Title questions/legal issues
Title questions/legal issues
I'm looking into a bike a guy is selling in Ohio. It's a 95 F3.
For what it's worth, assume what the guy is saying is truth. I think it is.
He works at (maybe owns) a shop, and a guy dropped off the bike to get plastics fixed after a lowside crash. The guy who drops off the bike notifies the mechanic that he's moving and the guy can keep the bike. But never transfers the title over. The guy who moved cannot be reached.
The seller does not have a title for it yet. In Ohio it's this rather long, arduous process. He said he has the Ohio paperwork, forms, etc. to get the title in his name. He said he will give me a bill of sale to help me with the title transfer.
If I pick up the bike and bring it back to Michigan, what will I have to go through to legally get the title in my name? I found this information here: http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7...806--F,00.html and I think #3 might apply to me. But when they look up the Vin they will see the previous owner and won't that raise a few flags?
Cliffs: Bringing an out of state bike, with a title that exists (somewhere) that I don't have, trying to transfer it into my name.
Help?
For what it's worth, assume what the guy is saying is truth. I think it is.
He works at (maybe owns) a shop, and a guy dropped off the bike to get plastics fixed after a lowside crash. The guy who drops off the bike notifies the mechanic that he's moving and the guy can keep the bike. But never transfers the title over. The guy who moved cannot be reached.
The seller does not have a title for it yet. In Ohio it's this rather long, arduous process. He said he has the Ohio paperwork, forms, etc. to get the title in his name. He said he will give me a bill of sale to help me with the title transfer.
If I pick up the bike and bring it back to Michigan, what will I have to go through to legally get the title in my name? I found this information here: http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7...806--F,00.html and I think #3 might apply to me. But when they look up the Vin they will see the previous owner and won't that raise a few flags?
Cliffs: Bringing an out of state bike, with a title that exists (somewhere) that I don't have, trying to transfer it into my name.
Help?
You can:
Buy the bike with bill of sale. (To save your ***)
Then call State Police or Local or whatever.
Tell them you have a abandoned bike on your property, and would like them to come out..
I think they run the VIN - make sure it isnt stolen, then write out a form that you take to SOS, then the title process begins.
It takes awhile to do it all though.
I suggest just dropping it and finding something else.
Buy the bike with bill of sale. (To save your ***)
Then call State Police or Local or whatever.
Tell them you have a abandoned bike on your property, and would like them to come out..
I think they run the VIN - make sure it isnt stolen, then write out a form that you take to SOS, then the title process begins.
It takes awhile to do it all though.
I suggest just dropping it and finding something else.
It is not legal...the only way the shop owner can sell the bike is if the storage fees for the bike exceed the amount of the bike value...then the court will forward a title to the party that the money is owed. What you are think of doing is...ILLEGAL! No questions asked. One more thing if you still question what I have said. What if the guy that has the title in his name wants his **** back.... your answer is.... YOUR FOUCKED.... PEROID.
As far as storage costs exceeding the value of the bike, I think the guy could make that claim. He paid for the new plastics, his time to fix it, etc, etc..
I probably will leave this bike alone. It just seemed like a prime candidate for a novice track guy.
I'll tell the guy I'm not interested unless he has a title in his name he can transfer to me.
I probably will leave this bike alone. It just seemed like a prime candidate for a novice track guy.
I'll tell the guy I'm not interested unless he has a title in his name he can transfer to me.
This guy is selling it for $1200 though. Jetted/fullexhaust, new tires, all plastics in good shape and painted flat black(except right tail is cracked), "runs great, never stalls" etc. Looked like it was missing turn signals and mirrors though. The perfect track *****.
If I recall even the track is cracking down on non titled bikes, I would only give him/her cash only when they have title on hand, they might even be able to get the bike on a mechanics lien, but money has to owed to the shop though, my thoughts pass on it, if it sounds to good to be true it isn't.
Here's what happens when you get involved in vehicles with sketchy title situations:
Long story, but worth it... PS. Turn down your volume, there's some background stuff...
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=bE_jAy
Long story, but worth it... PS. Turn down your volume, there's some background stuff...
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=bE_jAy
His response:
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I wish Ohio had that law, I would have the title to the bike already. #3 should
apply to you.
I will include the name and address of the previous owner with the paperwork.
Possession is 9/10's of the law, I'll give you all the reciepts for the work done to
the bike and he legally would have to pay you at least $1600 to get the bike from
you. That's how a mechanic's lien works. He would have to pay you before he gets
the bike back, even if he has the title.
