F4i stunters & gurus please give me some advice

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Old May 1, 2013 | 09:13 PM
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F4i stunters & gurus please give me some advice

This is my post from a month or so ago and everything that was goin on

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first let me give you some back round on the bike, 02 f4i 14,000 miles has factory sprockets and chain, pcIII (micron high mount map, no map for the m4 high mount) stock filter, m4 high mount exhaust, lowered 2 inches in the rear (rear shock had to be stiffend for the lowering plates to fit). ok the problem im have it the bike is hard a heck to clutch up it second gear, im fullly commited and and just cant get it to happen. Yesterday i was crusing in second around 6k pulled in the clutch hit 13k and released the clutch, the bike lifted 2 feet and came back down. i know these bikes are sit down champs even had a guy who does stunt try it with no dice, clutch seems to be fine but does let out all the way at the top of the clutch release. andy suggestions or pionters?
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Now the changes I have made were a different map ( bike seems to ru. Better and pull harder) raised it back up and set the rear shock to factory dampness, I haven't rode much since that post. Today I had the bike out and figured I'm 2nd gear clutching this thing if it kills me, I hit a long straight rode with a friend on a busa, 30 mph pulled the clutch In have about quarter throttle and snapped the clutch out and nothing happened. So pissed off I slow back down pull the clutch bounce the limiter and the bike lifted 2 inches. Now I heard my weight (240) could be the issue but doubt it, second I heard the oil could be the issue and that's what I'm leaning towards, bike has standard oil not for a wet clutch. The other day I topped it off with valvoline made for the wet clutch and believe it or not the bike was coming up, now I have nothing.
Sorry for the rant I'm just frustrated
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Kevin

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Old May 1, 2013 | 09:19 PM
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Re: F4i stunters & gurus please give me some advice

And it was motorcycle oil not car oil
Old May 1, 2013 | 09:46 PM
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Drain all your oil, get a new filter, drain plug washer and proper Motorcycle oil ASAP.
Run Honda, Motul or other 10-40 MOTORCYCLE oil from your dealer. Never put non-motorcycle oil in your bike again, that's just ridiculous. Change your oil often and with the right oil. I think I used almost a full 4 qts when I had my F4i. You usually do not need to "top off" if you change regularly and your bike is in decent shape.

That said, I highly doubt this is a mechanical issue, but another thing to look at is clutch freeplay, make sure it is adjusted properly. If it is not you may have already toasted it.
Have your chain and sprockets checked too (or post pics), they don't last 14,000 when riding hard. When you replace try a small gearing change like -1 front, +2/+3 rear.

Your weight could be the issue, but if you use your weight correctly you could make a 250 come up in second.

How are your 1st gear wheelies? Second gear should come later, and possibly a little slower than 30 when you clutch it up.
Make sure your rear brake is in proper working order and you know how to use it, or give up now.

FYI- Wheelies are dangerous and you should not be "pull the clutch bounce the limiter" if you don't have a solid base of practice and understanding of your machine.

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Old May 1, 2013 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Standupnfall
Drain all your oil, get a new filter, drain plug washer and proper Motorcycle oil ASAP.
Run Honda, Motul or other 10-40 MOTORCYCLE oil from your dealer. Never put non-motorcycle oil in your bike again, that's just ridiculous. Change your oil often and with the right oil. I think I used almost a full 4 qts when I had my F4i. You usually do not need to "top off" if you change regularly and your bike is in decent shape.

That said, I highly doubt this is a mechanical issue, but another thing to look at is clutch freeplay, make sure it is adjusted properly. If it is not you may have already toasted it.
Have your chain and sprockets checked too (or post pics), they don't last 14,000 when riding hard. When you replace try a small gearing change like -1 front, +2/+3 rear.

Your weight could be the issue, but if you use your weight correctly you could make a 250 come up in second.

How are your 1st gear wheelies? Second gear should come later, and possibly a little slower than 30 when you clutch it up.
Make sure your rear brake is in proper working order and you know how to use it, or give up now.

FYI- Wheelies are dangerous and you should not be "pull the clutch bounce the limiter" if you don't have a solid base of practice and understanding of your machine.
The oil that was in the bike was motorcycle oil, but if I can remember right it was just cheap stuff off the self to put in the bike over winter, the topping off I did was to replace a little bit of oil I drained to check the condensation in my crank case. My clutch seems fine doesn't slip from what I can tell, also had a couple people ride it because I thought something was wrong with it. And my wheelies are fine if I'm not on the f4i I'm on my dirtbike or quad always sharpening my skills (with rear brake and throttle control that is), this is the only bike I've ever had a problem with
Old May 1, 2013 | 11:02 PM
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Re: F4i stunters & gurus please give me some advice

I gave you solid advice and you replied with rationalization after rationalization.

Good luck then.
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Re: F4i stunters & gurus please give me some advice

Your clutch seems fine from what you can tell so you had other people ride it because you thought something was wrong with it... Set the freeplay right or have a mechanic tell you if there is an issue once properly set.

If you can't remember what oil you have in and have to check for condensation (wtf) just change it with new oil and a proper filter.

Bikes require proper maintenance to preform well.

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Re: F4i stunters & gurus please give me some advice

remove the lowering link
Old May 2, 2013 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Standupnfall
Your clutch seems fine from what you can tell so you had other people ride it because you thought something was wrong with it... Set the freeplay right or have a mechanic tell you if there is an issue once properly set.

If you can't remember what oil you have in and have to check for condensation (wtf) just change it with new oil and a proper filter.

Bikes require proper maintenance to preform well.
advice is advise but you dont have to belittle somebody about it and the oil was castrol 4t that was put in it, and yes i had condensation in my case and i wanted to make sure it was condenstation and not coolant
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