Do we need a stock and a modified class at competitions?
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this discussion has prompted some great replies and has also probably opened everyone's eyes a little...
i dont really have a problem with judging and i prefer to just ride my best...if i got 5th and honestly feel i should have gotten 3rd, i dont bitch, i walk away with self satisfaction. one of the main reasons i compete (besides the fact that i like a challenge and like competition) is to prove myself against the only real competitor-my bike. every day is a battle of control between me and my bike-i usually win and always want to win...
i also enjoy playing devil's advocate and forcing people to reevaluate their own thoughts and opinions...
as far as rainman (kenny) goes, everyone should listen up-the man is a professional in every aspect of the word and has mucho to offer this sport and well as individual riders...
and on that note, goodbye.
kenny, i gotta interview you this week. dont get too drunk before i call!
Peach
i dont really have a problem with judging and i prefer to just ride my best...if i got 5th and honestly feel i should have gotten 3rd, i dont bitch, i walk away with self satisfaction. one of the main reasons i compete (besides the fact that i like a challenge and like competition) is to prove myself against the only real competitor-my bike. every day is a battle of control between me and my bike-i usually win and always want to win...
i also enjoy playing devil's advocate and forcing people to reevaluate their own thoughts and opinions...
as far as rainman (kenny) goes, everyone should listen up-the man is a professional in every aspect of the word and has mucho to offer this sport and well as individual riders...
and on that note, goodbye.
kenny, i gotta interview you this week. dont get too drunk before i call!
Peach
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one of the main reasons i compete (besides the fact that i like a challenge and like competition) is to prove myself against the only real competitor-my bike. every day is a battle of control between me and my bike-i usually win and always want to win...
i also enjoy playing devil's advocate and forcing people to reevaluate their own thoughts and opinions...
as far as rainman (kenny) goes, everyone should listen up-the man is a professional in every aspect of the word and has mucho to offer this sport and well as individual riders...
and on that note, goodbye.
kenny, i gotta interview you this week. dont get too drunk before i call!
Thanks Teach... You are one of the few true professionals in this sport. Also... the above was spoken (written) like a true middle-school Latin teacher. I hope that didn't blow your cover? But since you blew mine... oh well.
But that was my point... just ride. If you ride your best and get 5th, everyone agrees that you should have been 5th... great. If everyone feels that you should have been 3rd, then better luck next time... that is the nature of the beast.
Over and Out
i also enjoy playing devil's advocate and forcing people to reevaluate their own thoughts and opinions...
as far as rainman (kenny) goes, everyone should listen up-the man is a professional in every aspect of the word and has mucho to offer this sport and well as individual riders...
and on that note, goodbye.
kenny, i gotta interview you this week. dont get too drunk before i call!
Thanks Teach... You are one of the few true professionals in this sport. Also... the above was spoken (written) like a true middle-school Latin teacher. I hope that didn't blow your cover? But since you blew mine... oh well.
But that was my point... just ride. If you ride your best and get 5th, everyone agrees that you should have been 5th... great. If everyone feels that you should have been 3rd, then better luck next time... that is the nature of the beast.
Over and Out
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Dude... you know that that is not the case. So please don't downgrade the judges that we have used. Other comps maybe... but we have never just picked someone out of the crowd, and you know that. That was completely not true, and you of all people, should know better.
Thanks for qualifying that "at least to you". But, no disrespect, you never embrased the rules, nor the judging criteria... if you had, you would have probably won, and we all know that. You have only been to 3? Two Daytona events and the first at Pocono in 2001.
Payouts that came out of our personal pocket books. Non sponsored. If you have money to burn-let's look at it. If there were more competitors, then there would have been larger payouts. We are not in the business to lose money. We pay what we can afford. Also see media references below.
Good question... Clear Channel has not embraced it and tried to do away with it all together. I guess that I should have let them. Instead, I kept it going so that we could transition it into something better... enter US Freestyle. We did not want a year to go by without events on the calendar and continue to build equity in the industry. Just like a house... the industry looks for longevity and consistency. We now have over 2 years now of equity in a series of events. We are now recognized by the magazines as a national series, and are taken seriously. To answer the final part of that question... Look at your team mate Thew Blankstrom. What has the Championship done for him? Do this... go on a search engine, and type in his name. What value is it to see your name mentioned in regional and national mainstream media sources? How many more sponsor options does he have now. He is being paid for his image showing up in publications. We created that opportunity, which is far more valuable than an additional $500 to win an event. We have created opportunities that you may never have heard about, but riders were paid due to our referals. Being in S Florida, however, you have not been on the top of my list of contacts.
