Valeska

Heck even if it was a non-fatal shot, who the hell would keep approaching or attack once he's been shot once? You don't always know how bad you have or haven't been hit for starters, and next one might be to the face, so even if it didn't kill him I still think it would stop him in his attempt. Most intruders aren't there on a mission to do battle with you and take you out anyways, usually just after your stuff or your woman.

I need to get myself another gun here soon, I miss all mine. About a year ago I had stalker finally break into my apt and disarm me of all my guns (real AND fake! wtf?) before I woke up with him right over me....
He got away, I was afraid he'd come back, & the gun never recovered either, so I picked up the first thing I could afford at the moment which was a lil Keltec P32. I loved how it could hide in my back jeans pocket unnoticed, but I'm really into high-accuracy target practice and this thing was so short (purely for Pers. Protect.) it was crap over 30yards, so I recently sold it to get something I'd be more happy with all around. Unfortunately I've since begun channeling all incoming funds towards a stuntbike so I am a lil nervous about the lapse in protection. I did move & change my name however, so at least I'm not as worried about the same guy anymore.

stunta600rr

use a 9mm, aim for the head, check backdrop, and dont miss

D-UNIT dem xpt

9mm is worthless.....and the guy was a competitive shooter...lol

article from cnn....(original link: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/21/te....ap/index.html )

PORT ARTHUR, Texas (AP) -- In the middle of Joshua Bush's forehead, two inches above his eyes, lies the evidence that prosecutors say could send the teenager to prison for attempted murder: a 9 mm bullet, lodged just under the skin.

Prosecutors say it will prove that Bush, 17, tried to kill the owner of a used-car lot after a robbery in July. And they have obtained a search warrant to extract the slug.

But Bush and his lawyer are fighting the removal, in a legal and medical oddity that raises questions about patient privacy and how far the government can go to solve crimes without running afoul of the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

"It's unfortunate this arguably important piece of evidence is in a place where it can't be easily retrieved," said Seth Chandler, a professor at the University of Houston Law Center. "You have to balance our desire to convict the guilty against the government not poking around our bodies on a supposition."

Investigators say that Bush was part of a group of gang members who broke into a used car lot and tried to steal vehicles. According to police, Bush tried to shoot businessman Alan Olive, and when Olive returned fire, a bullet struck the teenager and burrowed into the soft, fatty tissue of his forehead.

Prosecutor Ramon Rodriguez said gang members who took part in the robbery identified Bush as one of those involved. When he was questioned about a week later, Bush admitted taking part in the robbery but not the shooting, police said.

"The officers noticed the guy looks like hell. One of his eyes is black and he has a big old knot on his forehead," Rodriguez said. "He tells police he got hurt playing basketball."

A few days later, Bush went to the hospital and told doctors he had been hit by a stray bullet as he sat on a couch in an apartment.

"Officers started putting events together," Rodriguez said.

A judge took the unusual step of issuing a search warrant to retrieve the bullet from Bush's head in October.

But a Beaumont doctor determined that small pieces of bone were growing around the slug, and he did not have the proper tools in the emergency room to do it. The doctor said that removal would require surgery under general anesthesia and that no operating rooms were available.

Police then obtained a second search warrant and scheduled the operation for last week at the University of Texas Medical Branch hospital in Galveston. It was postponed again, however, after the hospital decided not to participate for reasons it would not discuss.

Prosecutors said they continue to look for a doctor or hospital willing to remove the bullet.

All sides agree that removing the bullet would not be life-threatening. But Bush's family and attorney say it would be a violation of the teenager's civil rights and set a dangerous precedent.

"When the medical profession divorces itself from its own responsibility and makes itself an arm of the state, it's a dangerous path," said Rife Kimler, Bush's lawyer.

The used car lot owner, Olive, told police that after officers had left the scene following the robbery and he began cleaning up, a man appeared in a nearby alley and threatened to kill him if he helped authorities in their investigation. The man fired at Olive and a shootout followed.

"I just can't believe I missed him at that distance," Olive, a competitive pistol shooter, said in court papers. Olive told authorities he never saw the man's face in the dark alley.

Bush is in jail on charges related to the robbery, but not the shooting.

Tammie Bush, the teen's mother, disputed allegations her son is a gang member.

"We know he's not a criminal," she said. "He's a good kid."

Dr. Arthur Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, predicted Bush's rights as a patient will trump the state's desire to get the bullet, and said authorities might have a hard time finding someone willing to extract the slug.

