I'm wore out so I may have to get a hotel tonight before heading home tomorrow!" thats almost $150 more! Damn dude it COST you $150 to do the show "well worse that that I had to work today...I lost $200 in OT pay to ride here" **** that sucks you lost money on a show that MADE them money! **** that's a RAW deal dude!!
Realistically they made $10 / head that walked in the doors! Lets say 500 people came out! ($5000 gate) They charged the racers to enter in the classes $15/ driver per class 9 classes 10 drivers per class = 90 total.($1350 entry fees) The concession does food at like $5 per burger and $2 per coke $5 beers etc.. They do with 500 people there like 350 of them get a burger and a coke and 150 of the guys have to have a burger and a beer! ($2450 for the coke and burger people) ($1500 for beer guys with the burger) Not to mention the people who had chips, fries etc.. you get the point right?
$5000+
$1350+
$2450+
$1500=
_______
$10,300
They paid you $400!!!
Accounting for pots, cost to run the place and etc... they still made on the upside of $6,000 after paying out prizes and electric etc...
This is NOT including the sponsors, and all the other things, this is based on ONLY 500 people in the crowd! and minimal expenses for food and race classes!
Are you worth more than 4%?! $400 is Four ******* percent of the draw?!
if it was 1000 its 10% (give or take)
You think bands come play at the amphitheater for 10% of the draw?! NO! They DON'T!!
You think FMX guys are willing to take the risk they take for a measly $400?! NO!
Why the hell are we letting people take advantage of us?! I hate to see people do that!
Another scenario:
You get a show for a motor sports arena, they are filling the house 5000 people for a monster truck show! They pay you like $1000 each (all 4 of you) and you go out on the slippery as ice painted concrete or polished concrete and risk your *** for the crowd! You are killin it as usual and the crowd is diggin it, flash bulbs pop all over as you murder a straightline combo and slow to a highchair circle and ****!! Your tire steps out and you and up with your leg between your cage and the polished concrete! You hear that sickening "SNAP" and know your leg is broke as ****! You can't get up, medics rush you into the ambulance and off to the hospital you go! $65,800 later you have some new metal detector material in your leg and a hospital bill that will haunt you forever! That $1000 can be the down payment on the hospital bills right? but you still broke the Brembro HB master, your HoHey rear set, bent the DB bars and fucked your tank up. Not to mention that you won't be able to walk for 3-4 months and will possibly limp for life!
The show filled the stands, 5000 people paid $25 each to see you They made $125,000 that day, they paid the monster truck guys what they were worth to be there, the MX guys who were there got paid what they were worth to be there, but the Freestyle stunt guys got the shaft again!
You say:
"We aren't big enough to demand anything yet, this sport is too new!"
I say: It'll never grow if you allow yourselves to get taken advantage of all the time! Why does a nice BMW cost $40,000+ I mean is it really any better of a mode of transportation that a $15,000 Chevy? Well technically all BS aside no! It still will get you from A to B and do it in relative comfort but the Bimmer you are paying for the name! They put that cost on BMW's etc.. because people are ******* willing to pay that price! If you don't want to pay $40k don't buy it we don't care! That's the attitude! The value of the BMW has been set by the folks who are demanded to pay it. If BMW dealers started selling them at $10,000 OTD everyone would expect to pay no less than that! However the market value has been built by the manufacturer demanding that price for their product!
No less than you guys should DEMAND to be paid what you are worth! I mean if they can't afford to pay you what you deserve to be paid they shouldn't have a show. "That's cutting off your nose to spite your face dude, that's not going to get us anywhere its going to hurt us!" No its not, if you refuse to work for peanuts they'll have to start feeding you steak! People are starting to see that stuntriders are valuable, they draw a crowd and provide a lot of entertainment! Obviously they can see that or they wouldn't want you out there at all! Truth is that crazy things and exciting things attract attention, attention fills seats, full seats = full bank accounts! It's a loop!