The problem I had with the bike was the cam chain tensioner and one of the coils
were bad, both have been replaced.
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Thoughts now?
Furthermore, I would not register/insure/plate this bike. So if it doesn't have mirrors/turn signals, etc -- will it still get titled if I have it inspected in Michigan? I'd call the SOS at work myself, but they're **** here about personal calls.
You guys have been a great help! There's some smart guys here behind all the BS.
Thanks a lot.
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I wish Ohio had that law, I would have the title to the bike already. #3 should
apply to you.
I will include the name and address of the previous owner with the paperwork.
Possession is 9/10's of the law, I'll give you all the reciepts for the work done to
the bike and he legally would have to pay you at least $1600 to get the bike from
you. That's how a mechanic's lien works. He would have to pay you before he gets
the bike back, even if he has the title.
The problem I had with the bike was the cam chain tensioner and one of the coils
were bad, both have been replaced.
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Thoughts now?
Furthermore, I would not register/insure/plate this bike. So if it doesn't have mirrors/turn signals, etc -- will it still get titled if I have it inspected in Michigan? I'd call the SOS at work myself, but they're **** here about personal calls.
You guys have been a great help! There's some smart guys here behind all the BS.
Thanks a lot. Funny story...
I bought a bike off ebay from a guy in Ohio who had a barn full of bikes. The guy kinda lied about some of the stuff (like the odometer reading) and told me that he swapped gauges with another set b/c the first wasn't working. Other than a few mundane details, i decided to buy the bike for a little less than the ebay auction. There was no title on the bike and the seller told me the same thing...titles are difficult to get in Ohio.
I got home knowing that i'd have to have a police officer issue me a certificate/written statement that the bike is in working order and the VIN is clean. I had my dad run the VINs before the cop did and it turned out the frame VIN was clean and the engine was stolen. I panicked thinking that the officer would impound my bike and/or charge me with stolen property, but he somehow looked over the engine VIN and i had a Michigan title in a few weeks.
Moral of the story: be absolutely sure that the VINs are legit and that the owner hasn't reported them stolen.
-=bmacd=-
I bought a bike off ebay from a guy in Ohio who had a barn full of bikes. The guy kinda lied about some of the stuff (like the odometer reading) and told me that he swapped gauges with another set b/c the first wasn't working. Other than a few mundane details, i decided to buy the bike for a little less than the ebay auction. There was no title on the bike and the seller told me the same thing...titles are difficult to get in Ohio.
I got home knowing that i'd have to have a police officer issue me a certificate/written statement that the bike is in working order and the VIN is clean. I had my dad run the VINs before the cop did and it turned out the frame VIN was clean and the engine was stolen. I panicked thinking that the officer would impound my bike and/or charge me with stolen property, but he somehow looked over the engine VIN and i had a Michigan title in a few weeks.
Moral of the story: be absolutely sure that the VINs are legit and that the owner hasn't reported them stolen.
-=bmacd=-
He ran a check on the title.. it's all clean. I will run my own if I pursue the bike.
One of his replys:
"It was fixed at my shop, I'm not licensed because I'm not in
a commercial area. I am ASE certified, which legally makes me a mechanic that can work out of his home. The reciepts that I have are stamped with my business name on them. and they're legitimate."
He says that he has all receipts and repair work documented. If I did pick up the bike and got a title in my name and all, and /then/ the guy who left the bike behind wanted it, he would legally have to pay me the $1600 (I think) or whatever in repairs that the mechanic spent fixing it.
My interest is growing.. I need more thoughts and opinions please.
One of his replys:
"It was fixed at my shop, I'm not licensed because I'm not in
a commercial area. I am ASE certified, which legally makes me a mechanic that can work out of his home. The reciepts that I have are stamped with my business name on them. and they're legitimate."
He says that he has all receipts and repair work documented. If I did pick up the bike and got a title in my name and all, and /then/ the guy who left the bike behind wanted it, he would legally have to pay me the $1600 (I think) or whatever in repairs that the mechanic spent fixing it.
My interest is growing.. I need more thoughts and opinions please.
Originally posted by DetroitStyle
Here's what happens when you get involved in vehicles with sketchy title situations:
Long story, but worth it... PS. Turn down your volume, there's some background stuff...
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=bE_jAy
Here's what happens when you get involved in vehicles with sketchy title situations:
Long story, but worth it... PS. Turn down your volume, there's some background stuff...
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=bE_jAy
-=bmacd=-







, probably stolen, which came to mind while reading this thread 
