Trial & error and customer feedback is the only way to get it right. Ive heard nothing but good feedback about you and your company. Good customer service bro.

 

I agree to an extent. Allthough I have done several 12drop tests and the cage and everything on the bike was fine. It was on an SRAD. watch the footage.

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i think i share the same views as you on this too. you want a weak point on the cage, but at the same time, you dont want the cage to flex too much. you dont want a 10 ft. tube with only one support, all it does is transfer energy from one side of the bike onto the other side, probly making the impact worse than it should have been in the first place.

i think you want the cage to take the impact at the lowest point possible on the bike, then you need something on the upper half of the bike to take the rest of the impact and also prevent it from tipping over on to the tank. some bikes this is physically impossible because of the low motor mounts. a f2/f3 being the perfect example.

you want the frame to take the impact as a whole, and only on one side of the bike for the most part. the only way to do this, is to have a 3 point cage.


and thanks on the props on customer service

 

i think i share the same views as you on this too. you want a weak point on the cage, but at the same time, you dont want the cage to flex too much. you dont want a 10 ft. tube with only one support, all it does is transfer energy from one side of the bike onto the other side, probly making the impact worse than it should have been in the first place.

i think you want the cage to take the impact at the lowest point possible on the bike, then you need something on the upper half of the bike to take the rest of the impact and also prevent it from tipping over on to the tank. some bikes this is physically impossible because of the low motor mounts. a f2/f3 being the perfect example.

you want the frame to take the impact as a whole, and only on one side of the bike for the most part. the only way to do this, is to have a 3 point cage.


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Well said.... Our cages are very strong. I would like to think they are bullet proof, but yes.. eventually something has to give. And yes, It seems hard to keep certain models from rolling to the tank because of the low mounts. That being the case, I would still hope one would be happier with a dented/scratched tank versus a busted motor and much more damage. Of course the idea is to prevent rolling over, but thats not always possible.

No Prob on the props. Customer service is one of our main goals.

 

MXD guy...

i hear what yorue syaing but youre syaing teh cage should cause NO damage to teh bike. true. BUT where does that impact go? it gets released and spread througout the bike.

FI cage with a 3rd mounting point would rule, personally next time i need my cage im gonna buy a bender , bust out my tig torch and go at it

 

i have a MXD cage (******* on here sold it to me...sold me a race cage instead of a stunt cage) so i had my welded build the rest of it since i was allready out $100.00 for the race cage.....well after seeing MXD uses CHEAP *** WASHERS where they mount up to the motor mount...i wasn't IMPRESSED.....i had the rest of the cage made out of the beefiest metal i could get my hands on....
after one fall from a 12 the only part that bent was the MXD part...

 

look at the design of the part that you added on. of course its going to get torn up. first off, its a street cage. a product made to protect your bike for a couple falls at best. then you go and put a tube right in the middle of the cage. the impact is pushing the entire cage up because you have it mounted in the weakest spot possible. its the farthest possible from BOTH motor mounts, terrible design. you cant modify my product and then say its crap.

you found the beefiest metal around? we use a .120 wall steel tube. the same as powers and 905 and the old FI before they switched to cm. there is a reason we use washer on the mounts, its so you dont rip out motor mounts.

if you want to make that cage solid, you need to have a brace run from the under bar you made to the slider. this is the only way its not going to bend even more.

you need to understand what a product is made for before you start bashing it. that product isnt intended for stunting and i tell everyone NOT to use a street cage if all they are doing is stunting. UNLESS ITS A GSXR.

 

no i think damage to a bike should be expected. i dont think there should be ANY damage to a MOTOR. if there is, the product needs to be redesigned.

frame damage is somewhat preventable, but not from having a cage alone. even people without a cage can get frame damage, and they dont even have to wreck. i dont think there is a way to prevent frame damage unless you have something custom done to the frame, like some welded plates, braces, etc.

 

well then here is a pic of my buddie's GSXR who used just a street cage (RACE CAGE) im pretty sure it's a MXD cage also, but not 100%......

 

like i said before. you need to know what product you are talking about before you begin to bash it. THAT IS NOT A MXD CAGE on that bike.

