I JUST JUMPED ON TO EBAY TO CHECK OK SOME STUFF AND I SAW THESE NEW CAGES.


edited by David P.O.B.


Ok I am sure that I am going to hear a ton of negative and flaming comments about deleting this post but this is just how it is. Shugga asked me to moderate this Stunt Discussion forum and I am doing so.

I am not sure if things just have not been clearly laid out in the rules or not but let me put it in a way that hopefully everyone can understand. NO ONE can advertise for any cages, 12 bars, frame sliders or anything like that unless it is made by FREESTYLE INGENUITY. That is just the way that it is.

I am sure that many people on the site don't agree with this but Shugga keeps getting hated on for being loyal to a contract with FI when no one understands exactly what is going on. You guys can hate me all you want, but I am just doing my job as a Moderator here on Stuntlife. The fact still remains, any advertising that is not FI will be deleted as soon as it is read by a moderator.

If any of you have any problems, questions, complaints, or comments, please feel free to PM me. Thanks.

 

I saw this and didn't consider it advertiseing, but I guess that is why Greg put you in here to help babysit me . The guy had no affilation with that cage at all. It is like me saying I found a steering dampner or glass ***** on ebay....I'm not selling them but I found a good deal on them. Hopefully this crap gets straightened out soon because it is going a bit overboard lately .

 

hell yeah this is bullshit. i could see if someone put up a big advertising campaign but for someone who isnt even involved in the company. theyre just doin a service to the public. i thought you guys were all about helping the sport? guess i was wrong, you just want to start a monopoly. PERIOD.

you dont like the fact that there are better cages on the market or even equal cages so you get all pissed and delete everyones threads about cages. pretty weak. just shows you dont have confidence in your own product.

 

His site.....his rules

 

please see paragraph one of my post where i said "Ok I am sure that I am going to hear a ton of negative and flaming comments about deleting this post but this is just how it is. Shugga asked me to moderate this Stunt Discussion forum and I am doing so."

 

i saw i just think its fuked up when all i hear is DO IT FOR THE SPORT. then i see bullshit like this at least once a week.

 

Oooh...ooohh! Got a link?

 

David I bought your cage and have been very satisfied with it...but people should have the right to discuss cages pros/cons on the messageboard. I can't say about every reply if there were advertising or not, but the original post had none. No link, not even a company name. We don't know what the details of your contract with stuntlife are all about, maybe you should lay out the guidelines....clearly. Also, isn't it a conflict of interest that you moderate this forum? Just my

Kevin

 

Ok, I am really trying to avoid an argument with anyone about all this, like i said, I am just doing what Shugga asked me to do. And I am not trying to offend anyone with my reply's so if I do offend you, please let me know and I will apologize publicly.

You are right, the initial post didnt have any advertising in it other than he posted a link, saying go here, buy these, they are this price, and let me know what you think. Do you see what I mean? And just as in every other cage thread on the message board, everyone then jumps in with there two cents about how their cage is the best and you should all contact so and so at this web address and only pay this much for an awesome cage.

Whether or not people want to see it, I seriously only edit threads where there is advertising involved. And it is only because once again, Shugga asked me to. If you think that it is a conflict of interest, maybe you should take that topic up with him. The only reason I posted the lenghty reply was to try to explain to everyone why material such as the posts in this thread get deleted.

just as eric_24 said "his site.....his rules"

 

Not trying to argue with you, just trying to get a clear idea of the guidelines. Thanks

 

can we make a thread about Boycotting Freestyle ingenuity?

 

did u really find a glass *****????

 

You all need to realize what an advertising contract is. I know certain pro athletes that can't take pictures with fans if the fan is wearing a competeing companies merchandise. Its a contract and Shuggs is just trying to honor a contract with someone that spent money to advertise on his site. So why would he let someone else come on here and make money off of something he created and built with his own money.

 

I find this to be hilarious, this is going to do nothing but hurt business for FI. I for one will not buy an FI product strictly because of their marketing tactics or the fact that maybe FI has no clue as to how people's suggestions are being bastardized because of the word of mouth advertising factor and these moderators are ruining their image.

 

Well, this is where it gets sticky. Is stuntlife a business, or is stuntlife a (free?) community where people can get together to share ideas about stuntriding, bike setup, whatever.

Hosting costs money, vbulletin costs money, etc etc.. not saying that shugga isn't entitled to recoup the costs of running the site, but i think most people here see this as a free community where they can gather to speak their minds, and "further the sport".