Ok ok enough of this BS lets get to the brass tacks!
I propose that we ALL..ALL unite!! Union style!!
ALL of you, hate or not we have to unite for the good of the many!
Any union members among us? Know how it helps you out in what you do?
This proposed "Stunters Union" will be about the negotiation of wages, work rules, complaint procedures, rules governing hiring, firing and promotion of riders, rider benefits, rider safety and policies.
Bottom line is that we NEED a Stunters Union!! We need to seriously ALL get together and say do we want the BS "undercutting" and "stolen shows" etc... Do you want to worry about what they will pay you to do the shows you do? Do you want to be paid what you are WORTH?!!?! Stop getting fucked around and lets all take a stand!! Enough is enough!! From East to West North to South we need to agree to stand firm and get paid! Its a new idea but it can work! Why can't we have local unions where we have union reps that get riders paid their worth to perform! Why cant we have reps that make sure shows are booked evenly so that all members in that area get a shake at it!
Example:
Same motor sports show mentioned earlier with union in place:
I have been thinking for a looong time now, you guys aren't getting paid what you are worth as riders! Why do you think that is? Its because people are allowing themselves and their skills and their bikes to be taken advantage of. People want a couple of riders for a small event at their wing joint or race track. They offer you $250 to come out and you "mr small time rider" say to your crew "Sure lets do it!! That's awesome we got a paid show!!!" You have been taken advantage of!!! Robbed!! What was it like? A lot of people get it done to them EVERY day! Why? Because its hard to put a price on a stunt riders skills just yet! There are no real comparisons to go by like there are for a D.J. or a FMX guy. Its easier to put value on their skills because we have a way to make a comparison of them. Its hard for a stunter, that's why YOU guys need to step up and MAKE a scale to follow!! Make the price rules for these people to have to follow! Make it level across the board make it IMPOSSIBLE for people to take advantage of you anymore! Unite, unionize, join forces and say no more!
I have been thinking about this for a VERY long time and I wanted to run it by you guys...you ARE the stunt community!! You guys ARE the life and soul of the stunt world, and I'm asking you to seriously look at this, open your minds, and listen. If you can do that and we can do what needs to be done, we can ALL benefit from this!!
Seriously I am SICK of hearing about a huge company who hires a rider and pays them $200 to do a 4 hour show.
Lets break it down... Here's a lil dialogue for ya!!
We got a pay show dude!! Its at this raceway outside of town about 70 miles away, they want a stunt expo before the race and after the race! They are going to pay us $200 each to do this show! 2 of us $200 each that's $400 bro! "well that's $200 each yea, I have expenses bro!"
$200 / 4 hours = $50/hour. Sounds pretty good right? "Fuel?"...huh? What about fuel... "It cost me $50 in fuel to get here bro" Ok ok well you made $150 not bad bro! "Er..well I popped a tire as the finale it was almost new like $120 my cost" ****...well you made what...like $30?! "Uhh...bad news man...my rear pads are cashed! $30 EBC pads!" ****...you broke even?! Wow don't sound so good anymore! "Uhh well....I ate lunch, had 3 Red Bulls and I'm wore out so I may have to get a hotel tonight before heading home tomorrow!" thats almost $150 more! Damn dude it COST you $150 to do the show "well worse that that I had to work today...I lost $200 in OT pay to ride here" **** that sucks you lost money on a show that MADE them money! **** that's a RAW deal dude!!
Realistically they made $10 / head that walked in the doors! Lets say 500 people came out! ($5000 gate) They charged the racers to enter in the classes $15/ driver per class 9 classes 10 drivers per class = 90 total.($1350 entry fees) The concession does food at like $5 per burger and $2 per coke $5 beers etc.. They do with 500 people there like 350 of them get a burger and a coke and 150 of the guys have to have a burger and a beer! ($2450 for the coke and burger people) ($1500 for beer guys with the burger) Not to mention the people who had chips, fries etc.. you get the point right?