It was a rhetorical question first of all... and it does matter to me. We want everyone walking away having had a good time, feel as if everything was fair, and with money in their pockets.
If you can show me one dime that I have made on this sport, I would appreciate it. You know better than to accuse me of making money from this sport. I have probably sacraficed more time than probably any other promoter in this industry, and have never asked for a dime in return. You should know that too. Talk to Thew, Ronnie, D-Mann, Nick, Thomas... I work my *** off to help the sport grow, however it may not be displayed on Stuntlife.
If you would like to respond to any of the above, or question any of my dedication to the sport, I would ask you to contact me in person. Call me, you have my number... or e-mail me... you have that too. This forus is not large enough for more detail.
You should know better Gorka...
Thanks for qualifying that "at least to you". But, no disrespect, you never embrased the rules, nor the judging criteria... if you had, you would have probably won, and we all know that. You have only been to 3? Two Daytona events and the first at Pocono in 2001.
Payouts that came out of our personal pocket books. Non sponsored. If you have money to burn-let's look at it. If there were more competitors, then there would have been larger payouts. We are not in the business to lose money. We pay what we can afford. Also see media references below.
Good question... Clear Channel has not embraced it and tried to do away with it all together. I guess that I should have let them. Instead, I kept it going so that we could transition it into something better... enter US Freestyle. We did not want a year to go by without events on the calendar and continue to build equity in the industry. Just like a house... the industry looks for longevity and consistency. We now have over 2 years now of equity in a series of events. We are now recognized by the magazines as a national series, and are taken seriously. To answer the final part of that question... Look at your team mate Thew Blankstrom. What has the Championship done for him? Do this... go on a search engine, and type in his name. What value is it to see your name mentioned in regional and national mainstream media sources? How many more sponsor options does he have now. He is being paid for his image showing up in publications. We created that opportunity, which is far more valuable than an additional $500 to win an event. We have created opportunities that you may never have heard about, but riders were paid due to our referals. Being in S Florida, however, you have not been on the top of my list of contacts.
It was a rhetorical question first of all... and it does matter to me. We want everyone walking away having had a good time, feel as if everything was fair, and with money in their pockets.
If you can show me one dime that I have made on this sport, I would appreciate it. You know better than to accuse me of making money from this sport. I have probably sacraficed more time than probably any other promoter in this industry, and have never asked for a dime in return. You should know that too. Talk to Thew, Ronnie, D-Mann, Nick, Thomas... I work my *** off to help the sport grow, however it may not be displayed on Stuntlife.
If you would like to respond to any of the above, or question any of my dedication to the sport, I would ask you to contact me in person. Call me, you have my number... or e-mail me... you have that too. This forus is not large enough for more detail.
You should know better Gorka...
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Originally posted by gorka
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"It is silly to cart 5 people around the country at the cost of $1000 each to judge just a few hours worth of competitions. Which is why we have used other riders, or industry professionals (like journalists) as judges."
Silly to whom? The competitor that practices his butt off to be the best and travels half the country to an event only to find out some dirtbag was picked out of the crowd to judge him, or another rider standing in the pits with nothing to do and can't do half of what he sees? "Looks like he's hanging off his bike in a wheelie" No, it's called an apehanger, thanks for knowing what's going on, I just drove 1200 miles for what? No offense, but the XSBA has remained a joke to the riders since it's introduction...Well, at least to me. I'll be the bad guy. Two years and still the same pitiful payouts? Someone isn't doing something right. Clear Channel this and that, and empty promises of what the future will hold has kept so many blind to the truth. What doors has this opened for the competitors who put their heart and soul into the series? Just a question, don't get mad for me asking.
So, Kenny to answer your question it matters to the people who ride, but certainly not to the people who make money off the people who ride.
And P.S: I do my own hair.
Quote:
"It is silly to cart 5 people around the country at the cost of $1000 each to judge just a few hours worth of competitions. Which is why we have used other riders, or industry professionals (like journalists) as judges."
