Teach-- lets hope the bike can keep oil pressure next time! I saw the bearings, yikes!!!!!!
Dave told me how hes gonna fix the problem though. Hes a MAD SCIENTIST!!!!!!

 

My thoughts exactly! Also, I think it is funny for people in this industry to dog other riders because they can ride a 12 O'clock now. Just remember everybody starts at the bottom and has to work there way up. I know I started on the highways just like 85% of the teams here did. It's called evolution and you naturally follow your roots. I treat every rider with equal respect as they could easily be the next Kyle Woods, Matt Gorka, Etc with enough time and determination.

You can't have a new team go demanding $$$ from potential sponsors. They will just laugh in their faces and go to the next team that will take their offer. Now if that team makes the sponsor money do you really think they are just going to give them free shirts . It's works like this- "You scratch My Back And I Scratch Your Back". The more you give to their plate the more they will bring to your plate.

I do this because I love doing it and NOTHING ELSE. If one day we do get paid for doing it then great, but until then I will continue doing shows to make the crowd happy and myself happy. If we land a sponsorship that will sell us parts at or below dealer cost...then great. If we land a sponsorship that provides us with free riding apparel...then great. Either way, it turns into money as it is less money coming out of your pocket. However, if your new bold ideas work then good for you . I will be the first to congratulate you and wish you the best of luck. I personally have a different outlook on things as it is only human nature.

The question should be, what can we do to make the audience larger during the XSBA events? Does the crowd really want to see a winner that did not fully execute a trick? This is the crowds sport as they are going to be the ones making us money. If we can't give them what they want, then sponsors will never jump up to the plate and hand out money. If there is no crowd who is going to buy the sponsors product. If nobody is buying the sponsors product, why should they give us any money? Sure we are risking our lives, but the majority of us are doing simply because we love it.

I am not disagreeing with your ideas, yet just shining some light on a sponsors outlook. It is up to the teams to make a name for themselves in this industry. Take Triple xXx for instance, just two years ago they exploded into this industry. Now they have sponsors knocking on their door and doing paid shows in ARUBA . If you have the right attitude and goals...the sky's the limit!!!

 

OK I've been keeping this on the Low down , but *** it-this is big and could help us all!!!!
I am working on a proposal to the city and county of Denver, CO. in reference to opening a strip that is isolated from the city area where stunters can go for it. Even starting it with admission to make the city money. I'm working on the proposal and will post it when done. Imagine all cities taking que and going along with this. We are gonna stunt one way or the other, this way its truly controlled and safer than slicing through traffic, and the city can even make revenue off of us being more responsible. In closing, think of it as a skate park, it gets the majority of people of the street which equals less patroling time wasted by your local police!!!
PS Thomas, I agree, a new mag that just came out had a bunch of outdated info and pix, and i found about 10 misprints related to stunting, send me that **** to proofread or somthing.-d

 

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first off there is my reply to the bus thing Rodg.... and I also told you that I would send you whatever you needed as far as product goes....U never replied back to me...

the offer is still open?!?!?!

oh and rodg, I wasnt referring to you about the sponsor thing... we discussed that it was cool..... I talked to a few sponsors that said they sponsored XSBA teams and the teams mentioned werent in the xsba at any point..... but i didnt and will not loud anyone out

what you said about minimum requirements is what im talking about, but some of yall dont seem to get what im saying!!!!!!!


Im not saying..... we are to good to ride 4 free, just be about the money, **** sponsors, yadda yadda yadda

I am saying...... Ride all you want, sell and trade merchandise, look for sponsors, yadda yadda yadda

AND IN THE MEANTIME DONT SELL YOURSELF AND OTHERS SHORT BY TAKING SCRAPS FROM THESE SPONSORS/PROMOTORS/MAGAZINES

DO NOT LET SOMEONE ELSE TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE WORTH!!!

