so after countless trial and error vs clutch vs power wheelies ive felt this method is working the best.

i currently ride an 04 f4i.

ill take off from the idle of 1.5k and pretty much WOT. from 1.5k to 5.5k there is no crazy pull/low end torque of this 600 to go ***** out. so i guess you could call it "throttle lag" but anyway

take off. heavy acceleration to the point where i fell the sweet spot of the powerband which is 6k in 1st gear which is about 30-35 mph.

at this time i hit 6k, i pull the clutch in just enough so its slipping while the tach is rising to the point is comes up a little.

it crests off the ground but my question is how reliable is this compared not having to hard accelerating and slipping and having rise.

basically this way ive been doing it seems situational because i have to hit 35 mph on a heavy WOT with the slip in order to bring it up. is this just the only way on a 600? is there not enough low end torque to yank it off from 1.5-2.5k on the rpm meter which is what 15mph? simply put what kind of dump and twist is needed to bring it up from a non accelrating very slow low end start.

that aside. is the way ive been doing a safe clutch method? WOT from 2k to 6k, slip, tach rise to desired spot, stab/dump clutch.

thing that has me scared is that is may come up on me rather quick and with WOT could it spell disaster. this is why i am hesitant to stick with WOT until 6k, let off throttle and simultaneously dump and twist instead of having the tach rise WOT and slip the clutch.

i know i am rambling but if anyone has the patience to help me much is appreciated.

thank you

 

dude, read the wheelie thread, then read it again

 

Like he said, start here ....
https://www.stuntlife.com/forums/443...ing-basic.html

 

Not a safe method. Youre gonna hurt yourself. Read the wheelie thread and start slow. And for your info - most people on this site rock f4is.

 

unless you are trying to do fast coaster your going to eat ****

all you are going to do is bring the front wheel up and accelerate very fast at the same time, and that would not be good if you dont know brake control, which i doubt you do, and you will eat it. just keep trying to clutch it up from about 15mph like that thread says

 

Cheers scott, i was being lazy

 

U cant wheelie without a clutch .

 

this is kinda true

 

 

i can scrape from a dead stop on stock gearing on an f4i.



no a handbrake won't help.

and no you don't need a bigger sprocket.

just pull the clutch in and give it 8-10 grand and let her rip.

cover rear brake and clutch.

buy cage.




and what the **** is WOT??

 

You definitely can scrape tail from dead stop....but it doesn't count if you're not on the bike hahaha. And WOT means wide open throttle

 

i jumped off afterwards (its that thing in your head that tells you metal scraping means bail.....gotta get over that tomorrow)

 

thats ghost scraping:YEAH its a new trick

 

Scrape from dead stop is just a gorilla scrape isn't it?

on topic; how do you know what RPM you're at in all those whacky steps you do?
Stop thinking, stop looking at your gauges or listening to the bike. Just roll slow, pull in the clutch, open the throttle, and drop the clutch... and don't let go! If it doesen't go up you need more gas, if it smashed the tail light you need less gas and some rear brake... do it over and over... if anything goes wrong use the brake/pull in clutch. Isn't this how everyone else learned?

 

I learned brake control on a 50. I had some ability to control my wheelie using the brake, but most important, I had the reflex to hit it when I went real high real fast. I then clutched up and hit brake gradually rolling on the throttle. I learned idle before anything else tho. Remember, learning idle and learning fast **** is completely different learning process.

 

That's great advice. I learned a lot faster after I took my gauges off because I stopped watching where my rpms where before every launch and started paying attention to the actual wheelie.

 

when it sounds loud enough that your scared to dump the clutch.....your rpms are high enough.



but like dos said fast and slow are 2 different things. i started on the street and now i ride lot and i can't clutch up a wheelie on the street OVER 10 mph cuz i'm not used to it anymore. when i first started doing wheelies i never did them UNDER 15mph.

 

Tru... this is how i learned, lol