$5000+
$1350+
$2450+
$1500=
_______
$10,300
They paid you $400!!!
Accounting for pots, cost to run the place and etc... they still made on the upside of $6,000 after paying out prizes and electric etc...
This is NOT including the sponsors, and all the other things, this is based on ONLY 500 people in the crowd! and minimal expenses for food and race classes!
Are you worth more than 4%?! $400 is Four ******* percent of the draw?!
if it was 1000 its 10% (give or take)
You think bands come play at the amphitheater for 10% of the draw?! NO! They DON'T!!
You think FMX guys are willing to take the risk they take for a measly $400?! NO!
Why the hell are we letting people take advantage of us?! I hate to see people do that!
Another scenario:
You get a show for a motor sports arena, they are filling the house 5000 people for a monster truck show! They pay you like $1000 each (all 4 of you) and you go out on the slippery as ice painted concrete or polished concrete and risk your *** for the crowd! You are killin it as usual and the crowd is diggin it, flash bulbs pop all over as you murder a straightline combo and slow to a highchair circle and ****!! Your tire steps out and you and up with your leg between your cage and the polished concrete! You hear that sickening "SNAP" and know your leg is broke as ****! You can't get up, medics rush you into the ambulance and off to the hospital you go! $65,800 later you have some new metal detector material in your leg and a hospital bill that will haunt you forever! That $1000 can be the down payment on the hospital bills right? but you still broke the Brembro HB master, your HoHey rear set, bent the DB bars and fucked your tank up. Not to mention that you won't be able to walk for 3-4 months and will possibly limp for life!
The show filled the stands, 5000 people paid $25 each to see you They made $125,000 that day, they paid the monster truck guys what they were worth to be there, the MX guys who were there got paid what they were worth to be there, but the Freestyle stunt guys got the shaft again!
You say:
"We aren't big enough to demand anything yet, this sport is too new!"
I say: It'll never grow if you allow yourselves to get taken advantage of all the time! Why does a nice BMW cost $40,000+ I mean is it really any better of a mode of transportation that a $15,000 Chevy? Well technically all BS aside no! It still will get you from A to B and do it in relative comfort but the Bimmer you are paying for the name! They put that cost on BMW's etc.. because people are ******* willing to pay that price! If you don't want to pay $40k don't buy it we don't care! That's the attitude! The value of the BMW has been set by the folks who are demanded to pay it. If BMW dealers started selling them at $10,000 OTD everyone would expect to pay no less than that! However the market value has been built by the manufacturer demanding that price for their product!
No less than you guys should DEMAND to be paid what you are worth! I mean if they can't afford to pay you what you deserve to be paid they shouldn't have a show. "That's cutting off your nose to spite your face dude, that's not going to get us anywhere its going to hurt us!" No its not, if you refuse to work for peanuts they'll have to start feeding you steak! People are starting to see that stuntriders are valuable, they draw a crowd and provide a lot of entertainment! Obviously they can see that or they wouldn't want you out there at all! Truth is that crazy things and exciting things attract attention, attention fills seats, full seats = full bank accounts! It's a loop!
Ok ok enough of this BS lets get to the brass tacks!
I propose that we ALL..ALL unite!! Union style!!
ALL of you, hate or not we have to unite for the good of the many!
Any union members among us? Know how it helps you out in what you do?
This proposed "Stunters Union" will be about the negotiation of wages, work rules, complaint procedures, rules governing hiring, firing and promotion of riders, rider benefits, rider safety and policies.
Bottom line is that we NEED a Stunters Union!! We need to seriously ALL get together and say do we want the BS "undercutting" and "stolen shows" etc... Do you want to worry about what they will pay you to do the shows you do? Do you want to be paid what you are WORTH?!!?! Stop getting fucked around and lets all take a stand!! Enough is enough!! From East to West North to South we need to agree to stand firm and get paid! Its a new idea but it can work! Why can't we have local unions where we have union reps that get riders paid their worth to perform! Why cant we have reps that make sure shows are booked evenly so that all members in that area get a shake at it!