---Jimmy how would you feel if Vortex gave you guys $1,000 and free product all year in 2003, then in 2004 the dropped you guys and sponsored some other team, just because the other team took a deal for nothing but product at cost....do you get that??? some other team just sold themselves short... and sold u short too!!!

or what if you guys were discussing with a promotor about doing a show for like $5,000 and some other team contacted the promotor and said they would do it for $2,000 and **** you out of the deal??? they just sold themselves short.... and u too!!!!

or what if you made it onto the cover of a national magazine but they did not even say your name/website??? are you gonna be like "I love it, its the best" or are you gonna let the people at the magazine know that the mag is nice but they screwed up??

---Yo check it out.... Im gonna be a distributor of beanie babies.... Retail on them is $5.00... im looking for teams to sponsor.... all the beanie babies you can buy for $2.50... and you put beanie baby stickers on your bike and links on your website and ****.... this offer is open to all teams.... who wants to be sponsored by beanie babies????????????? come on everyone let me scratch yalls backs

who the hell needs some damn beanie babies anyways


---Im just trying to help us all out.... if i gotta be the ******* and open some peoples eyes then so be it

If you are in a situation with a sponsor/promotor and its a sincere growth process for you both then ok.... do whatever you want, as cheap as you want

---its like this.... if Mountain Dew called me and said hey we want to develop something with you guys, give you some merch etc and see where we can go with it and possibly talk about some cash next year.... Great im all for it!!!

but if they called me and 10 other teams and said uhh hey we wanna sponsor you and send you a case of soda, id tell them to politely **** off
if we all told them to **** off then they are going to offer at least one team some cash.... then when team A gets cash from Mountain Dew, mello yello is going to go thru the same thing trying to offer all of us free sodas... when we turn mello yello down then they are going to offer team B some cash, and so on and so on

do yall not understand that ****?? if we all take every BS offer that comes our way its just going to be harder and take longer for the good offers

its like you make $15 and hour at your job and you get fired because some joker will do the same job for $8 and hour

he just undercut you and he undercut himself because he didnt know how much he was worth

its ok to scratch backs and develop relationships with people, Ive done it all year last year

just dont pigeon hole yourself into a bum deal and sell all of us short

---I would damn near go do a show in aruba free if someone paid my travel expenses..... but I aint gonna tell no ****ing promotor that.... It would **** XXX out of a show and I would be shitting myself out of money in the meantime

---and 9 times out of 10 if you agree to claim someone as your sponsor because they gave you a few shirts... then thats all you are ever going to get out the deal.... why should they give you more??? then when you negotiate year 2 and want some cash... they are just going to go with the next free team and drop you like a schoolgirls panties

---say you are a sponsor and impact video is your stunt team.....you gonna give impact a dollar off on your videos because they are selling more now than they did last month??

or turn it the other way around and say they sponsor you... are they going to pay you more money per video just because they are selling so many??

 

Point #1 what you do is dangerous and potentially law suit inducing. Not many big businesses would risk the potential lawsuits involved in sponsering a stunt team. Point #2 once you fall under the legal jurisdiction of a "stunt team" you are legally bound to perform or NOT to perform in such context as to misrepresent said sponser. What that means is that once you sign a contract with a sponser, you can pretty much forget any and all stunting outside of a controlled enviornment. Case in point, 1997 when Gary Rothwell was pretty much kicking the **** out of every venue in the US with his tricks, friends of mine came up with a sucker willing to wager $3000 that he could beat our boy (Gary) in a distance wheelie contest. We provided the bike and the money for him to go , but when his manager got wind of the situation all bets were off. He was legally bound to perform the next day at Daytona and could not risk the potenial damage that might be incurred. Bottom line is this, be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. If you want to take the plunge into the corporate world, be prepared to play by THEIR rules. Just keep your heads up and know what you're getting in to.

 

am i one of the only people that rides for fun?

 

I am with u Hayez.......strictly for fun up here man.
Well fun and the challenge of pushing my bike skillz to new limitz.

Cheerz
SK

 

ding, ding, ding. folks we have a winner. this is exactly where I was going w/ my anti street movement.

and the corporate world is being overwhelmed with requests from "street teams". also every video on the market today depicts said activity, they are going to want to sponsor that?.

