Charge Money For Shows
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From: Indianapolis, In
Re: Charge Money For Shows
Happens all the time! not a real good answer to it, i just try and provide them the stats from past shows etc... and remind them, that they do get what they pay for. I also invite them to other shows so they can see exactly what they are paying for and the difference between a free show and a produced show by someone who has a clue about what they are doing...
As of this moment, Vertical Limits is registered as a sole proprietership, come jan 2009 I/we (Myself, E-brake, Brandon Taylor) will be incorporated
and yes they will be the principals. As of now, they do not benefit tax wise for charity shows... ie... that's why we raise money through the sponsors for each show. For them to actually gain from the tax write off, they have to do over $3500 in write off's for the year and charity's are not allowed to write off more than $2000 per company... That comes from my accountant, not sure how it applies state to state. So in a sense, you will not benefit by only doing one charity event per year, which is why we do 3-4. But the point is, you can still make money off of the events. It's called work and it doesn't involve the bike....
As of this moment, Vertical Limits is registered as a sole proprietership, come jan 2009 I/we (Myself, E-brake, Brandon Taylor) will be incorporated
and yes they will be the principals. As of now, they do not benefit tax wise for charity shows... ie... that's why we raise money through the sponsors for each show. For them to actually gain from the tax write off, they have to do over $3500 in write off's for the year and charity's are not allowed to write off more than $2000 per company... That comes from my accountant, not sure how it applies state to state. So in a sense, you will not benefit by only doing one charity event per year, which is why we do 3-4. But the point is, you can still make money off of the events. It's called work and it doesn't involve the bike....
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From: St. Augustine, FL
Re: Charge Money For Shows
My frustration is that we are trying to build up a good show and a team in the middle of a stunt infested area of amateurs. It's sooo tough!!! We took over the bike night at St. Augustine that was run with stunt 904 when all of that went down, and the owner cut us down a lot in what he was paying 904 compared to us, because he'd never heard of the company....no regard given to it being all of the same performers, minus stunt 904.
Plus then we get other teams who book shows, and then give bad names by vandalizing property, riding without safety precautions, etc. and then ruin it for us. We can't even get permits in Daytona without a few strings pulled!!!
It's enough to make me consider giving up from event promotion honestly..I'm so freakin' frustrated with this area. It seems like the only other decent bike night around with a stunt show is the one that Kirby is running with Tony L and whoever guest rides each week in Sanford. Other than that it's just small teams who ride for 5 minutes at a time, sometimes under the influence of whatever their hobby may be, and then call it quits....it's no wonder that no one wants to pay for a show around here.
Any advice from other promotion coordinators?
Plus then we get other teams who book shows, and then give bad names by vandalizing property, riding without safety precautions, etc. and then ruin it for us. We can't even get permits in Daytona without a few strings pulled!!!
It's enough to make me consider giving up from event promotion honestly..I'm so freakin' frustrated with this area. It seems like the only other decent bike night around with a stunt show is the one that Kirby is running with Tony L and whoever guest rides each week in Sanford. Other than that it's just small teams who ride for 5 minutes at a time, sometimes under the influence of whatever their hobby may be, and then call it quits....it's no wonder that no one wants to pay for a show around here.
Any advice from other promotion coordinators?
try that for a start...
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From: milton, wi
Re: Charge Money For Shows
yes, that was a favor to my sponsor, showtime motorsports, to promote stunt wars for the next weekend.....i learned my lesson, and that's why i was so pissed when they told me to vend in the gravel at stuntwars.....it was also a way to get a vending spot for ama race weekend, which didn't work out because of the rain anyways....
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From: TLstunts.com
Re: Charge Money For Shows
few things...
Promoters will always try to screw you and keep the $$$ for themselves....
Don't Undercut other riders. stick to your price they will pay.
Dont go behind other riders backs and steal the shows they setup so you can get a free trip.
Dont Lie to the riders when the promoters assistant is going to tell the riders that you really did the shows for free.
your worth more than 100.00 a rider. think of it this way if you fall and break your subframe, rear peg, case cover your paying to do a show for someone.... dont be scared not to get a show there will be more. i'd rather do 3 good paying shows a year than 20 100.00 shows
DONT DO SHOWS IF YOUR NOT CAPABLE OF PERFORMING UP TO PAR (shows arn't circle pit and combo sessions) keep it safe, do the **** you know how to do and can hit every time, Play up to the crowd & make sure you dont overload the show with too many riders 2-4 are safe depending on the area
Promoters will always try to screw you and keep the $$$ for themselves....
Don't Undercut other riders. stick to your price they will pay.
Dont go behind other riders backs and steal the shows they setup so you can get a free trip.
