I hear ya. Boring? Not really, its more like crap you wish you could avoid... Almost like a boulder on your back.... That wasn't the entire amount of individuals of my class. What they did was they invited other classes into the auditorium and present our projects to them. The other classes would be like psychology majors to study the behaviors of each presentor. Were they nervous, what sign therefore shown, etc. They were there to analyze. Other majors were there as well. Then appx 100 professors were there to observe the iinformation to be presented.... It was nerve wrecking but normally for me once I get down there and say the first word I am usually at ease in front of all the eyes. Yeah, its bullsh!t but its good for when you actually want a job and have to present information to a committee. You'll have some nervousness under your belt.

 

ok you may be on topic but you go way beyond whats necessary and people dont wanna read a page when it can be summarized in 2 sentances. u know how english teachers would rather have a concise essay than a long drawn out one? and how it takes more skill to do that? so yeah, i think it does have to do with intelligence. you just owned yourself big guy

 

Just drop it Beatrice.

 

No ****....He gave me a good reply and then you start attacking him.


Bikerboy...I hear you on the presentation experience. I dont really have a problem w/ a group at work w/ things I really know but, I would dread the **** out of presenting stats infront of that many people. The other class could assume everyone to be nervous. The problem w/ that kinda of deal is if you have a person fail or be intimidated...it could be real ugly and somewhat not fair. I'm rambling.....but the truth is damnit I dont want to do that!!!!

 

I don't fight, jack

 

Have you done what I said? Look at the posts before about the medical journals. Tell them they are unintellegent b/c the write multiple pages (in 8pt or smaller that is) on the same topic... Yeah, those geneticists and those who contributed to the human genome are stupid b/c the tend to write more than they are capable of... What about your text books written for the collegian? Tell the hundreds of authors that they write unnecessarily and that they should just give the information in this format...Well, no, I am not going to explain. I want YOU to explain this formula to the rest of us dummies in short format.... Let's see you do it.... Oh and before I put it in, English teachers only do that to minimize the amount of reading they have to do. If they have as little as 50 students with a short 6 page report ( I have done ALOT more as I am sure others here have as well) , do you know the volume of grading they would have to go through? That's 250 pages. Most students would be graded on a C level. Hence, the term average. Some F quality. So you would read most of the text and would have wasted you time on pure BS. Why read info like that if you are def. not going to learn anything? I mean afterall you teach them what they are supposed to write. Don't try to act smart with me. Seriously. I am tooo old for kiddy, or adult dumbass, BS....

OK. Put this in your "intellegent short format" And yes, this is a VERY REAL formula for equating specific problems.

Ok, in SHORT, tell me how each of the formulas given have differing correlation to the next if they are all inevitably equal as shown....


Remember, make it short or your unintellegent as you say...

This is an actual page scanned from my text book of what we are working on....I removed the long drawn out explanations in the hopes you could do it better....

 

Thanks you potna. Damn, some of these fools just don't see the damn light of what I am saying. Too damn ignorant to accept truth when its right in front of their face. I have seen many like this. No matter what evidence you present of facts you show they will ALWAYS be stuck in their mindset.

Going to what you said. DOn't dread it. It just takes practice. Its funny you say that about dreading the ****. Trust me. You don't know how many of these loud mouths would freeze up like a deer in headlights when and if they had to do it. They talk a good game on how easy everything is and bad about another but when the table is turned they become the slimiest of them all. Cowards bro. That's all, cowards, not good at anything else so they try to knock you down for the **** you accomplish b/c you are not a ****** book worm dork but are still highly, well, not your average joe (I'll put it like that) and prove your worth.... But in your case don't trip bro. Just say to yourself as I have done so many times "*** it, let's do this" And just do it. *** my fears, *** my negative thoughts. That's trash. I do my **** and I am good at whatever I do. They can be good at there one or two things. I have multiple things to become proficient in.

About the person failing or being intimidated, naw, most everyone did well. Why? Just for that reason. They don't want to look like an *** up there in front of so many people to show how truly stupid they are. So unlike some here, they/I had to learn ALOT in those boring subjects the professor assigned you and when they ask you questions you know your ****. I have seen many though just try to be cool and appeal to their friends but when they were up there, their friends were the last hting on their minds. One guy brought some pictures and a handwritten piece of paper for this other speech. It started good until he opened his mouth. This one was to last 10 minutes. He looked like a fool, failed, and from that day forward lost repect from many. They on;y looked at him as a joker. Just another loser passing through. Not REALLY wanting to benefit him/herself.

