I learned on stock, with no 12 bar, and I'm glad I did.

Was a lot easier.


I still watch my friend that has CRAZY gearing on his f4i (+20 -2) and he struggles to get idle.. I keep telling him gearing is retarded and holding him back, but hes set in his ways (and its been over a year hes been stunting and still can't hold idle..)

People that DONT have gearing, just use gearing an excuse for not being able to ride slow wheelies.
Then you watch them change to gearing, and ride just as choppy if not more choppy

video of my first day scraping, with stock gearing, before I ever even rode a geared bike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sucTCeLpJjY




If you can't rock idle, gearing wont help IMO except for highways...
But hell, I still rocked 3rd gear on my f4i no problem with stock for a loong time before I got gearing.


edit: IMO gearing wont help at ALL unless you can already rock under 15mph steady. Once you get below 10mph, is when gearing starts to be needed or you need to start slipping the clutch

 

well i never tried slow stuff on a stock bike. i currently ride a brand new r1 with stock gearing and that **** is not gettin slowed down to idle haha. it has nooo low end power in fist gear. i rode 1 stunt bike in my life for about an hr and i was clutching from a stop/roll and i got idle a few times within an hr.

either way it makes sense what youre all sayin. id like to learn slow stuff as close to stock as possible.

 

rockin slowon stock is no big deal

 

from the looks of your avatar i dont think you can really say to much about going slow lol.

everyone is right and everyone is wrong at the same time, sure if you gear way up its gonna be twitchier and harder for a newbie to hit BP before running our of gear which would make it way harder for them to slow back down to an idle to ride it. most newbies are afraid to throw it right to or past bp which is what you have to do with big gears unless you've been ridin for a while and can slow down easily. but if your runnin stock gears and go beyond bp at idle newbies will tend to overbrake and stall and mousetrap themselves and i did it once while learning idle as well, i guess its a part of the learning curve but i think in Kyd's case he will get it fairly quickly and i believe at least some gearing will drastically help him to learn as well, besides if you catch idle with stock gears your doing 10-15mph which is def fast for lot stuff and unless your OMR and can slip the clutch constantly you'll have a much harder time of learning other tricks and stalls n O's n such. i'd say go up like +6 just in the rear until you learn on the street to rock bp controllably then when you start learning idle you'll catch on quick but you won't be going 20mph doing it, and once you get idle on lock then you can just go -1 or -2 to slow down some more for turning O's n stuff, if you go up to far you won't wanna do regular street rides cuz you'll be screamin all day. thats what i did and i love the -1 +10 on my 636 for the lot and street stunting but its no longer a general riding bike and the exact reason i'm buying a new one for those rides

 

i have a +56 but i think i'll put a +52 on because i think the +56 is too twitchy to learn on

 

for the street you don't need to put gearing on it just get it up higher but if you want to ride the lot and the street go +10 in the rear thats what i have on my 04 636 and i love it my bike tops out at about 130 mph

 

I too learned on the same bike, I was using 14/52 from moto-heaven, 199 for sprockets and chain. Street use a little high in the rpms but I mostly trucked it to a spot so I could get it home when I'd break something. looking back it's all about the launch, snap it to BP don't chase it there, weather its 10-20 mph with stock or nearly stopped with some gears clutch it up to BP, get behind and start slowing.
If you need a sub frame I got an xtra in excellent cond.

 

i posted one of these threads once n darius marked me down

 

im more of the street type of person, so i think ima go with a +8 in the rear and if i want to later on i'll get a smaller front to give it a lil more. this is my daily driver n i dont wanna be screaming constantly. i know that im going to be tho. once i learn the basics and get all the tricks down im probly going to be turning this bike into the lot bike and gonna pick up a 05-06 636 later on in my career as a :

 

hahaha you got the right idea i think Kyd

 

I learnt BP on an sv650, where the throttle was pretty much on or off. then i moved onto a gsxr with +10 and found the transition easier because I was used to a fuckload of engine braking.

Imo gearing does make it easier to learn as its easier to bring the bike up, and you have more engine brake to save you when stuff goes wrong. On the flip side its also twitchier so its one of those personal preference things.

 

.... its a few years later now (digging through the grave of old post) bet you ******* are not riding stock sprockets now.....