When people are censored; specifically those who seemingly have nothing to gain from what they are saying (i.e. people talking about stunt-related products sold by businesses they aren't affilliated with), that starts to annoy everyone. I didn't see this post with it's original content, so i can't say what was in it, but if this guy has no affilliation with the company selling those cages, and he's just trying to help out his fellow stunters by posting about a product he found.. yet the thread is still censored because stuntlife's cage contract precludes even the mere mentioning of other manufacturers.. that is what isn't sitting well with people, i think. It certainly doesn't help FI's image when there are already enough people badmouthing their cages, and now it seems like FI is trying to keep people from finding out about their competition's products.

I guess my point is.. it's one thing to have a "community" with sponsors.. we all see the banners, we know that those guys spend money to support the site, and that gives us all a positive image of them. It's reasonable to expect that the sponsors' competition can't come on here and try to advertise their own products.. they aren't sponsors of the site. It is, however, another thing to have a community with exclusive sponsors, where threads get censored because the "sponsors" don't want the people in the community to be able to make a choice between the sponsor's product, and the competitions' products, or even discuss the differences between them. That casts the sponsors in a negative light (imo).

 

I DIDNT MEAN TO START ALL THIS TROUBLE. JUST WANTED TO SEE ABOUT THE CAGES. I MEANT NO HARM. PLEASE FORGIVE ME AND DONT BEAT ME. ILL BE GOOD I PROMISE.

 

Guy's and gal's the last thing any of us want to do is make people angry but it has become apparent that no matter how hard anyone tries someones gets bent. All I ask is for you to understand that there is a business relationship in wich FI pays for the exclusive right to advertise for cages, slider, 12, bars and any other product we make. This is a standard in just about every industry. If you allow comments about other competitors then you have everybody buddy going, I have this from such and such and it works great. Now he claims , I was just talking but he is only using the angle to advertise for his friend or sponsor. I ask that you put yourself in my shoes and see how upset you would be if you came up with a pretty good invention and everyone started copying it and then they began to advertise for free where your paying to advertise. I also have patents pending on these products that are being copied. Again, how would you feel.

 

Hey I got a Idea for everyone! Build your own ****! It's cheap, it's easy, it's fun! You too can be a fabricator! Just send me $199.95 for detailed instructions!

 

wow. what industry are you talking about. and big retail store sells ALL brands of the same products. it actually helps both companies because now customers can choose between two dif products that for the most part are dif prices and qualities. certain people always buy the best and certain go with the cheaper model. so both companies win. when you go to any bike shop do they only sell one type of exhaust, bike, jacket, etc.? at the grocery store do they only sell one type of beer or cereal? at a sports store do they only sell one brand of *****? hell no!! you are tryin to monopolize by banning others products from competing with yours. and in turn you are seriously hurting the sport and for sure you are hurting your own image by tryin to ban any thread that has anything negative about your cages. i do understand your contract but dont understand how this happens in just about every industry when in reality it doesnt.




your contract limits the profits stuntlife could make and also hurts your sales in the process.

dont get me wrong, you guys did alot to help the sport grow but now you are helping to keep it in the same place.

 

I've been using the internet long before the web has existed. I've seen this situation crop up on several occasions.

What makes the internet interesting to people, is the ability to communicate. Censoring that ability or lessening it in any way (short of filtering inappropriate content - ie pornography, bad words etc...) leads to a loss of users. Right now Stuntlife.com is the site to visit for stunting information and discussion.

If the users feel they are unable to discuss their sport fully on this site, it won't take long for someone else to get another site going - it would take me about a day. Right now Stuntlife.com has a huge userbase, but users are about as captive as their attention span and it is really, really easy to distract them to another site. Take a look at Gixxer.com – they have a ridiculous number of annual paying users and pull in fair bit of advertising revenue – they continue to grow because of relaxed rules and free market competition.

My suggestion for FI and Stuntlife.com is to allow any discussion. Don't permit competitive advertising or links to competing websites, but allow the comparison of products. This also means letting people put down FI products. The key to selling something on the internet is service. When users see that FI stands behind their products, is willing to address the concerns of users in a public forum and are willing to improve their product in a competitive market, they will naturally be drawn to those products. Don’t forget to allow other manufacturers the ability to advertise on the site – it’s ok to have a title sponsor, but you shouldn’t ignore the competition.

Censoring statements about other products frustrates users and makes them wonder about the quality of FI products and their ethics in censoring a free speech medium.

These are just my opinions based on about 17 years of participation in public internet/bbs forums. There’s no need to heed my warnings, you’re guaranteed to learn on your own.

Nicholas