You seem like you have an avid personality and is willing to attemp the unknown to better yourself. I like to see that in folks. I like the hard workers. I like the ones who have a decent personality and not trying to be funny ALL the time. In the future, I plan to have those below me in my working position. Whether it be a fukin employee of mine or students I profess to. I can assure you, I am going to work their asses off. I will not have any sort of simpathy for the jokers, the smack talkers, the ones who feel the need to pick on those who want to work, and the foolish. They will be fired, never hired, or will fail my class. No doubt. The can go back to the crap they came from and live by. They can be like some of my good friends in High School. Many are dead to gang violence, some are homeless (well one is for sure) and so on. I am like one of the few to move on and change my dumb *** ways as a kid to being a damn man. Thinking like a man. Not like a boy...Some adults still think like boys and like to fondle and play games with folks thinking they are funny. I have seen them many times. They don't think of the future beyond their nose and that's why they have to live with and shovel their **** they've created.

But going back, if they come in an honest attempt to be polite, sincere with other students/faculty/employees, and willing to try and as a result work, and not just to be an *** and waste mine and their time, then they'll continue through to be given the pass to succession to be promoted to move to the next level of education...

I think you'll do fine in any speech. Just do like the motto states "BE PREPARED" and you should have no problem... None at all.....Just take it in stride man. Just take it one step at a time..

Man, its fukin' 5:30am and I am goingto bed. I have to be out of here by 7:00am.... A long damn day tomorrow..... But I work and if I am tired or not, I work and tread through the mess. Character. It build character.

Not to mention I have to get some documents for a professor first thing in the morning. LIke at 8:00am....Gotta go.

Its amazing I have time to BS with the ones who don't deserve the time I dish out typing in here hoping to help them/others out... I think I am seriously going to cut back and be a true ***. Not being nice and forgiving trying to help, just answering the way I see fit and that's it. If they read it good, if not, who cares. If they reply to be a funny ***, who cares. No time to reply to nonsense, which I really don't...

 

oh my god!!!! that's a huge one

 

Right after Hemingway wrote The Sun Also Rises, he wrote a very small book, not much noticed. And I remember reading that he said, "I wrote that just to cool out after The Sun Also Rises." I was working on Salazar, an ugly murder story. You know how you get. You get that, "F--k, damn, where shall we go now? Whose throat can I eat?" And when I got stuck out in that Holiday Inn near the Santa Anita racetrack, outside Pasadena, I was there to work on this murder story. That was work, boy, that was blood. And, boy, that role got very, very tough. That's why I went to Las Vegas. And when I came back from Las Vegas, I was still writing that story (p72)"

Indeed. It was not an easy story to write. "Aztlan" is part obituary, part social commentary, and part gonzo when HST's involvement becomes personal. It was the first story of HST's to mention Oscar Acosta directly. In this case, HST was the "right" person to tell the story, to write words of outrage over a senseless death and a city bursting with racial tension.

In some ways, "Aztlan" is like a novella, or a very short story. It is very tightly written, and HST begins by placing the scene:

"Morning comes hard to the Hotel Ashmun; this is not a place where the guests spring eagerly out of bed to greet the new day. But on this particular morning, everybody in the place is awake at the crack of dawn: There is a terrible pounding and shrieking in the hallway, near room No. 267. Some junkie has ripped the doorknob off the communal bathroom, and now the others can't get in - so they are trying to kick the door down."

The ensuing exchange between HST and a clerk about the new lock on HST's room (which had been ripped off 12 hours previously) becomes a metaphor for the entire story - access is either denied or granted (more on this later).

Ruben Salazar was not only a journalist, he was also News Director for KMEX, a bilingual TV station. He also became very important to HST; he became involved in the story not just because of Oscar, or that Salazar was Mexican American - the story had "all the proper hooks for outrage". HST's motivation was the

"ominous aspect of Oscar's story was his charge that the police had deliberately gone out on the streets and killed a reporter who'd been giving them trouble. If this was true, it meant the ante was being upped drastically. When cops declare open season on journalists, when they feel free to declare any scene of "unlawful protest" a free fire zone, that will be a very ugly day - and not just for journalists."

