sounds much better B...

 

I think that the original format would have worked fine if more people had showed up to qualify. Like B said you would have only got the most well rounded out of 40 riders, but since there were not alot of people there, some qualified that maybe would'nt have if there had been a broader range of talent. I like the new idea as well, and plan on supporting the NSRA no matter what. I think that it is an exelent idea, but like any other new idea.....it has some bugs to be worked out. I am confident that Dirty B and NSRA staff will make things as fair as possible!


Joe

 

like you!!


jk

 

And yourself...............ohh wait..........you didn't go! Loser. Call me at the shop.

 

by "all -around" do you mean your technical score that you recieved from all the controlled events?? if so, i think you got it perfect.... i definitely think that to find the best rider on that day, it needs to be the person who ultimately can score high enuff in each controlled event and then put em all together in a freestyle run with style and play to a crowd later on.. whoever can do it all will win... whoever cant will not..

for instance: do qualifying, then say, ok, each of the qualifiers will now compete in :

CONTROLLED STOPPIE -25%

CONTROLLED WHEELIE- 25%

CONTROLLED BURNOUT- 25%

SICKEST TRICK- 25%

Technical overall score for Gorka = 10

now the riders will put it all together in a freestyle run judged same as xsba or very similar.

Freestyle overall score for Gorka = 3

Gorkas overall score = 6.5 (how did this guy qualify, lol)

anyways, enuff from me, just tryin to lend my opinion to help out.. lookin good guys! LATA!

 

i agree that about 25% of the riders that made it to the finals did not deserve to be there .or in fact had no business being there in the first place. but do to lack of particapation by all you that didnt show up thats the way it had to be.some of the riders that placed high would have never made it to the finals because they just couldnt ride a bike.sorry but its true you need to be more than a one trick wonder to make it in this game.but besides all that i had a great time looking foward to the next one and hopefully all you haters will get off your *** and show up at the next one because there is no excuses.show up or shut up. oh and go out and get on your bike and learn some of the basics so your ready for the next one. thats all im an ******* i guess

 

since this thread is about stock and modified it does not matter to me. my bike is clost to stock but i know that going into a comp i am competeing against modified bikes. if it was a problem for me then i wouldnt compete i doesnt matter a bike is a bike hand brake sprockets so what.. i will go against anyone any bike im not saying i am better just that it doesnt matter to me what bike they are on. the judges understand the difficulty level of each trick with gears without gears, with or without a handbrake so it makes it all equal

 

but DO they? getting off topic kinda, but i dont see any specific categories that are judged in the freestyle...all other categories are obvious...sickest trick is a judgement call just like freestyle, but there are rules and guidelines...still need to be some guidelines (similar to xsba) regarding the freestyle portion itself.

so gorka, dirty, whoever else judged: are you REALLY differentiating betwn a four combo wheelie with a handbrake, with gears, without gears? and how?

i love to play the devil!

Teach

ps. dont worry, i havent forgotten about you guys...the phone call is in the mail!

 

what i think you guys will have that we lacked this past year in the xsba was a consistant judging panel.... thats probably the biggest step to being able to keep everything nice, organized and fair i reckon... i appreciate everyone answerin my questions... gorka, yer hair is flawless, i bet you make a great judge!

 

obvoiusly rider C gets the gold-much more difficult. however, what if i was in 2nd gear with my 66toof? then that is basically the same as first gear on a lesser geared bike...so my question changes to: "do you KNOW who has what gears/brakes/etc, and are the JUDGES (not just you) skilled/knowledgeable enough to know when i am in second gear and rocking it at 5000rpm down the whole track?"

this poses somewhat of a dilemma because it leaves too much value just to someones opinion...there are no rules against hand brakes or big gears, yet you are penalized (in a way) for having them...the only thing they should really affect (if we are comparing windscreen wheelies) is difficulty level. but again, what is more difficult: the highchair scrape with big gears and no brake, riding smoothly in and out of it...or the tall screen wheelie with normal stunting gears, with no scrape???

almost too nitpicky...

keep the conversations going, it will only help us progress.

i agree with ronnie, the main problem of the xsba (besides the xsba itself- US Freestyle was/is the best thing going for xsba) was that there was no consistency in the judging panels or the judging itself for that matter.

i felt all season that someone doing a three combo wheelie a foot off the ground was not judged any differently then a three combo wheelie real tall-like, and then back tot he pegs....

sure, it often showed in the overall scores because if your wheelies sucked, most of your run prolly did too...but it was very nearly impossible to differentiate btwn the two as far as scoring in that particular area....

am i rambling? maybe...give me a few minutes to get some coffee...

Chris

 

Consistent judging is key. No matter what, people are going to complain about the judges. It happens in every sport that has a judge, referee, official, etc. But since the judges will be the same at each event, their scoring will remain consistant. I was very confident in the judges that I selected for this event. I feel that they play one of the most vital parts of making the competition fair and accurate. After seeing them in action at our first event, I am more confident than ever that I selected the best individuals to represent the NSRA.