 

Louisville... so far all the pictures you've shown me are of either a modified cage (which was poorly thought out) and a TOTALLED GSXR. Im sorry, but even "IF" that was an MXD Street Cage, that bike just sustained a Stunt CRASH. That bike was not layed down at 20 MPH... that bike was TOTALLED. I don't think any cage would have prevented that motor from being damaged. My MXD on the left side gave out, but not on the right. I've made a couple 12 drops on the right hand side and it held up like a champ. I've had to rebend my cage a couple times after the first tumble it took, but it still held up pretty decently afterwards. So to come on here and start bashing someones cage after YOU tried to re-shape the wheel, and after a GSXR just went through a high(er) speed crash... you really have no place to just start raggin on MXD's design.

 

That gixxer looks like it was tossed down the highway at 100 MPH....NO cage will (or should) save that.

My Is that the cage's job is to protect the stator and clutch covers from getting bashed in. The cage cost is less than replacing what damage would be done to your engine in the event of a fall, so technically one nice 12 crash pays for the cage. If these companies can design them to take 10's and even 100's of hits, your buying an excellent product that pays for itself.

 

wasn't bashing, just giving my experience....in another thread someone was talking about building a f2/f3 cage, so i posted pics of mine, and i wasn't going to lie about the MXD part being the only part to bend..... i also said it was a race cage i modified, and not a full mxd....maybe he buids the stunt cages better????? but as for the GIXXER it was about a 20-25 mph crash, and the cage has been painted a few times, so he/i couldn't tell what kind of cage it was....

 

this is what our street cages look like for gsxrs. this bike has gone down about 10 times, it was a buddies bike that i bought for the parts. it went down on the freeway, a tank wheelie, a high side and few other low side wrecks. the damage done to the cases was the first wreck before he had the cage on his bike.

 

Dude, NO cage would have saved that Pan-cake looking gsxr....

PS, about the track cage for the GSXR, It works a little too well! My boy Nate actually ran the MXD Track Cage for the last month or two, of Riding and Crashing 10x a day, EVERYDAY and that damn thing held up until the other day when one side bent from the 20th fall from 12.

As far as the 3 point Idea, I have just received my Top Secret MXD cage in the mail. It's G-14 classified, so shh.... It's separted cage mounted @ 3pts on each side. I'm gonna be doing the R&D crash testing on it. Once I get it on today and crash test it this weekend, I'll let you guys know how it holds up. Not sure if Jeff wants to mass produce this model or not. See how it works first.

 

There is no way that Gix was crashed doing 20-25 mph... don't try and sell us on that BS, we aren't a dealship. That Gix was flat out TOTALLED and he's probably lucky that P.O.S. street cage that was on there did save what little bit of bike he has left. 20-25mph accident

 

Constant improvement of cages is good--all the cage companies have modified off of their original cage designs via feedback from us. We're the ones who really test these things out and even though people post up saying they're sick of all the *****ing about cages--its helping us get better designs, so our bikes stay in one piece longer, and we get better!

I dont dump my bike half as much as I used to when I was first learning and I give mad props out to the cage companies that helped me just pick my bike back up and clutch it up again!

Keep the comments coming--I think cage builders should design a mount system where socket extensions wont be needed for ease of removal especially after the 3 point designs get tweaked. Man I wish I had a welder....

 

there is only one way to get out a tweak cage. you need a socket that is grinded down a bit and a hammer. ive only had to cut off 1 cage ever & thats cuz i got lazy & already had a new cage to throw on for the guy. you have to use a 12 point socket too. they can get onto the bolt a little easier.

if you guys can think of a way to make a cage without using a socket extension, let me know & i will build it.

 

i don't care if you believe me or not....i have it on tape....my buddy hit the 12 bar (crooked) doing a standup, and the bar dug in the ground, and tossed the bike onto it's side......

 

You lie worse than the Emerald's Nuts commercials bro... nice try though, love the bent rim.

 

Hey MXD, just curious why your street design cage bends down. I built a full cage for my 954, but when I built the upper part like your street design, I went straight across. Is there some advantage to it bending down like a "U"? Seems like it would toss the bike on the tank more.

To clarify: I'm not bashing but asking out of curiousity.