Silly to whom? The competitor that practices his butt off to be the best and travels half the country to an event only to find out some dirtbag was picked out of the crowd to judge him, or another rider standing in the pits with nothing to do and can't do half of what he sees? "Looks like he's hanging off his bike in a wheelie" No, it's called an apehanger, thanks for knowing what's going on, I just drove 1200 miles for what? No offense, but the XSBA has remained a joke to the riders since it's introduction...Well, at least to me. I'll be the bad guy. Two years and still the same pitiful payouts? Someone isn't doing something right. Clear Channel this and that, and empty promises of what the future will hold has kept so many blind to the truth. What doors has this opened for the competitors who put their heart and soul into the series? Just a question, don't get mad for me asking.
So, Kenny to answer your question it matters to the people who ride, but certainly not to the people who make money off the people who ride.
And P.S: I do my own hair.
true. I agree on the judging aspect.
...the XSBA/US Freestyle has a great system for judging in place, but I have always felt that the only real way to APPLY that system accurately, fairly, and consistently throughout a series is to have the same panel of 4-5 judges (judges that have the highest knowledge of the sport and of all the aspects of competing) be at every competition throughout the series. This very thing has always made me consider stepping aside and becoming a judge.
As far as the payouts and promises go, I don't blame Ken for any of it, he has worked hard, but at the same time had his hands tied with Clear Channel. They simply won't do anything for us and that is why he's leaving Clear Channel and starting US Freestyle. I can only hope that we will all see a big improvement with this move.
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Thanks Mark... and I agree 100% with your assessment. Our goals have always been the same.
Thanks for the confidence... I hope that we may be able to grow through the change, and be able to contribute more to the riders that in the past.
Thanks for the confidence... I hope that we may be able to grow through the change, and be able to contribute more to the riders that in the past.
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If you ever asked the riders for their input, I never caught wind of it.
[ken]; I do that at the events... you should come some time.
Then why the hell are you walking around every event with a clear channel hat, shirt, etc?
[ken]; Because the job that puts food on my table for my family consists of me coordinating 80 other road race events nationwide. Remember, that is where I met you for the first time, and a road race. When I am at Daytona, (which seems to be the only place I see you) I have the responsibility to oversee the entire event including safety and operation of the races, as well as the freestyle show. I have worn a Clear Channel shirt, because they sign my paychecks.
[ken]; Each time he makes it into a magazine, he should be paid for it. We are all in the same boat. We have to find a way to reduce our expenses and increase our revenue. Let's work on that. What are your ideas Matt?
That's good to know there's no favoritism going on. Good looking out.
[ken]; We favored riders that came to our events.
Key word here is grow. How has the XSBA grown? Again, just a question.
[ken]; 1 event in 2001, 4 rounds + 1 event in 2002, 5 rounds in 2003 + 3 show dates at Prostar + about 10 personal shows for featured riders at other Clear Channel motorsports shows... By the way Matt... what have you done to help it grow.
Nah, I'd rather call you out than call you.
[ken]; Next time I see you, I'm going to give you a great big kiss.
[ken]; I do that at the events... you should come some time.
Then why the hell are you walking around every event with a clear channel hat, shirt, etc?
[ken]; Because the job that puts food on my table for my family consists of me coordinating 80 other road race events nationwide. Remember, that is where I met you for the first time, and a road race. When I am at Daytona, (which seems to be the only place I see you) I have the responsibility to oversee the entire event including safety and operation of the races, as well as the freestyle show. I have worn a Clear Channel shirt, because they sign my paychecks.
[ken]; Each time he makes it into a magazine, he should be paid for it. We are all in the same boat. We have to find a way to reduce our expenses and increase our revenue. Let's work on that. What are your ideas Matt?
That's good to know there's no favoritism going on. Good looking out.
[ken]; We favored riders that came to our events.
Key word here is grow. How has the XSBA grown? Again, just a question.
[ken]; 1 event in 2001, 4 rounds + 1 event in 2002, 5 rounds in 2003 + 3 show dates at Prostar + about 10 personal shows for featured riders at other Clear Channel motorsports shows... By the way Matt... what have you done to help it grow.
Nah, I'd rather call you out than call you.
[ken]; Next time I see you, I'm going to give you a great big kiss.
