hello guys, i am a total newb here and am new to the whole stuntin game but am trying to teach myself some tricks. anyways is there anybody who stunts a tlr? i have a 2000 tlr with +6 on the rear with a 520 conv and a host of other mods. but i have noticed that this bike is rather hard to learn tricks on. the engine braking is pretty extreme and the throttle response is abrupt as well so it makes smooth throttle control hard to accomplish.

anybody have any good tips on stunting the tlr? i am looking at trying to find a ratbike to thrash and play on but its all a matter of cashflow. and of course i still want to be able to huck a few tricks on the tiller whenever i feel the need. just looking for somebody to give me the finer points of stuning this bike. thanks guys

 

It should be easy to stunt, just do roll on wheelies: 1) put it in first gear 2) back off the throttle at about 1/3 of your total rev'z 3) flick the throttle fully on and the front should come up no problem

 

If i was you i would sell the TLR and buy a F4i and fully stunt it out!!

 

actually i dont even need to chop the throttle to bring it up. with the gearing if i am on good pavemnet with grip it will come up just getting on the throttle hard. hell if i shift into second with any authortive throttle it will pop it up about 4-6 on its own. but that is what makes it a hard bike to stunt (at least to me) in first gear the front end comes up so fast i am afraid i'll loop it if im not watching my *** but if i try to ease off the throttle a bit after bringing the front up the engine braking just about slams the front right back down. i am starting to experiment with slipping the clutch but i have a hydraulic clutch so it doesn't have much "feel" to it. i am in the process of getting the stuff to convert it to cable and maybe that will help.

i can power the front up a bit in 2nd but my stock clutch is on its way out so it makes it hard to get consistent results. and to be honest i have yet to try "clutching it up" as it make me nervous that i will loop it with out meaning to. the bike makes enough torque that i can lift the front just off throttle alone from as little as 2500-3000 RPM

other things i have noticed or need help with:

rolling burnouts: i can kinda do them but even with my wait forward and as neutral a blance as i can manage the rear tire still wants to spit out to the side on me and puts me into a bit of a headshake at leas tas much of a headshake as my ohlins steering damp allows. also i noticed it is more pronounced at lower speeds (10-15ish MPH) than slightly high speeds but i realy dont want to eat it ay 40+ if you know what i mean.

seat standing: i can get my feet on the seat and hands on the gas tank in a crouched position but everytime i start to stand up the bike starts to get a little squirrelly on me like it wants to lean out to the side from me even though i am pretty sure i'm not putting anymore weight on one foot than the other. i have been practicing just standing on the pegs with the idle cranked up and going through turns like that to get used to the bike and how it reacts with the weight higher up i can go through some pretty decent turns at a pretty damn good clip of speed now like this but i just cant seem to get this seat stander to work. i have thought about just trying to jump from pegs to the seat but that sounds like a recipe for severe pain to a novice like me.

sitting on the tank: i can get up there but it is a street bike with the mirrors still so it isn't something i try often having my pant leg get caught once was enough.

gyroscopic effect: one other thing i noticed since it is a vtwin it seems like it doesn't self stabilize like my friends 600 I4 does. sure it is awesome leaned over in the twisty bits and can flick from side to side nice and easy with a very neutral feeling but this same thing makes it kinda sucky for things like the rolling burnout and seat stander as it seems to me the riders balance is of even more inportance than that of a I4.

 

actaully i am keeping a lookout for a decently priced f4i or maybe an oldschool gixxer 1100 or hell even a bandit 1200 to play with. but i couldn't bear to part with my TLR it was my first bike and is some serious fun to haul *** around on the road with.

 

Vtwins Rock :YEAH Put your stock sprokets back on buy some decent body amour and get out there and pratice, once u get used to your bike more put the bigger sprokets back on

 

sitting on the tank is not a trick, rolling on the throttle is a dangerous way to learn to wheelie especially on a torquey tlr, they will blow up if wheelied for too long, and a seat stander is a wheelie.

 

LOL, told you i am a newb LOL but my point is that i am experimenting with the bike and trying to do new tihings on it. and just to clarify why is rolling on the throttle a dangerous way to learn to wheelie?? "clutching it up" is what makes me nervous that i will clutch it into a too meaty portion of the powerband and just instantly loop it on myself. and yes i am aware about the motor wanting to eat bearing if you ride out the wheelies too long but thanks for the heads up anyay it is appreciated.

 

clutch it up it wont loop on you unless you go to big start off clutching it with a little gas then go more and more until you find that perfect spot. it will take a while to get use to but you will get it with practice and do it in 2nd cause in 1st you will loose it trust me ive done it on accident before it sucks. just stay wit it and youll get the hang of it before you know it. as for throttle its hard to catch your bike on the way up and it gets torquey but if your a hard head do it only one way to learn what not to do.... dont say we didnt warn you though.

 

i thought my tlr was a really good bike to learn on. its acually more stable than u think. going from the tl to my gixxer showed me how stable it was.

 

you can stunt anything if it is cheep and you dont care if u are going to break that **** thenstunt the mother fu(ker

 

i'm not looking to stunt this one out completely i just want to learn how to do a handful of tricks on it when i want with minimal muss and fuss hence why i'm asking for pointers and things to look out for on this bike.

other things i am curious about is just how high is the BP on this bike? i have heard that the TLR has a rather narrow BP and can be hard to find it on. also just showing how much of a noob i am how do i go about "clutching it up" on this bike. like i said i am nervous i will clutch it into too fat a part of the powerband and insta-loop it on my ***. is there any preferred gearing to go with on this bike? from what i have learned +6 is rather steep on this bike is there another setup that will soften some of the engine braking? it sucks cause there isn't anybody in my town that REALLY stunts that i could go try to leach some info from. so i am usually trying things out myself without much of a flippin clue if i am doing it right or not.

 

i wouldnt stunt them... ryan smith has this picture (i think might be LB who has the pictures) of a TL that this guy was trying 12s with and he never dropped it, but the front end was sooo ****ed up after the attempts it wasnt even funny...

 

You don't need any gearing at all to pick that bike up,if you think the engine braking is your problem gearing it only makes it worst.Your problem is you don't have any throttle control and are scared to clutch the bike up.Clutching it up is way safer because it allows you to find the balance point at a slower speed.Gyroscopic effect of the motor for stability?Please you are waaaaay over analyzing the whole thing.Put your sprockets back to stock and learn to clutch the bike up to wheelie.Keep practicing and eventually it will come to you,just take your time so you don't get f*cked up.