Mr Incognito

why the hell would you keep assualt automatics in your house for "home protection"...if you shoot someone breaking into your house youre gonna kill your neighbors and their neightbors and their neighbors....get a sawed off or a normal 12g....nothing makes a theif **** their pants like hearing a shotgun **** in an unfamiliar dark place...

old man roger

+1 and one of these helps too

WKDTLR

nothin like a good ol mossberg 590 or something alike to **** an intruder up. but to each their own ya know.

Italian Magic

I was speaking about .380 Auto automatics.
and, by what anybody told here, it's just a dumb idea.

stock05

i keep a mossberg 500 with pistol grip and 16" barrel by my side. i keep it loaded with 3 bean bags, buck shot, and a hollow point slug. it looks similar to this minus the front pistol grip , but i ordered one just waiting for it in the mail.

i also agree with everyone else that its pretty much pointless to use a full-auto for home protection.


-the mexican

stock05

btw these two website has some pretty cool ammo and accessories for 12gauges.

http://www.firequest.com/catalog/showcase_item_4.html

http://www.deltaforce.com/


-the mexican

WKDTLR

if you have a mossberg 500 im pretty sure thats a 18 1/2 inch barrel

stock05

nope its a 16.5"


-the mexican

WKDTLR

in no way am i calling you a liar; but mossberg dosen't make a 16.5 inch barrelled 500. they are 18 1/2 inch. do you have pics or anything?

NINER

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...6.5%22&spell=1

WKDTLR

so its an aftermarket barrel not made by mossberg?

stock05

i dont know the manufacturer of the barrel, i bought it from a friend set-up as is.






-the mexican

N/A

Seriously, a fully automatic weapon in the house is ridiculous!

baseball bat (your choice of putting nails through the end of it) handgun, shotgun, dog.... problem solved!

WKDTLR

ok. thats what i was getting at. mossberg dosen't make a 500 from the factory with a 16 inch

WKDTLR

im not saying use full auto for home defense but your post earlier of saying that we shouldn't be able to have assault rifles was pure bs. commie liberal bs

N/A

What in theeeeee **** do you need an assault rifle for? You tell me one good damned reason you need a ****** assault rifle??

Don't even give me commie liberal BS, NOBODY needs to have a fully automatic assault rifle unless you are wearing camo in a foreign country, protecting our borders, or have a badge on your chest. If you don't have any of that... THEN **** YOU!!!

WKDTLR

its called our constitutional right. something you would prob give up in a heartbeat because you'd rather hug trees and be told exactly how you can and cant live your life. But there is no point in arguing with you. You've sucked so much bleeding heart liberal kock that you'll never see it any other way. But it dosen't matter. You know why? Because it's legal to buy automatic weapons through class 3 procedures. so no my commie hearted little friend.........**** you! =)

Italian Magic

Farley, as you know i'm not American. and still I can see the point,
and try to explain to ya.

-- and please, if i do ANY mistake, please anyone correct me --

there are basically TWO reasons for the man of the street to have the right to possess an automatic or whatever gun:

1) the RIGHT TO FREEDOM. in its widest meaning.
there's just no plain reason for anyone with a clean record
NOT to own a machine gun. for being it a toy, a collectible, an hobby,
just like a blinged-out Busa, or a V8 supercharger, or a huge house.
Unless there's a main, striking and deadly reason, why put limits to people?
If we'd have to put limits to whatever you can own,
then why don't we outlaw big, polluting engines? they're surely more of a harm to people. And are fast.
Or we can either ban huge houses: they're more expensive to run on heating, thus more pollution:
Raceways and the racing world in itself?
oh come on, it's noisy, redneck, polluting, let's get modern: let's ban the motor racing world...

Later, people will be accustomed enough
not to bother if anything else gets banned...
Outlaws won't surely bother what's lawful or not, while carjacking you.


2) THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION:
Farley, when your Constitution was signed in 1787,
it sure was a very different world compared to now.
But not as many people tells you.
There are still political fights, wars, greed, lust and so on.

Hence you have to look at the REASON for the Constitution
to have been written that way:
the United States were coming from an War from Indipendence,
a war in wich common people fought against a ruling, oppressive government.
A Civil War, indeed...

You remember what the Second Amendment said?
Okay, you have to understand WHY it said so.
Not for fear - not only, not MAINLY - of an alien nation attacking,
but to prevent the Nation and its population from an oppressive government.

"The most important influence from the European continent was from Montesquieu, who emphasized the need to have balanced forces pushing against each other to prevent tyranny."

The US were coming right from the tyrannic goverment of the UK,
and the Fathers wanted to point this out:
No matter how many years, decades, or centuries
the US can become old:

There may always come a point
in wich a ruling government is no longer beared from its own citizens:
And we have the right to be able to remove that government from ruling.

It may be standing up as a democracy, look as a democracy,
but since he took all our rights with us just standing and watching
we couldn't help whatever decision that government takes,
since we're helpless.

You Americans quite know what i'm talking about:
the Homeland Security act and the Patriot act ( or whatever it's called )
is - to my eyes - a subtle way to take most of your rights away ( privacy, mostly ),
that's the way it goes: "it'll be for your own good"...
but leaves you hopeless and disarmed.

N/A

I love how you pin me under a liberal b/c I believe that the average, everyday American citizen should NOT own a very lethal and deadly weapon. You want to know why? This country is too fucked up for people to just own fully automatic assault rifles. Not everyone has the money to put their weapons in a full gun case that weighs 600lbs and can't exactly be piggy backed out of your house. The other problem with owning a gun of this magnitude is the liability that it falls into the wrong hands. Unless you have been trained and have demonstrated through proper training (such as military or police, not an everyday citizen being trained) then you can own this type of weapon.

There are entirely toooo many guns on the streets that are in the wrong hands. My dad was a cop, ex-military and I grew up in a house with over 15 different types of hand guns, shot guns, and rifles. None of them were assault rifles, but guns none the less.

If anything I am all for the right to bare arms, I will be buying my first hand gun after going through the proper classes and receiving my license to have a sidearm.

Sticking an assault rifle in peoples hands is like putting a 4'9 blonde woman in an F-650 and the only reason why she wants something that big is so she doesn't forget where she parked when she goes to the mall! It's pointless, no reason whatsoever.

Don't for one second think I am pissing on the constitution when I had infact signed up to be a Marine and defend my country. The only reason why I didn't go was b/c my family is more important than serving my country, and quite frankly I wanted to see my 2 new born nieces grow up and I wanted to finish school. Either way, I was ready and willing to bleed for my country!!! And my whole point about this entire thing is that PEOPLE ARE STUPID, and don't know how to honor and handle the constitutional right they were given... instead they would rather get drunk and ruin it for the rest of us.
Just like anything else out there, stupid people ruin it for the rest of us... just like stunters that ride wheelies down the middle of the highway. Overall, that really distorts what stunting is about and what we are trying to do as a stunt community.

But you are right, this isn't worth arguing with you b/c for some reason you feel it's more important for society to keep making the same mistakes over and over. And it's not like I'm arguing about a stupid law, something menial that means nothing... this is about guns. Big guns that cause big damage and that if in the wrong hands kills innocent people.

stock05

thats some deep thinking right there, but i totally agree with you




-the mexican