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i agree, i like the idea of the same judges, but that has just been unrealistic concept.. no way that a company (clear channel) that dont want a leach(XSBA) stuck to their *** is gonna provide their employees to judge something that they just want on and off the track as soon as possible. also, there is no way that anyone who is or was a stunt rider is gonna go to these events for free to judge and there was no money to pay enyone to do it... if everyone was so dedicated to "helping this grow" they would have participated and added their input, ideas, and service to make it better instead of watch from the sidelines and the critique it later. sorry gorka, got mad respect for ya, but dont agree with you on this.. are you being paid to be a judge? if so then NSRA is fortunate enuff to have a bigger wallet than XSBA to pay for your services, if you're not being paid, where were you all year?? NSRA gonna pay you to travel to 10 different states or are the events only gonna be close to home... as far as payouts go, you're right somethin was wrong there, what was wrong was that ken abbott busted his *** to provide most of the payouts from gathering sponsors in the area of the race tracks or companies. all he needed was 15 riders to actually show some heart and loyalty to what he was trying to do... ya that didnt happen.. instead $100 X 8 riders = 800 $2500-800=$1700 .. you do the math! virginia international speedway had 5 riders!!! 5! 5!.. but daytona had a **** load of people there.. everyone get off yer asses!!!!
to "call this man out" when only 5 riders in our wonderful community can make it to an event is ABSURD!! especially since up until now, NOONE has done enything but try to help themselves, not this sport! not one single person has said, ya know what, im gonna put on this event so i can make this sport grow... instead its so they can pocket a lil money or build their own name!! AND EVERYONE HERE KNOWS IT!! it COSTS Ken Abbott to do what he does for us, and anyone who chooses to question his efforts and faith in us must not be as smart as they think they are. and when i went to my first XSBA, i read the rulebook and criteria... and asked nick hill about 50 times what i needed to do... anyone can do the same.
to "call this man out" when only 5 riders in our wonderful community can make it to an event is ABSURD!! especially since up until now, NOONE has done enything but try to help themselves, not this sport! not one single person has said, ya know what, im gonna put on this event so i can make this sport grow... instead its so they can pocket a lil money or build their own name!! AND EVERYONE HERE KNOWS IT!! it COSTS Ken Abbott to do what he does for us, and anyone who chooses to question his efforts and faith in us must not be as smart as they think they are. and when i went to my first XSBA, i read the rulebook and criteria... and asked nick hill about 50 times what i needed to do... anyone can do the same.
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lets talk about who has really done what for our lovely sport
bottom line is that everyone who makes any type of money off of stunting is out for #1
someone who recieves a salary from a job (Ken), whether or not they do anything for stuntriders is definately not in it for the money
so what have you really done gorka??
1000 ft stoppies?
moved to Florida?
made a video?
got paid to do shows?
Judged a florida event?
all that has really helped the growth of your precious sport...
by the way.....you look really good on the cover of that streetracers.com video....im sure you made good money on that deal from an awesome person that you trusted........Im also sure you have always gotten paid all your money from all the great people who promote stunt shows huh??
It was good seeing you in atlanta this summer with Kyle and Chauncey at the AMA Superbike races doing that show that Ken went out of his way to book you guys at $1000 a peice so you could perform in front of 50,000 people and sell lots of merch and **** like that............... Oh wait, you werent there, you stood up that show and made us look bad to the track
very professional
but it sure was nice to double dip on the shows that weekend wasnt it??
and you can say what the **** you want to about me......im unprofessional, im gangsta, I just dont give a ****.....
I ask input from the riders and make **** happen.....I believed in Ken and stuck with him the last 2 years, I quit a business so I could travel to do this
we wouldnt even be having this discussion if the proper changes wouldnt have been made to the xsba....and they still are being made.....you look at the NSRA and say thats awesome and perfect.....but guess what?? anything can seem better than what came first, because it was molded off what we do and changed a bit....
**** aint never going to be perfect............whoop dee doo its X-games 2003 and deegan is still pissed...
what mark have you really made gorka?
you are one of the best in the world, but you are only a superstar on stuntlife
great big fish in a small freaking pond.....
bottom line.....ken only has our best interest in mind and has never ever asked for a dime from us, he has busted his *** and often came out of his pocket to do things
like that alpinestars jacket you have......Corrine didnt know **** about you guys until Ken told her about 1096 and XXX like 2 years ago....its funny...the **** you dont know about your little world superstar
the sad part is that if we were millionaires you would be too...
and this is how you show your love??
bottom line is that everyone who makes any type of money off of stunting is out for #1
someone who recieves a salary from a job (Ken), whether or not they do anything for stuntriders is definately not in it for the money
so what have you really done gorka??
1000 ft stoppies?
moved to Florida?
made a video?
got paid to do shows?
Judged a florida event?
all that has really helped the growth of your precious sport...
by the way.....you look really good on the cover of that streetracers.com video....im sure you made good money on that deal from an awesome person that you trusted........Im also sure you have always gotten paid all your money from all the great people who promote stunt shows huh??