This serious work. It is not like "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved" or "The Temptations of Jean-Claude Killy". It is likely to be overlooked because people don't want to believe that HST could be so serious. The gonzo method kicks in when the situation needs humor to lighten the story, but it does not distract from the story, only reveals the strangeness that HST feels as "the hillbilly":

"The night before I left town I stopped by Acosta's place with Guillermo Restrepo. I had been there earlier, but the air was extremely heavy. As always, on stories like this, some of the troops were getting nervous about The Stranger Hanging Around. I was standing in the kitchen watching Frank put some tacos together and wondering when he was going to start waving the butcher knife in my face and yelling about the time I Maced him on my porch in Colorado (that had been six months earlier, at the end of a very long night during which we had all consumed a large quantity of cactus products; and when he started waving a hatchet around I'd figured Mace was the only answer...which turned him to jelly for 45 minutes, and when he finally came around he said, "If I ever see you in East Los Angeles, man, you're gonna wish you never heard the word 'Mace', because I'm gonna carve it all over your f--ckin body."

So I was not entirely at ease watching Frank chop hamburger on a meat block in the middle of East L.A. He hadn't mentioned the Mace, not yet, but I knew we would get to it sooner or later...and I'm sure we would have, except that suddenly out in the living room some geek was screaming: "What the hell is this goddamn gabacho pig writer doing here? Are we f--kin crazy to be letting him hear all this s--t? Jesus, he's heard enough to put every one of us away for five years!"

Longer than that, I thought. And at that point I stopped worrying about Frank. A firestorm was brewing in the main room - between me and the door - so I decided it was about time to drift around the corner and meet Restrepo at the Carioca. Frank gave me a big smile as I left.

HST opens more doors than he cares too - squashed into the Salazar story is also Oscar's "Biltmore Six" case, and the murders of the Sanchez Brothers. They were killed when LA police knocked on the "wrong door". The outrage came when public funds were going to be used to defend the police officers. HST writes:

"It sounded like a replay of the Salazar bulls--t: same style, same excuse, same result - but this time with different names, and blood on a different floor."

Coming back to the Salazar murder, HST is surprisingly objective, although he is more than sympathetic to the Chicano cause. He had to find the truth out for himself - was Oscar right, or was there something larger and more sinister at work?

"(It) was difficult, even for me, to believe that the cops had killed him deliberately. I knew they were capable of it, but I was not quite ready to believe they had actually done it...because once I believed that, I also had to accept the idea that they are prepared to kill anybody who seemed to be annoying them. Even me."

There is racism and bigotry, of course, that is clear. But what did become clear was that Salazar was not murdered because of a high-level conspiracy against him. However, while the the death could be dismissed as "accidental", HST notes:

"(H)e was killed murdered by angry cops for no reason at all - and the L.A. sheriff's department was and still is prepared to defend that murder on grounds that it was entirely justified. Salazar was killed, they say, because he happened to be in a bar where police thought there was also a "man with a gun." They gave him a chance, they say, by means of a bullhorn warning...and when he didn't come out with his hands up they had no choice but to fire a tear-gas bazooka into the bar...and his head got in the way. Tough luck. But what was he doing in that place anyway? Lounging around a noisy Chicano bar in the middle of a communist riot?"

The "crude and illogical" explanation by the police began to rapidly fall apart when several witnesses and photographs of the scene appeared, including one man who was told to "get back inside the bar" if he didn't want to get hurt.

HST is later assured by a policeman that the area is "quiet and peaceful" and that it was always a "high crime area". Upon finding out that HST is thinking of writing a story, the officer offers him a ride in a squad car, so he can see how tame the area actually is. The problem is that HST was actually in the area, not pretending to phone from San Francisco.

"Oh, then you've decided to do the story? When will you be in town?"

"I've been here for two weeks," I said. "My plane leaves in ten minutes."

"But I thought you said you were calling from San Francisco," he said.

"I did," I said. "But I was lying." (click)

HST's wiliness magically unlocked the police door - an admission that the area was "stable" when he had witnessed violence left, right and center. After being awakened at his hotel window by one of Oscar's bodyguards, HST decides to have a shower before meeting them at a bar called the Sweetheart, only to find the

"room had no shower. And somebody, that night, had managed to string a naked copper wire across the bathtub and plug it into a socket underneath the basin outside the bathroom door. For what reason? Demon Rum, I had no idea. Here I was in the best room in the house, looking for the shower and finding only an electrified bathtub."

Perhaps one of the guests turned into a nervous wreck about the high-paying hillbilly?

The irony HST feels in dealing with official police sources is revealed at the end, when he calls the sheriff's office after "5:15 on Thursday afternoon the Los Angeles City Hall was rocked by a dynamite blast." The sheriff's office said they couldn't talk about it, it was "out of their jurisdiction". But when he asked "if it was true that the bomb had been the work of the Chicano Liberation Front", they said that it was true, but they couldn't tell HST anything about the CLF, slam! because it was "confidential". Another door locked to any possible truth HST is seeking.