 

Well, I'll have to agree with that...........but only from a SCRAPING stand point.............but is that all we're really talking about ?!?!
Let me start with the huge sprocket.........the huge sprocket gives the bike so much torque and makes the throttle so twitchy that it becomes a lot harder to be as smooth as you can be with stock gearing..........so now it's easier to be smooth with stock gearing than it is with a huge sprocket, so do you take away difficulty points from someone that's smooth with stock gearing vs. someone that's as smooth with a huge sprocket??? In my opinion (caution: just my opinion) but no you should not.
And how about the hand brake..........yes a high smooth wheelie of anykind has always been more impressive to be than a scrape, so again I do agree with ya there. But I do a lot of cool new tricks with a hand brake that is not possible (yes not possible I promise you) without one ............so do I get penalized for doing new, innovative, and yes difficult new tricks simply because I have/require a hand brake?!?! no I should not.
My opinion (caution again) simply stated is this........we should not be judged on our bikes (what we've done to them or haven't done to them).........We should only be judged on what we can do
on that bike, regardless of what "kind" of bike it is. Hand brakes, huge sprockets, whatever do not make things easier, they make new things possible.

the end
Mark

 

mark,

excellent point, and one that i agree with...i think...if we start judging riders by what they do on what kind of bike they ride, it opens up a whole can of worms...there are no rules against this, so it really should not come into play...

that was where i was trying to go with my prior post...even if i have a big sprocket, if i am in second gear, it takes that 'advantage' away...

dirty, i dont know the other judges, but i am confident in your approach. i also dont necessarily think the judges were bad, or off, (especially since i wasnt there), this discussion will only improve overall judging...and you are correct: consistency with the judges is key-both the same physical judges as well as their consistency with their scores...

keep up the good work.

gorka, lets hear what you think on mark and i's posts...

Teach

 

i think what matt meant by his post was this.... yes, you are able to do trix on your bike that "cant be done without a thumb brake". but if a rider does a trick that is less innovative, but very difficult without a thumb brake or gearing, he will score the same as you will, or possibly higher,for doing a no throttle hand high chair.. if this judgement isnt in effect as far as what is difficult and what isnt as difficult due to mods, then we will all be forced to change our bikes to "keep up" with the trix that arent doable with our bikes the way they are. yer not gonna be penalized, you just arent gonna be wiping out the comp just because you have modifications! ya heard? ok, gotta go, bye!

 

you must be talkin to reality ronnie.

what kinda score would a skitch into a ghost rider smash in the judgin table be worth?? and what side you sittin on?

 

gorka isn't even going to see the bike coming at him ronnie. he is too busy talkin **** about how he could do it better and how u guys need to work on your stoppies, or some other bullshit. the guys was like fukken thinking he is a celebrity behind the table. where is my water? where is my shade? i want some peeled grapes and someone fanning me w/ a palm. i was like gorka aren't you gonna watch the run? he said *** it i know who my friends are and that is how i am voting and if u don't like it to go *** yourself. i was gonna beat him up but i figured everyone on stuntlife would hate me.

hi matt

 

LMFAO

 

Great posts guys........



Now back to the topic .... I dont think you need all this stuff (sprockets,renthal bars,etc.) to be competitive.....everyone STFU and ride .....Maybe you will do better next time when there are more riders at the event .........if you dont know by now you never will.........

 

The most important part of a competition is being fare and consistent. If you are consistent in your judging, your decision making, and your evaluations, then you remain fair to all competitors. The minute that you change the rules, criteria, or point system, you lose the consistency therefore your fairness.

Keep it simple... simple for the riders to know where they stand during the competition, and simple for the spectators to know where the riders stand after. It is a horrible to think that someone who performs the best all-around run of the day, would lose the competition. Because that is what the fans will remember. They will leave thinking that Dan won, but because the runs were averaged, and the best run thrown away, Teach won instead. It ruins the fan experience.

I have offered to help Brian with the NSRA, and Barnes with the Lonestar Biker Bash... with over 15 years of competition experience in motorsports, and 3 years now operating the XSBA, we have a good basis for helping other promoters iron out the bugs. We don't see them as competitors, we are all in this together... but we need to make it right, have one set of standards for rules, and competitions... and stick to it.

There will always be questions about judging... but if it is easier to understand, then it eliminates those questions. Then it comes down to the jugdes. As long as they are credible, then it closes the door to even more questions. Regarding the concern for consistent judges at XSBA rounds... always a concer, however a mix of judges also allows for less favoritism, and provides a mix of views through the season. It is silly to cart 5 people around the country at the cost of $1000 each to judge just a few hours worth of competitions. Which is why we have used other riders, or industry professionals (like journalists) as judges. This will be different with the US Freestyle series that will be introduced to replace the XSBA in 2004.

Final words:
Keep the judging simple. Make it easy to understand, and easy to know where the riders stand throughout the competition. Be fair and consistent with every decision. And most important... have fun. If it is not fun, then it is not worth it!


Peace,
THE RAINMAN

 

I agree with DV8 Ronnie 110%... Gorka does have the best hair of any judge that I have ever seen...

Can you tell us your secrets Gorka? What color are they using now? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe you can at least give us the name of your hair dresser? j/k