stunters looking for sponser. contact me!!
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Two years ago, when I started, people came out hard against me, demanded to know what I was doing, and who I had been talking to, then contacted those people to talk **** about me.
I didn't know any better than to reveal too much. Now I play my cards closer to my chest.
If you volunteer an opinion, I'll probably listen, give it some thought and respond with a well reasoned reply. Not a demand to know where you work and your bosses name. because I have manners. I will assume you are entitled to your opinions, rather than behave as if you somehow can't possibly know anything and are not qualified to speak to me.
I get frustrated with this atmosphere sometimes. The arrogance and discourtesy is not appealing, and I've dealt with a lot of it.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
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Ok, I'm sorry, I can usually leave most of what you say alone, but for the benefit of our Dramalife friends, I feel some clarification is needed here.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
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I can see your point better now than I did at first. When I first got started, I was so impressed by the level of riding I saw, I was really overconfident that this would be an easy sell. But I didn't know much about it. I was also catching a lot of hate, and I was coming off both defensive and overconfident... that's like an oxymoron.
This is probably just the wrong end of the industry for me, I was pretty enthusiastic about your sport in the beginning. I don't want to be all up in it and important, or whatever, that's not where I'm at in life.
I have kids to take care of, and want a career that makes me happy.
This is probably just the wrong end of the industry for me, I was pretty enthusiastic about your sport in the beginning. I don't want to be all up in it and important, or whatever, that's not where I'm at in life.
I have kids to take care of, and want a career that makes me happy.
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My god this thread is sad..Although Chris's post was the most legit thing in it and was the only post that made sense to me..
HE SOLD ME ON HIS POST! LOL
Excessa did not...This is A perfect example, Me not knowing both of you personally, Chris came out with A legit looking/Sounding post that made him sound professional, Your posts have sounded like an angry little girl who isn't getting her way...So with that said, You should take notes from Chris! hahaha!!
But Like I said, I don't know ether of you personally...I am just basing this on how your posts sound to me.. No hate intended!
HE SOLD ME ON HIS POST! LOL
Excessa did not...This is A perfect example, Me not knowing both of you personally, Chris came out with A legit looking/Sounding post that made him sound professional, Your posts have sounded like an angry little girl who isn't getting her way...So with that said, You should take notes from Chris! hahaha!!
But Like I said, I don't know ether of you personally...I am just basing this on how your posts sound to me.. No hate intended!
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Ok, I'm sorry, I can usually leave most of what you say alone, but for the benefit of our Dramalife friends, I feel some clarification is needed here.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
very well said ! thats why you are in success position for what you have done.
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Sick Nate, I see it. I saw his point right off the bat.
I'm busted, you guys are right, I can get all emotional and come off terribly.
it's not like a failed IQ test if someone is trying to offend me and they succeed, but I'll fix it before it becomes an issue somewhere important.
I'm busted, you guys are right, I can get all emotional and come off terribly.
it's not like a failed IQ test if someone is trying to offend me and they succeed, but I'll fix it before it becomes an issue somewhere important.
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Ok, I'm sorry, I can usually leave most of what you say alone, but for the benefit of our Dramalife friends, I feel some clarification is needed here.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
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The sponsors I've been speaking with are mainly from the textile, oil and entertainment industries so far, but I intend to pretty much just meet everyone I can in this world and take the time to tell them that their brand could benefit from being associated with pro stuntriders.
. I really don't think BP Amocco, Shell, or Valvoline care about much other in motorsports than racing. So I think until you can truely show some real positive things you've done sit back pop some pills smoke some weed and don't tell us all how much your doing for this sport. 
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Anyone get reminded of office space while reading excessas posts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR7HDERBCQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR7HDERBCQE
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Re: stunters looking for sponser. contact me!!
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Re: stunters looking for sponser. contact me!!
I usually do have people skills. I swear. Point taken though. if a potential sponsor were to question me like this, or give me a hard time like some people I've encountered on the stunt scene, how would I react? luckily this has never happened, but if it did, I'd be better off not losing my temper. whether or not I think it's justified is hardly the issue.
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Ok, I'm sorry, I can usually leave most of what you say alone, but for the benefit of our Dramalife friends, I feel some clarification is needed here.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
When you first came around you hollered from the rafters that you were going to change the world of stunt riding. People questioned you on this, much as they are now, on your methods, clients, etc. Not because they wanted you to fail but because you put yourself out there like that. You speak about respect and manners, yet you felt it would be okay to just steamroll your way into this industry, with little to no regard for the work that others have done previously.
traditionally when someone has come along, much in the way you did when you first came around, it usually ends in a scam or people getting burned (Stasis Shoes anyone?), so yeah alot of us are borderline paranoid anytime we see someone throwing around alot of talk with no real substance to back it up. I do believe you have been told on many occasions "Quit talking and do something, anything to back up your claims".
And while we have seen lots and lots of talk, not so much in the substance department in terms of what a manager would do for their clients. This would also be a HUGE reason alot of people question exactly what you do. You can choose to get upset and berate people for not being nice about it but until you are pulling contracts and issuing press releases stating as such for the riders who decide to put their horses in your stable people will continue to question and critique you and your actions.
Add to that this double standard you have for professionalism and things get really confusing. One day you want to be this deep industry insider and know everyone and everything, the next you are posting how much you like your pain pills and smoking weed. Personally, I would like to see you come through for some of your clients 1. because some are my friends and I would like to see them be as successful as possible; and 2. because I think there is a need for what you are trying to do in this industry; but it is very hard for anyone to take you seriously when you have one of your weed days, or the fact that you dump all of your personal life out for the entire internet to see.
Do you not understand that selling your clients to potential sponsors is only part of what you do, you have to sell yourself as well and don't think for one second that they do not or will not check up on you and how you present yourself to the world via any means necessary, and when you take half a post to tell everyone about your police brutality problems and then change subjects to get back to business in the other half you look flat out nuts, and if I were a company you were calling on for support or sponsorship for your clients this would make me very nervous.
The problem with your public perception is that it does impact the rest of us, in one way or another. Take this example;
You go to Kawasaki for one of your clients, and present them with a proposal. By default you are involved with the transaction between the company and the rider, with a large sum of money changing hands. now, the company does not meet the rider personally to begin with so they have only you to go by as a gauge for the industry, and you have one of your bad days or throw some off handed comment to a secretary in the waiting area about your pain pills and boom, their perception of the industry as a whole is that we are all pill popping hooligans and will just waste their money, thus shutting the door on anyone else to conduct business with Kawasaki in the future.
If you are doing the things you claim to be trying to do and talking to the people you claim to be talking to (neither of which I can prove or disprove at this point, and as such is not up for argument right now), then you need to tighten up and be on point completely across the board. You think people are not nice now, do something that causes some long term damage to our little industry and you will see people come out of the woodwork to shut you down.
I really could care less what you do, but felt there was some slight "revisionist history" going on about about your early involvement with this sport, and I feel that the record should be kept straight. You set yourself up to be questioned, people did not seek you out unintentionally.
Its kind of like Ryan said earlier, sometimes you can hit the nail on the head but alot of the time you are so far out in left field it amazes me.
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