"Aztlan" is a good piece of new journalism; muckraking even. It's easier to pretend that certain people don't exist in your neighbourhood when they are left out of the mainstream media. Twenty four hours after Salazar's death, the news department at KMEX was torn apart and shaken up, so that, in Oscar's words, it would become a "safe Tio Taco station". The "Anglo" owners of the station decided that they didn't want anymore of Salazar's type of coverage. Restrepo now had to ask permission to cover to cover Chicano rallies - "no other TV station in L.A. was interested in any kind of Chicano news except riots." So it is not surprising that there was so much violence - cut off a source of information, censor and sanitize it - what does one expect from people who have nothing to be sure of but their own pride and that they will be pulled over for no apparent reason other than the colour of their skin?

Many have said that HST's writing has a prophetic quality, and that some of his writing fails to become dated. Like the last few chapters of Hell's Angels where he predicted a rise in youth violence, and that the Angels were the least of America's problems, he demands accountibility from those in power. He presents an area of one of the largest US cities and hints at what can be done to fix the problems there before they get out of control.

How many people unlocked "Strange Rumblings in Aztlan" from their memories when Rodney King was pulled over and beaten by the LAPD - twenty years later, fortunately, major news sources couldn't refuse the story that HST could only print in Rolling Stone.

 

LOL im not reading any of that **** bikerboy... call me ignorant or whatever you want, im just not doin it

 

actually i read your first one.... wtf does math have to do with it? obviously its different. and im gonna assume the proofs for that are quite lengthy. im not gonna do it because, well, i dont need/want to. BUT if there was a shorter way of doing the proofs, which way would you use? the short way or the long way? if they gave you the same answer?

 

In case anyone was wondering, I didn't write that last post. Just what I was reading at the time, wanted to see if bboy would read all that

 

hahaha, that's some good stuff....

 

Hmmm. Very interesting. Yes, I see where and what HST is saying. He more or less is trying to collaborate the issues at hand and correlate them with the most current issue that fits in its spectrum. Very interesting reading. I would have never thought you would have written such well sorted and arranged work.

But something tells me that this is not your work. You came in and spoke out in an uncouth manner when I first actually met you and now speak with a high demenor. I wish could meet you and we could have serious in depth conversations regarding very diverse topics. But something seems a little fishy personally, no offense. I have read your substance to your arguements and seem VERY way off from what you posted in those substancial topics. You seemed like you had nothing to base an arguement off of let alone debate in a matter that was adult like and not full of hog wash ****... You posted nothing but pure **** before, no substance, no evidence, nothing. I would have mistaken you for some of the locals here on the sites... You seemed like a complete, well, not so well organized with your thoughts. Well, I commend your increase of brownie points from me as I thought you were not anywhere near you should be mentally. My mistake.

Hey, we will talk again ***** ****a!!! Damn its good to know that there are smart ****** **** who are not complete dorks, or fools that aren't full of it and don't know how to tie their ****** shoe! I grew up fukked up, sort of ( I make the best of my situations) and am not an idiot. That goes along way. No matter what these ***** **** say, I have been through and seen more than they have ever seen , and I have been higher than they have ever been... Pretty good spec's if ya ask me...Good material.... I will read it again to base a solid opinion about it...

 

and then comes this

 

od posted that long before bikerboy.... nice try tho

 

Damn, I was going to give you the damn benefit of the doubt. I guess you are a fool that can simply take info off the internet and copy and paste. I don';t know if you realized but you plagerized like a mother ***. You are not intellegent to write such an article. I pretty much knew but didn't want to
**** talk as you kiddies like to do. I was going to see if you are really as smart as you want to appear to be. You see you and so many kookie blouse werain' fools like your internet character you've created. If you haven't noticed, I am REAL. I don't front, I don't fake to be somehting other than I am. I am ****** me. I don't bitch to be cool and make people like me on this site. I really don't care. But for the onoes who do read and respond to what I write know I can be hella cool and am willing to watse my time to help a fellow stunter. But for the sheep that must feed off of propaganda and fake *** bullsh!t politics on a motorcycle site (that is meant for everyone to enjoy, regardless of whatever and whoever you are to enjoy) I feel sorry for your ***. You are to afraid to be the real you. You are afraid to speak out and voice your opinion. Don't try to do it all on me. That is not you. Do it with everybody. That will show everyone here that you mean what you say and you are YOU. I will NEVER fake my **** like so many of you SOB's....