"It truly is a moral quandary," Caplan said. "Doctors are caught between wanting to help solve crimes and their responsibility to patients' rights to refuse a procedure."

isnt a 9mm what 50cent also got shot with like 10x?...if your gonna use something that small at least use a 357 sig......its got a little more oomph..

Street Warrior

forehead is the strongest bone in the body, and who's to say he didn't handload that. uncle freddy's homecooked self defense load... I guarantee you it wasn't a gold dot

Righteous 1

Are my eyes OK? Did someone say 9mm's are worthless?

rUu

hahahaha
that's the close quarters **** right there ^^

D-UNIT dem xpt

Thats your perogitive if youd trust your life to that as a defense weapon and thats cool...but i for one will not...just puttin in my .

Big Jim

I agree. I do not carry anything smaller than a 40 and rarely carry that, usually a Glock 45.

Street Warrior

I'm currently in the market for a Taurus PT145 Mill Pro...

Street Warrior

I'm actually on the fence between a G30 or a PT145...PT145 is a lot smaller and has the same capacity, 10+1, and it also has a DA/SA trigger which I really like. But the glock has a light rail, tons of aftermarket parts available, more accurate(longer), it's easier to field strip, and it's going to have glock reliability... taurus is about $100 less though... tough choice, but I'm leaning to the PT145, just cause it's so damn small, and still packs a ton of heat

Big Jim

For me the extra 100 bucks is worth the reliability of the Glock and it is still very easy to conceal carry

numberTWO

You don't need a huge amount of stopping power for home protection. Thats why they put more than one round in the mag. Always double tap if you are in a life or death situation. A p22 would be all you need, minus the fact that .22 rounds are not reliable at all. But a .32 would be probably the smallest, most reliable round you would need. All these people thinking they need a desert eagle for home pro. are very misguided. And taurus' suck. Get a glock.

Valeska

I love Glocks, almost got one had it been a more practical concealable for me, but I gotta say I've been very happy with the Taurus' I've owned & experienced. In fact the gun the attacker got from me was a Taurus, but it was a .38 Special, and I'm not big on revolvers. They have their benefits i just don't prefer them myself, but it was just inherited from my father.

Italian Magic

The legend of the 22LR comes, as i remember, from the early '70s or '80s.
At that time, small .22LR handguns were issued at Isareli's secret service members attending to bodyguarding and escorting.
Agents were trained to shoot at the fastest possible rate,
using both .22 mild recoil and proper aiming - just head and chest, no time to kill -.
That's why the .22LR is to be considered the DEADLIEST Caliber:
Because when you shoot it, you're aware of it's weakness:
and you point it at the right places.
And of course you kill,
though you'd have the luxury of choosing where to hit, hence you have a more powerful gun.


IMO, a shotgun would be the perfect choice.
Mafia's doppietta shotgun, pump-action, whatever:
it's even louder than any handgun, and this doesn't harm..

NINER

A hollow point 7.62x39 will still go through both sides of a beer keg.

NINER

I agree completely. But I would carry a .38 special +P over being unarmed.

og ryan lee

you need to invest in a 12ga. mossberg 500 persuader. 18"barrel, no choke, pistol grip, synthetic stocks.

if you start shooting up the house with a 7.62, you are going to end up shooting your neighbor in his living room if you miss and the bullet passes thru a wall or window.

you can shoot someone several times with a 22 and they could still get your ***..

with #6 shot and no choke, a 3"mag has a pattern about 3 feet wide at 15 feet and nobody will stand up after that.

og ryan lee

dont get caught with it... thats straight to jail do not pass go.

6364daddy

I got 10 cents worth to put on it. I am an engineer for Remington Arms here in Lonoke Arkansas. BUY A SHOTGUN. .22 are very deadly but you will be WAY more likely to miss with it. Same goes with all pistols even if your the world best shot with a pistol wouldn't you want 10 chances of hitting an intruder instead of one.

p.s. this is what i defend my home with. http://www.remington.com/products/fi...ine_magnum.asp

every piece of remington ammunition you find in the world comes from Lonoke, Arkansas. I am the process engineer over out shotgun shells production area. Trust me you WON'T beat ours.

Street Warrior

I think he meant frangible ammo... I don't think he'd say an AK won't over penetrate and be referring to hollow points hollow point 7.62's are only hollow because they're more accurate, not because they expand any better