It was good seeing you in atlanta this summer with Kyle and Chauncey at the AMA Superbike races doing that show that Ken went out of his way to book you guys at $1000 a peice so you could perform in front of 50,000 people and sell lots of merch and **** like that............... Oh wait, you werent there, you stood up that show and made us look bad to the track
very professional
but it sure was nice to double dip on the shows that weekend wasnt it??
and you can say what the **** you want to about me......im unprofessional, im gangsta, I just dont give a ****.....
I ask input from the riders and make **** happen.....I believed in Ken and stuck with him the last 2 years, I quit a business so I could travel to do this
we wouldnt even be having this discussion if the proper changes wouldnt have been made to the xsba....and they still are being made.....you look at the NSRA and say thats awesome and perfect.....but guess what?? anything can seem better than what came first, because it was molded off what we do and changed a bit....
**** aint never going to be perfect............whoop dee doo its X-games 2003 and deegan is still pissed...
what mark have you really made gorka?
you are one of the best in the world, but you are only a superstar on stuntlife
great big fish in a small freaking pond.....
bottom line.....ken only has our best interest in mind and has never ever asked for a dime from us, he has busted his *** and often came out of his pocket to do things
like that alpinestars jacket you have......Corrine didnt know **** about you guys until Ken told her about 1096 and XXX like 2 years ago....its funny...the **** you dont know about your little world superstar
the sad part is that if we were millionaires you would be too...
and this is how you show your love??
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bottom line for ME: i will stand by kenneth abbott all the way. he has done so for me and has done so for the 'sport'....
no one here can question kenny's motives...he trully loves what he does and goes out of his way for anyone who supports him, and those who dont necessarily support him but still are able to have an impact on this 'world'.
good day gentlemen,
MR. McNeil....notice how i stressed the mister part!!!
no one here can question kenny's motives...he trully loves what he does and goes out of his way for anyone who supports him, and those who dont necessarily support him but still are able to have an impact on this 'world'.
good day gentlemen,
MR. McNeil....notice how i stressed the mister part!!!
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Thanks
Thanks Ronnie.
It has been exciting watching your progress this year. You have developed each round and have been stepping up your game. You have become an incredible rider, and a true professional.
Thanks Thomas.
I know that you have had tremendous faith in me and my efforts. You know what I go through on a daily basis to keep my "real job" productive, as well as keeping the freestyle activities moving forward. Wouldn't it be nice to let everyone else in on our weekly conversations...
Thanks MR. McNeil.
Besides the fact that you are a temendous rider and a professional, but you crack me up dude. You make me laugh. The mild-mannered Latin teacher from NH... yeah right. Your trust in me means a lot.
For those who have come to the XSBA events, spoken to me on the phone, and/or have gotten to know me usually have the same opinions of me and understand my short-term and long-term goal. None of which include selfish intentions.
And Gorka... I forgot about the Atlanta AMA Superbike race. Perhaps you did too. I set up a deal for you and Kyle, and Chauncey to perform in front of the entire professional motorcycle industy. I had about $20k in sponsorship money riding on the performances at Atlanta. Instead I get Kyle with a broken bike, Nags, and someone else... basically no show. No sponsorship money for the series... and a huge blow to the series and sport. I have had a very difficult time rebuilding the relationships lost that weekend. Even after Kyle and Nags put on a show that war far from stellar...and the track deciding not to have a Sunday show based on Saturdays lack of entertainment... I still went to bat for Kyle and convinced the track to pay him the full amount of $3000, which has cause irreversable damage to MY professional reputation with the facility (which I deal with on a regular basis).
I could have abandoned Kyle, the performance was not worth the amount paid... but I worked for HIM, and got HIM the money, sacraficing myself, while you and Chauncey went to Pensylvania so that you could get paid even more from another promoter. And all this without even letting me know before the event that you would not be there... UNprofessional.
Water under the bridge... let's move on.
Hugs and Kisses.
It has been exciting watching your progress this year. You have developed each round and have been stepping up your game. You have become an incredible rider, and a true professional.
Thanks Thomas.
I know that you have had tremendous faith in me and my efforts. You know what I go through on a daily basis to keep my "real job" productive, as well as keeping the freestyle activities moving forward. Wouldn't it be nice to let everyone else in on our weekly conversations...
Thanks MR. McNeil.