SAID WHEELIE OPERATORS ARE SABOTAGING ANY CHANCE ANYONE HAS TO MAKE THIS SPORT HAPPEN.

believe it or not I ride for fun. do you know how fun it would be to travel the country and ride a bike that is paid for by a corporate sponsor and perform in front of thousands of people?

i'm guessin it WILL be a lot of fun.

 

i agree to a point. small time business (that's all we have around here) are reluctant to support a stunt team cause of the cost. montgomery motoxtreme is just now up and coming, we're still learning.... and getting pretty good..... but we go through levers, frame sliders, headlights, turnsignals, and engine casings like they are bubble gum.

that's why we don't get support. we're a high liablity sport.... probably the largest. though it would be nice to be sponsored, don't count on it.

oh, and not to mention that the cops consider what we do reckless endangerment, hence.... illegal.

 

If you could get a quarter of the people that watch NASCAR to come to a stunt show, sponsers wouldn't care if you were stunting one-off West Coast choppers.

 

I SUCK

 

only if you stay gay with me....

 

teach and ang sittin in the tree.... neither one could ride a good wheelie..... tried to power it up..... tried to pop a clutch....1st time they hit 12 o'clock they landed on thier butts

 

 

out of the horses mouth the two biggest reasons the big 4 wont acknowledge us are;

#1 we dont ride brand new model bikes every year, therefore how would we help them sell any new bikes like racers or MX riders who always ride bikes from the current year (not to mention the fact that almost all of our bike look ratty as hell)

#2 They do not want to endorse actions that may potentially cause warranty returns, such as blown motors or cracked frames
(remember the 2000 model gixxer headlight tabs?)

as far as public perception on "wheelie bikes" suzuki is still the #1 stuntbike(this we all know is stemmed from the LVX videos) Ive heard that personally from suzuki, honda and yamaha reps


Our scene is advancing along really well..... have patience and dont go head over heels for every little "deal" that is thrown your way--- dont sell yourself short--- thats what this thread is all about

in the meantime--- im going to get me a sponsor, I gotta get this mello yello logo scanned and get me a nice big sticker for the side of my bike and its on!!!!!

why dont we all just pick a sponsor, put thier logo on the side of our bikes and then see what that does....hmmmm??

 

i agree with some of the comments. but not everything is cut & dry. one of the threads mentioned CCE with fmx,monster trucks,etc..
i am a fulltime monster truck driver, been for a little over 13 years. most of the events i do is for CCE. this sport is goin to take off in a big way ! one of my friends in tv was telling me they are looking for a sponsor for a full tv series(show) on a major channel. every sporting competition have alot in common. people might not agree with everything CCE does, but they have alot of power to make this sport huge. they do things for a reason. you don't become that big of a entertainment company by not having a clue. we don't always agree with them but they do know there stuff.
as for sponsors and things like that :
you are always goin to have people doin stuff for nothing , and it will probably get into people low ballin prices on paying teams to come in. it happens to us all the time. the thing you have to try to do is market yourself. try to give a promoter a package that he would want to pay your team the big bucks to come in. we get low-balled sometimes by a grand or two sometimes. i tell the promoter he gets what he paid for. it pisses me off though !
it gets hard but you have to try to focus on your own program.
the sponsor thing is right , your job is to get as much as you can, the sponsor wants to get as much coverage as possible. i wouldn't sell yourself short. that kind of exsposure can be worth alot. image is everything !!!!! we have a pretty good sponsorship portfoilio. if anyone would want some help in putting a portfolio together i can try to help if you want. i learned alot over the years. my email is john@suddenimpact.com
sorry to be so long winded and off the track, but it doesn't matter if you ride for fun or for a living as long as you ride. trust me, there are alot of people lookin at this sport !!!

 

[QUOTE] Originally posted by DSOG Thomas
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Im not saying..... we are to good to ride 4 free, just be about the money, **** sponsors, yadda yadda yadda

How far is trading stuff with other teams going to last? EVERYBODY has to START somewhere and doing the above things is a perfect way to start out. Have you ever seen "8 Mile" before? Do you think Eminem walked up to a record label and said "I am a great rap singer, so bring me to your record label company and cut me checks". No, he took warehouse gigs and worked his way up to the top and got RESPECT.

