pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
10-09-2007, 07:29 PM
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Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
Magura and PVM only make their masters out of 100% billet, Brembo makes them in a cast version($200) and billet($300+)....
10-09-2007, 08:22 PM
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Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
Magura makes a forged version as well.... "radial 195 master" series. Their billet versions are "radial 190 master" series.
And brembos are either FORGED or billet.... there's no cast version.
I have that same billet magura clutch master that Mikee has and it is VERY nice.... i like it a lil better than my brembo billet clutch master.
10-09-2007, 08:25 PM
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Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
Magura makes a forged version as well.... "radial 195 master" series. Their billet versions are "radial 190 master" series.
And brembos are either FORGED or billet.... there's no cast version.
I have that same billet magura clutch master that Mikee has and it is VERY nice.... i like it a lil better than my brembo billet clutch master.
And brembos are either FORGED or billet.... there's no cast version.
I have that same billet magura clutch master that Mikee has and it is VERY nice.... i like it a lil better than my brembo billet clutch master.
Ive never seen a Magura that wasnt billet, any online links to one?
10-09-2007, 08:56 PM
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10-09-2007, 09:07 PM
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Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
Well as far as i understand... casting is when hot molten metal is poured into it's mold and allowed to cool... during cooling, small air pockets can form, which makes cast parts easily breakable.
Forging is when a solid piece of billet is compressed under a high pressure die to form the desired shape... then finish machined.
The forged piece is stronger cause there's no porosity and the grain of the aluminum can be controled.
Billet pieces are just straight up machined from the start w/ no pressure or heat treating involved.
Unfortunately i have no links... but from the Denniskirk cataloge i have it's got both the 190 and 195 masters... and i believe the 195 description says something about "forged and precision machined aluminum".
10-09-2007, 09:09 PM
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10-09-2007, 09:24 PM
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Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
Forging and billet are nothing alike at all, not even close....I should know I just did my first day of training on my new $20,000 CAD/CAM software this afternoon.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU32Q6QXtWQ
Forging and casting are much more alike, both use a die to form the shape of the part where as billet maching the parts are cut out of a solid piece using cutters/endmills on a CNC mill.....
With Forging the metal isnt liquid form like casting but glowing and almost molten, it is then pressed a number of times into shape with a dies in a press...
http://www.cinecraft.com/fia/IDP/IDPPLAY.html
With Casting molten metal is poured or injected into a die and pressed to form the shape, but like I said both use a "die" to form the shape...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxDVCzJot7c
Either way it doesnt matter the bore of the master still has to be machined, the is no real advatage that billet will give you....It will be fractionally stronger and higher tolerances but Ive never seen anyone break the body on a forged/cast master....
You could be right about the forging over casting thou, I just didnt think they would forge a master because it doenst need the streght you get from forging...Just like engine covers, valve covers, etc etc casting is more then strong enough for stock parts...FOrging is normally reserved for parts under alot of stress that require strength like rims and chassis parts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU32Q6QXtWQ
Forging and casting are much more alike, both use a die to form the shape of the part where as billet maching the parts are cut out of a solid piece using cutters/endmills on a CNC mill.....
With Forging the metal isnt liquid form like casting but glowing and almost molten, it is then pressed a number of times into shape with a dies in a press...
http://www.cinecraft.com/fia/IDP/IDPPLAY.html
With Casting molten metal is poured or injected into a die and pressed to form the shape, but like I said both use a "die" to form the shape...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxDVCzJot7c
Either way it doesnt matter the bore of the master still has to be machined, the is no real advatage that billet will give you....It will be fractionally stronger and higher tolerances but Ive never seen anyone break the body on a forged/cast master....
You could be right about the forging over casting thou, I just didnt think they would forge a master because it doenst need the streght you get from forging...Just like engine covers, valve covers, etc etc casting is more then strong enough for stock parts...FOrging is normally reserved for parts under alot of stress that require strength like rims and chassis parts...
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10-09-2007, 10:02 PM
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10-10-2007, 01:22 PM
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Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
Yeah i just got mine today, i love it!
I used to have a 16×18 front master upside down but i had problems with it, there was always air coming in.. i think the seals were broken.
Here's the new one:
10-10-2007, 03:47 PM
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10-10-2007, 05:36 PM
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10-10-2007, 06:17 PM
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https://www.stuntlife.com/forums/pos...27-post25.html
wish it was a brembo, but this is about as good as it gets w/o one!!!
wish it was a brembo, but this is about as good as it gets w/o one!!!
10-11-2007, 03:08 AM
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Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup
Here you go... i found one....
http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/mc_ca.cfm
"The levers, plates and cylinder of the RADIAL 195 are forged parts, and naturally as robust as you would expect from MAGURA. The well-conceived lever kinematics provide the RADIAL 195 with a very long service life."