Besides the fact that you are a temendous rider and a professional, but you crack me up dude. You make me laugh. The mild-mannered Latin teacher from NH... yeah right. Your trust in me means a lot.
For those who have come to the XSBA events, spoken to me on the phone, and/or have gotten to know me usually have the same opinions of me and understand my short-term and long-term goal. None of which include selfish intentions.
And Gorka... I forgot about the Atlanta AMA Superbike race. Perhaps you did too. I set up a deal for you and Kyle, and Chauncey to perform in front of the entire professional motorcycle industy. I had about $20k in sponsorship money riding on the performances at Atlanta. Instead I get Kyle with a broken bike, Nags, and someone else... basically no show. No sponsorship money for the series... and a huge blow to the series and sport. I have had a very difficult time rebuilding the relationships lost that weekend. Even after Kyle and Nags put on a show that war far from stellar...and the track deciding not to have a Sunday show based on Saturdays lack of entertainment... I still went to bat for Kyle and convinced the track to pay him the full amount of $3000, which has cause irreversable damage to MY professional reputation with the facility (which I deal with on a regular basis).
I could have abandoned Kyle, the performance was not worth the amount paid... but I worked for HIM, and got HIM the money, sacraficing myself, while you and Chauncey went to Pensylvania so that you could get paid even more from another promoter. And all this without even letting me know before the event that you would not be there... UNprofessional.
Water under the bridge... let's move on.
Hugs and Kisses.
, ya, effu, cuz i know you said yes and i dont play that game!
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Ronnie...payouts shouldn't be based on the rider entry fees anyway. The payouts should be established prior to the event, regardless of the number of riders that show up. You saw what the NSRA payouts were: top 15 riders guaranteed cash + awards. Only 18 riders showed up. You draw it up.
So before anyone knocks Gorka for not wanting to drive across the country for a shot at a $2500 purse, question all those riders that wouldn't even show up at an event with $20,000 in cash and prizes distributed to 15 diferent riders. But don't worry, there were still enough riders there to take home all the money and I'm sure they didn't mind that some of the "top" riders didn't make it.
So before anyone knocks Gorka for not wanting to drive across the country for a shot at a $2500 purse, question all those riders that wouldn't even show up at an event with $20,000 in cash and prizes distributed to 15 diferent riders. But don't worry, there were still enough riders there to take home all the money and I'm sure they didn't mind that some of the "top" riders didn't make it.
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no one is knocking gorka for not driving cross country for a shot at part of $2500
I personally doubt I would do it, which is why I sincerely applaud people like Thew, Dan, Teach, Ronnie and others
He is getting knocked on for questioning the motives of the one person who has probably done the most behind the scenes stuff legitimizing Freestyle Sportbike in the past 2 years
I personally doubt I would do it, which is why I sincerely applaud people like Thew, Dan, Teach, Ronnie and others
He is getting knocked on for questioning the motives of the one person who has probably done the most behind the scenes stuff legitimizing Freestyle Sportbike in the past 2 years
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yo
thank you thomas.
listen up.... i am a HUGE fan of matt gorka, not kuz riding, but because everytime i have been in his prescence he has just been an incredible person... LAST THING I WANT is to "knock matt" or have him upset at me!! AND I MEAN THAT!! we are all in this together. so im not gonna continue goin back and forth, all im sayin is i think some of the things he said were inaccurate and untrue. PERIOD
and B, yer right, maybe payouts shouldnt be based on entry fees, but ken abbott started something that is now the measuring stick for your NRSA, all he needed was a lil help from all of us "riders tryin so hard to make this sport grow" and EVERY LAST ONE OF US would be at an XSBA event next year. instead, you're just starting all over. good luck! if i had insurance i promise i would be there doin my share!
listen up.... i am a HUGE fan of matt gorka, not kuz riding, but because everytime i have been in his prescence he has just been an incredible person... LAST THING I WANT is to "knock matt" or have him upset at me!! AND I MEAN THAT!! we are all in this together. so im not gonna continue goin back and forth, all im sayin is i think some of the things he said were inaccurate and untrue. PERIOD
and B, yer right, maybe payouts shouldnt be based on entry fees, but ken abbott started something that is now the measuring stick for your NRSA, all he needed was a lil help from all of us "riders tryin so hard to make this sport grow" and EVERY LAST ONE OF US would be at an XSBA event next year. instead, you're just starting all over. good luck! if i had insurance i promise i would be there doin my share!