It's called Business! If you haven't learned what the concept of business is yet, then just maybe we need someone else running the XSBA. Would I purposely sell a team short...HELL NO. Like I have preached a thousand times this sport is about RESPECT. Obviously a sponsor is going to take the best deal in sponsoring a team. Just like you are going to call ten different Tire companies to find out the best price before you go buy the most expensive make & model. The same rule applies to EVERY purchase made in your daily life...Unless you are a millionaire.

As far as the magazine approach goes. I see it like this, any publicity is GREAT publicity. Should the teams get credit for their pictures being used...obviously. Yet, if you get lucky enough to be on the front cover of a national magazine like Dan Jackson did it probably doesn't even matter. It would be better of course, however sponsors are going to find out who he is eventually and eat that **** up.


This would be a great deal if it only applied to our sport. Once again it is called BUSINESS. Either you learn it or you don't. You work your way from the bottom to get to the TOP.


I still don't see how you are trying to help us out with a Logical Business approach? It certainly sounds good, but then reality steps in and we realize it will NEVER happen.

Ding...Ding....Ding...we have a winner Bob! Any opportunity is a GOOD opportunity when you are working your way up to the top. If your team is already at the top then obviously you will have more leverage to play with. It seems like your approach is more geared to team like Star Boys, Triple xXx, 1096, Team Xtreme, Etc. If this is the case, then sure I understand where you are coming from and your view points.


We understand, but does that mean we have to agree with you...NO. Luckily, I am pretty well educated and realize how businesses are run and what it takes to keep them running. You can't just go walk into a large corporation and demand money/products. You need to prove to them that you will benefit their corporation by sponsoring your team. It may take awhile to do so, but hopefully the end rewards for both partys were worth it.

Once again....FACTS OF BUSINESS. Are you going to buy an identical bike for $10,000 when you know you can buy it down the road $6,000? The hard facts of life is that the corporations DO dictate what we get because they are in control of the money. Until you become head of your on business you must follow their proposals or demands. It sucks, but then again it is just reality and some people have a hard time understanding that .


If you do get shorted, you simply move onto the next deal and hope for the best. You are not going to win the lottery on your first try, but if you play enough times you just MAY hit it big .


They may or may not. However, if they go back and see how much REVENUE your team made their company then the chances are high. However, if your team made their company no revenue why would they want to extend a better deal to your team?

As far as I go, I have a 2yr old daughter, work full time, and have bills to take care of. I only get to ride once a week, but do my best to keep up with the rest and help this sport grow.

Class is over ladies and recess is in session, so hop on your bikes and show me what you got .

 

I disagree!!

Factory Sponsorships have their hands in....

1. Skateboarding - boards break all the time. It also promotes illegal / dangerous activity for civilians.

2. NASCAR - Cars are garbage after every race & rebuilt.... nevermind if they crash. It also promotes illegal / dangerous activity for civilians.

3. Motorcycle Racing - Bikes are garbage after every race & rebuilt.... nevermind if they crash. It also promotes illegal / dangerous activity for civilians.

4. Motocross Racing - Bikes are garbage after every race & rebuilt.... nevermind if they crash. It also promotes illegal / dangerous activity for civilians.

5. Freesyle MX - Bikes are garbage after every event & rebuilt.... nevermind if they crash. It also promotes illegal / dangerous activity for civilians.


There are tons of sports that degrade product and are still backed by the manufacture. Look at Craig Jones.... he seems to be doing fine w/ Buell. You must remember that it's all about exposure....Good or Bad.

If the sport is attracting people and making money, they back it. What is the cost of 1 bike per show? So they give the rider a brand new bike for every show he does..... 1 bike = $5K. $5K worth of exposure per show = endless $$$$$$$$ ESPECIALLY if the show has 20K people... all who will potentially buy the product and make them tons of $$$$$$

I'm not sure who you talked to but it's only a matter of time before the "big 4" steps in. Right now the $5K isn't worth it. When it is.... in they come!!

Lata,
Bri


PS. Freestyle Streetbike = NO MONEY (as of 5-12-03)