Wow, you get to add a post to your count you punk (not the rocker either, well, you may be to young to know what that means) and I hope you enjoyed to show how much of a dumb as you made yourself appear....

I got in an arguement with you, You provided no fact, no proof and then concluded to roll you eyes ( ) and say some choice words that you put. I still and will continue to think you are what you appeared and made clear to everyone. You want nothing but a luagh and a post count.

Covert has said he doens't give a rats *** about post counts and niether do I. Go ahead talk your smack and show the ones who see it that your special. Err wait, your right, that's it your right about what you "think", hmm...that's it your a smarty and can prove it throught dumb posts. Your **** is worse than mine... Yeah, I give up. Your soo so right.. I am "dumb and you are smart.

Yeah, your not immature........

Peace out b!tches (no offense to our lady friends here ).....

 

nice try doing what idiot? I was pointing out how bikerboy didn't read od's next post saying he didn't write it you stupid fawk. Connect your fingers to your brain before you start typing bitch.

 

For one, b/c I know how to. I know how to read unlike your pathetic dumb ***.

And two B/c I respect a b!tch even like you to read what you have to present and see where you are coming from. What you are trying to insinuate, what your goal of this conversation is. As I knew, you are doing nothing other than be a joker or to make posts counts. I know your pussie type. I used to beat asses like yours in high school. Dumb *** pussie loud mouths tyring to be funny all the damn time with no respect for themselves or when to tone down their mouth. Why? "cause they wanna be funny Ghah hyuk, ghahh hyukkk, I am a dumb ***

I don't think you realize how STUPID you are making yourself look. I mean you are presenting to the public that you are smart and have sense but then post this after making your original post. Yeah, you are a very mature person. I am trying to end this **** but you dumb *** kids keep on coming on. Too bad your asses can't cash the checks your mouth writes. I am not getting angry if that's what you think. Why would I when I already know I would pulverize you to pieces, easily. I would out score you one any test for mental potential. You don't have **** on me, so why would I be angry or disapointed by an *** like yourself? I am already above you by faaaaar in physical and mental capabilities.

Drop it son. Just drop it. I need not say any more you plagerizing punk.

Ok, try it again. Talk smack. I am smarter by your statements. You said if I'd actually read it. Now ask yourself, would a dumb *** read it all? Mor elikely than not, NO. To stupid to even have the will to. OK. Now here is a pic of me. I have posted this before and I don't like to. I hate to show off whther it be brains or brawn. I hate it. But since you think you are stronger than me in all areas brains/strength, lets see a real pic of you.... A REAL one my special comprehensive reading friend.

Man, I crush you. Top 6'3 and 270lbs.....and I hope you train in the fighting styles, ALL of'em. I'll crush you PUNK ((it means homosexual youngster.) At least they have the guts to claim to the public about themselves and are real unlike you punk closet ***))!

Yeah, I am a nerd like that one newbie said, yeah, ok...I gots nothing against him, he's new, but your asses have been aroundf or awhile and know, he doesn't.... I have never seen a nerd as tough as myslef....I guess I am truly unique. Which means I am NOT a wanna-be hype. Like I have said I AM REAL MAN punk..

You have shown yourself. You have shown yourself to be a kid with ignorant points of view. Good luck on anyone taking you serious kiddoe...

Peace punk...

I hope we don't meet at any stunt shows. I won't be offensive, ever, but I guarantee he'll be a TOTALLY different person. I guarantee. You ever seen a 19-25 yr old "man" cry? We can make things happen if you sign a contract stating that no legal reprocussions will be proposed on myslef... Just like Tenny 44 looking for his fight. I'll fight you in a fun battle. I think it would be great. I love to get involved in the physical sports. I also love to get involved in the mental battles against professors against the groups of students. Have you ever had your mind throb? A group of PhD SOB's competing in a mental battle against yourself.... I love it...

If you come with the dumb *** **** you say man, oh man blah blah with no substance you'll be a laughing stock sir. Just out of curiousity, you must have been laughed at. If not, then over here you must get ready 'cause I don't know who WOULDN'T think your mentally challenged......

 

Dang B.B. you lift weights? Are you natural or have you ran a cycle or two? Reason I ask..I'm 6'2" 208-212 I find it hard to really put any more weight on(muscle) I find it that the taller guys w/longer arms and legs dont get the same results as say a shorter armed/legged guy. Myself and a buddy started lifting together we both ate and lifted what was recommended for our perspective weight and body type. He seen faster results than myself. I always felt he could go heavier due to not having as far to push the weight. Does that make sense?

Oh well...I want to get more size but naturally. I'm not into the other avenues.

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