Dont Lie to the riders when the promoters assistant is going to tell the riders that you really did the shows for free.
your worth more than 100.00 a rider. think of it this way if you fall and break your subframe, rear peg, case cover your paying to do a show for someone.... dont be scared not to get a show there will be more. i'd rather do 3 good paying shows a year than 20 100.00 shows
DONT DO SHOWS IF YOUR NOT CAPABLE OF PERFORMING UP TO PAR (shows arn't circle pit and combo sessions) keep it safe, do the **** you know how to do and can hit every time, Play up to the crowd & make sure you dont overload the show with too many riders 2-4 are safe depending on the area
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From: milton, wi
Re: Charge Money For Shows
few things...
Promoters will always try to screw you and keep the $$$ for themselves....
Don't Undercut other riders. stick to your price they will pay.
Dont go behind other riders backs and steal the shows they setup so you can get a free trip.
Dont Lie to the riders when the promoters assistant is going to tell the riders that you really did the shows for free.
your worth more than 100.00 a rider. think of it this way if you fall and break your subframe, rear peg, case cover your paying to do a show for someone.... dont be scared not to get a show there will be more. i'd rather do 3 good paying shows a year than 20 100.00 shows
DONT DO SHOWS IF YOUR NOT CAPABLE OF PERFORMING UP TO PAR (shows arn't circle pit and combo sessions) keep it safe, do the **** you know how to do and can hit every time, Play up to the crowd & make sure you dont overload the show with too many riders 2-4 are safe depending on the area
Promoters will always try to screw you and keep the $$$ for themselves....
Don't Undercut other riders. stick to your price they will pay.
Dont go behind other riders backs and steal the shows they setup so you can get a free trip.
Dont Lie to the riders when the promoters assistant is going to tell the riders that you really did the shows for free.
your worth more than 100.00 a rider. think of it this way if you fall and break your subframe, rear peg, case cover your paying to do a show for someone.... dont be scared not to get a show there will be more. i'd rather do 3 good paying shows a year than 20 100.00 shows
DONT DO SHOWS IF YOUR NOT CAPABLE OF PERFORMING UP TO PAR (shows arn't circle pit and combo sessions) keep it safe, do the **** you know how to do and can hit every time, Play up to the crowd & make sure you dont overload the show with too many riders 2-4 are safe depending on the area
+1 +1 tony is talking to the scabs that went to china last month for free.....
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From: St. Augustine, FL
Re: Charge Money For Shows
we really don't wanna get into this do we Ryan? I made money off of that show and will be when my whole team goes back... so make sure you get your story straight and check yourself, i'm not your local wanna be...
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Re: Charge Money For Shows
NO you went for free....do you think i was born yesterday?
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From: St. Augustine, FL
Re: Charge Money For Shows
no Ryan, here is why i went and not you...
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6/10/200810:14:13 AMKareemCharlesgot to be humorous a bit too6/10/200810:14:17 AMKareemCharleskind of a joker6/10/200810:14:23 AMCharlesKareemexactly!6/10/200810:14:33 AMKareemCharlesgotta work the crowd, get them off their seats6/10/200810:14:40 AMKareemCharlesthat is what Ryan s. can't do
I made money, maybe not much off of B.G., but i made money, so consider this squashed... no need to bash one another... it is what it is
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6/10/200810:14:13 AMKareemCharlesgot to be humorous a bit too6/10/200810:14:17 AMKareemCharleskind of a joker6/10/200810:14:23 AMCharlesKareemexactly!6/10/200810:14:33 AMKareemCharlesgotta work the crowd, get them off their seats6/10/200810:14:40 AMKareemCharlesthat is what Ryan s. can't do
I made money, maybe not much off of B.G., but i made money, so consider this squashed... no need to bash one another... it is what it is
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From: milton, wi
Re: Charge Money For Shows
lol so your telling me i don't know how to perform in front of a large audience....wow....this is getting too funny
reason i didn't go-i had a show that i made 800 dollars take home, why would i pass that up to go to china for my 6th time for 2 weeks and not make any money?!
reason i didn't go-i had a show that i made 800 dollars take home, why would i pass that up to go to china for my 6th time for 2 weeks and not make any money?!
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Re: Charge Money For Shows
any stunt rider would go to china for free one time.....gurantee it....and BG knows this......that's why stunt riders will no longer get paid to go to china.....
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From: Indianapolis, In
Re: Charge Money For Shows
[quote=Ryan S;3385097]lol so your telling me i don't know how to perform in front of a large audience....wow....this is getting too funny
umm actually thats what kareem wrote......not chuck. chuck did you say that ryan cant ride? no didnt think so. i think somebody just wants to have a **** talking contest.
umm actually thats what kareem wrote......not chuck. chuck did you say that ryan cant ride? no didnt think so. i think somebody just wants to have a **** talking contest.
