Let me start by saying I am a beginner at stunting, I can clutch up first sitting down and ride it quite a ways (in and out of BP usually because I don't have the rear brake down yet), and can bounce 2nd standups, but still too skurred to get it over the hump.

I can't seem to get my 954 to clutch up in 2nd sitting down. I have tried speeds ranging from 25 to 60 MPH. I have 1st gear clutchups on lock, so I don't think it's the fear of the bike jumping up that's holding me back. Obviously I could probably go 40 and dump the clutch off the rev limiter, but I'm not in a real big hurry to rash up my ***.

I have seen people on various forums saying that the 954 has very tall gearing, and a lot of people saying that the 954 doesn't reach it's full potential as a stuntbike until you gear it.

Anybody (preferrably 954 riders) have any opinions or advice on this? Thanks in advance.

 

Whoever says you cant pop a wheelie in 2nd on a 954 needs to sell me some of that **** they are smoking....any bike performs better as a stunt bike once its geared lower makes it easier to pull it up and do slower tricks..just keep trying have one of your friends or someone ride with you to tell you how high your getting up because your probably not gettin close to the bp...or have somone video tape you then you can watch yourself...ridin and learnin with someone is the best way in my opinion

 

What I am asking for is some tips on getting a stock 954 to clutch up sitdowns in 2nd. I will probably end up at -1/+2 anyway... but I was hoping to get stock up in the air first.

 

why do you need 2nd? Do it at first.

Stock gearing is pretty tall, but -1 front gives you lot of room to do lot off basic stuff pretty well.

JT

 

my friend as an 02 954 he does highchairs in second with stock gearing! the first time i ever rode it i clutched up 2nd gear sitdowns on the freeway like nothing! just keep practicing...

 

You need to stay on the gas more.

 

yup, the 1000rr isn't that different and I had no problems bringing it up in the first 3 gears

 

Yeah buddy... stock 954 will pull up 3rd gear h/w sit downs no problem.

Work on your body position/movement and clutching. Sometimes ya hafta give a pull on the bars and lean back into it.

 

I agree with all the other posts. I could bring up my 954 on the freeway in 3rd with stock gears. Figure out what you want your end result to be. I switched to -1/+10 and love it for stunting. I can still cruise on the freeway but no more running from cops. If you want an overall good bike, go with the -1 like Jacket said. Only advice I have is rev it higher and drop the clutch quicker. You'll figure it out.

 

It probably is about 80% body position, as I'm giving it a ton of revs and letting the clutch out pretty quick (I use 1 finger when I clutch).

40 MPH should be fast enough for it to come up in 2nd right? Some people have said they can get it up as slow as 20 MPH with stock gearing in 2nd, but I have to call on that

 

I think the 1000RR makes a bit more than 132 HP, which is what the 02 954 is rated at.

 

The 54 is 155 hp at the crank and 137-140 hp at the rear wheel. I use to power all my wheelies up and had no problem pulling them up in the first three gears. I dropped a tooth in the front and now I am clutching them up. This is the best thing you can do to the bike. I've talked to a few people who own 54's and they say the stock gearing on the 54 is to tall. The bike is a beast and it is made to wheelie. Once I got the concept of how to clutch with one finger I can bring them up in the first three gears no problem. Like everybody on here says ....practice, practice, practice.

 

Hrmm, maybe I will have to post some video for critique, because I can say without hesitation that there is absolutely zero chance of my bike powering up 3rd... maybe you are forgetting to mention bouncing or giving a healthy yank on the bars?

As for clutching 2nd, I'm trying from about 40 MPH, using one finger, and letting the RPMs sail up to about 8000 before snapping the clutch back out... somebody mentioned I might need to hammer into the throttle harder during and after clutch release... but it feels like Im already doing that.

Anyhoo, keep the suggestions coming, I just found an abandoned airstrip about 15 minutes from my house... doesn't get much better than that for a "spot"

 

" because I can say without hesitation that there is absolutely zero chance of my bike powering up 3rd..."

+1, it's too weak, even second gear needs determination with just the throttle.

JT

 

No way! I use to power everything up. Third gear was a little harder than the other two, but it can be done. You just need to hit that throttle as fast as you can and open it wider than you would think. Once it starts to climb, lay off the throttle a bit. A bounce in third is helpful though.

Powering it up is not "respected" here on SL, but if you get it down good, you can make it smooth. I use to power everything and it would rise without a problem. Second gear was cake once you figure out the trick. I eventually switched to clutching which has been much more fun since it's faster. Do you really want to learn throttle whoolies?

 

donnot pay attention to the tach when trying to clutch ur bike up, just because it says its going 8000rpm doesnt mean its making full power at that rpm. i will bet you anything in the world you are not giving it any gas ( just enough to make the motor free rev ) just giv it more gas PAY ATTENTION TO HOW MUCH YOU ARE TURNING THE THROTTLE , NOT THE TACH i guarantee it will come up if u turn that twisty thing more

just keep practicing you'll get it sooner or later

 

This makes me sick.....I just looped my 954 by clutching it in 2nd at around 45mph. The bike came up so fast I went right through the BP. First time for everything, but seriously, my 954 is stock geared and the thing comes up so easy its not funny.

 

20 mph in second is no problem. Just be ready when it starts to shoot up around bp. It gets ugly really fast.

 

Well i would think a 954 wouldnt have any problem clutchin 3rd gear even since on my F4i I can clutch up second gear sit downs and there are guys out there rockin second gear highchairs. Just that on an F4i body language seems to be a bigger factor.

 

midrange is the same pretty much for those two bikes. 90% of the 1krr's are dynoing at 140-144, and tha'ts at about 10k rpms