Example:
Same motor sports show mentioned earlier with union in place:
+1000000000
i been preaching this since 1999!!!!
some are so eager to set themselves out as a paid rider,they will take w-e to do so!!!!!
fact is theres no criteria or scale for us and until someone gets some of the big dogs to devulgue how much there pulling,its gonna be hard to gauge!!
heres what i ask for just to see where some others are at.
$300 per rider/per day, all fuel expenses and over night accomidations if event goes past 8pm or is more then one day. if theres a second day i lower the rider pay to $500 per rider for 2 days. also food and beverages compd as well. beyond that we get into sponsership deals then,as far as discounts and such goes.
im sure alot of people are charging alot more,but this is my first year back since 2002!! so im braking in easy til my game is tight,then cost will go up.
in 2002 i charged $1000 per rider per day and 1500 for 2 days,plus expenses.
as far as sponserships go, well thats easy if your a go getter and good with selling yourself and your skills to someone and also knowing who to go after!!!!
if thats not your thing,then concider using an outsider, simular to a agent to get them for you.
im actualy cocidering starting a stunter agent co. myself to help stunters obtain what they need to succeed in this sport.
let me know some thoughts on this please, i been thinking about it awhile now!
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Yea...I got that!
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 2,468
From: Tampa Fl.
Re: I have an idea, stunters unite to get paid?!
+1000000000
i been preaching this since 1999!!!!
some are so eager to set themselves out as a paid rider,they will take w-e to do so!!!!!
fact is theres no criteria or scale for us and until someone gets some of the big dogs to devulgue how much there pulling,its gonna be hard to gauge!!
heres what i ask for just to see where some others are at.
$300 per rider/per day, all fuel expenses and over night accomidations if event goes past 8pm or is more then one day. if theres a second day i lower the rider pay to $500 per rider for 2 days. also food and beverages compd as well. beyond that we get into sponsership deals then,as far as discounts and such goes.
im sure alot of people are charging alot more,but this is my first year back since 2002!! so im braking in easy til my game is tight,then cost will go up.
in 2002 i charged $1000 per rider per day and 1500 for 2 days,plus expenses.
as far as sponserships go, well thats easy if your a go getter and good with selling yourself and your skills to someone and also knowing who to go after!!!!
if thats not your thing,then concider using an outsider, simular to a agent to get them for you.
im actualy cocidering starting a stunter agent co. myself to help stunters obtain what they need to succeed in this sport.
let me know some thoughts on this please, i been thinking about it awhile now!
i been preaching this since 1999!!!!
some are so eager to set themselves out as a paid rider,they will take w-e to do so!!!!!
fact is theres no criteria or scale for us and until someone gets some of the big dogs to devulgue how much there pulling,its gonna be hard to gauge!!
heres what i ask for just to see where some others are at.
$300 per rider/per day, all fuel expenses and over night accomidations if event goes past 8pm or is more then one day. if theres a second day i lower the rider pay to $500 per rider for 2 days. also food and beverages compd as well. beyond that we get into sponsership deals then,as far as discounts and such goes.
im sure alot of people are charging alot more,but this is my first year back since 2002!! so im braking in easy til my game is tight,then cost will go up.
in 2002 i charged $1000 per rider per day and 1500 for 2 days,plus expenses.
as far as sponserships go, well thats easy if your a go getter and good with selling yourself and your skills to someone and also knowing who to go after!!!!
if thats not your thing,then concider using an outsider, simular to a agent to get them for you.
im actualy cocidering starting a stunter agent co. myself to help stunters obtain what they need to succeed in this sport.
let me know some thoughts on this please, i been thinking about it awhile now!
