The Bigger Question.... Direction?
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The Bigger Question.... Direction?
With the many ideas and opinions I'm reading in regards to our sport and it's future, I decided to post my reply in here for all the C6 friends and fans to read. A lot of people wonder what causes poor shows and poor competitons. Well, I have an opinion on that subject and I think we need to re-evaluate our direction and make some changes. Read my reply below and feel free to add your input....
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I think the bigger question we need think about is...
Show or Competition?
Which one will entertains the crowd? Entertainment will create a market. Market will create $$.
Well, here is my take on it the two.....
Competitions
- Comps help grow / mature the sport. It increases talent and creates tricks. But the technicalities it creates causes riders to bore crowds at shows.... especially people who don't understand it. I mean, a wheelie is a wheelie to these people.
Shows
- Shows need to involve more "Danger". We need to increase the "WOW" Factor. We need to entertain these people on pure organized chaos. If we decide to choose this direction, then we need to use Danger to keep people entertained.
Another thing to think about...
People use anticipation to stay entertained. People watch Nascar, Baseball, Motocross, etc. to find out who the winner will be. They want to cheer for THEIR guy. They want THEIR guy to win. They watch THEIR team and hope to win it all in the end. They want victory!! Yeah!! We Won woohoo!! We're involved!! Yea!! Closing the deal!!
Think of it like sex... you date a girl, you take her to dinner, you spend money on her, you bring her home, you bang, all for what? THE ENDING!!
It's all about A-N-T-I-C-I-P-A-T-I-O-N & Closing the deal. It's the self created anticipation that keeps people entertained, involved, and coming back for more. If we don't create some sort of anticipation then we need to create "WOW". With WOW, We need to eliminate the smoothness, the respectfulness, the finesse, and the technical crap that no one but us stuntriders understand. Think about it.... it takes about 30 minutes of wheelies and stoppies before people get bored. People love the occasional burnouts... but do you wanna know why.... Because.... NO ONE HAS DONE ONE FOR 2 HOURS!! They've been waiting for 2 hours for a change. They're just plain bored. And they're waiting for nothing in the end.
So although I think organization is important, I think we need to choice a DIRECTION.
Lata,
Bri
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I think the bigger question we need think about is...
Show or Competition?
Which one will entertains the crowd? Entertainment will create a market. Market will create $$.
Well, here is my take on it the two.....
Competitions
- Comps help grow / mature the sport. It increases talent and creates tricks. But the technicalities it creates causes riders to bore crowds at shows.... especially people who don't understand it. I mean, a wheelie is a wheelie to these people.
Shows
- Shows need to involve more "Danger". We need to increase the "WOW" Factor. We need to entertain these people on pure organized chaos. If we decide to choose this direction, then we need to use Danger to keep people entertained.
Another thing to think about...
People use anticipation to stay entertained. People watch Nascar, Baseball, Motocross, etc. to find out who the winner will be. They want to cheer for THEIR guy. They want THEIR guy to win. They watch THEIR team and hope to win it all in the end. They want victory!! Yeah!! We Won woohoo!! We're involved!! Yea!! Closing the deal!!
Think of it like sex... you date a girl, you take her to dinner, you spend money on her, you bring her home, you bang, all for what? THE ENDING!!
It's all about A-N-T-I-C-I-P-A-T-I-O-N & Closing the deal. It's the self created anticipation that keeps people entertained, involved, and coming back for more. If we don't create some sort of anticipation then we need to create "WOW". With WOW, We need to eliminate the smoothness, the respectfulness, the finesse, and the technical crap that no one but us stuntriders understand. Think about it.... it takes about 30 minutes of wheelies and stoppies before people get bored. People love the occasional burnouts... but do you wanna know why.... Because.... NO ONE HAS DONE ONE FOR 2 HOURS!! They've been waiting for 2 hours for a change. They're just plain bored. And they're waiting for nothing in the end.So although I think organization is important, I think we need to choice a DIRECTION.
Lata,
Bri
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An outsiders perspecitive.....
I've been watching (lerking)this board, and others, for about a year now. My direct intention in the beginning was to figure out a way to create some wealth for myself off of this sport. I was introduced to the sport at Worcester and was fascinated. I immediately bought some videos showed them around and got some good feedback. Problem is your "sport" is unmarketable as it stands. First problem, as Brian nailed on the head, nobody understands your sport. You need to educate your audience. Why was one wheelie better than another, etc. Competition is the way to go. You don't want to become some half time show....instant death. Second problem, dangerous and unlawful image......got to work on that. Corporations won't pay up and parents won't bring the kids with an image like that. I assume kids are your main market. Third, you have no leaders in your sport who are keeping this thing in a focused direction. I suggest you create some sort of Board (for lack of a better word) to govern events and control this thing so it stays focused and keeps progressing in the stated direction (when decided). Last and least important, clean up these boards. If you put links to these boards on your website anyone can see them and the last thing you want is potential fans reading about all the drinking and pot smoking (ie image).
But, what do I know, I ride a Harley.
I've been watching (lerking)this board, and others, for about a year now. My direct intention in the beginning was to figure out a way to create some wealth for myself off of this sport. I was introduced to the sport at Worcester and was fascinated. I immediately bought some videos showed them around and got some good feedback. Problem is your "sport" is unmarketable as it stands. First problem, as Brian nailed on the head, nobody understands your sport. You need to educate your audience. Why was one wheelie better than another, etc. Competition is the way to go. You don't want to become some half time show....instant death. Second problem, dangerous and unlawful image......got to work on that. Corporations won't pay up and parents won't bring the kids with an image like that. I assume kids are your main market. Third, you have no leaders in your sport who are keeping this thing in a focused direction. I suggest you create some sort of Board (for lack of a better word) to govern events and control this thing so it stays focused and keeps progressing in the stated direction (when decided). Last and least important, clean up these boards. If you put links to these boards on your website anyone can see them and the last thing you want is potential fans reading about all the drinking and pot smoking (ie image).
But, what do I know, I ride a Harley.
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Bri-
Well put. Anticipation is huge, you are correct, when we were at psychofest in PA, do you remember the team competiion, there was the group from NY that had one guy jump on another bike, then then another stole his bile, then the piled all the bikes on each other. the crowd went nuts, likewise with the team from Mass, the ones with the yellow quad and red shirts, I'm drawing a blank, during their 'routine' you could tell it was building and they got huge applause.
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Well put. Anticipation is huge, you are correct, when we were at psychofest in PA, do you remember the team competiion, there was the group from NY that had one guy jump on another bike, then then another stole his bile, then the piled all the bikes on each other. the crowd went nuts, likewise with the team from Mass, the ones with the yellow quad and red shirts, I'm drawing a blank, during their 'routine' you could tell it was building and they got huge applause.
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Bri-
Well put. Anticipation is huge, you are correct, when we were at psychofest in PA, do you remember the team competiion, there was the group from NY that had one guy jump on another bike, then then another stole his bile, then the piled all the bikes on each other. the crowd went nuts, likewise with the team from Mass, the ones with the yellow quad and red shirts, I'm drawing a blank, during their 'routine' you could tell it was building and they got huge applause.
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Chris
Bri-
Well put. Anticipation is huge, you are correct, when we were at psychofest in PA, do you remember the team competiion, there was the group from NY that had one guy jump on another bike, then then another stole his bile, then the piled all the bikes on each other. the crowd went nuts, likewise with the team from Mass, the ones with the yellow quad and red shirts, I'm drawing a blank, during their 'routine' you could tell it was building and they got huge applause.
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that first team u mentioned is from pa that was legion......... the second team u spoke of i believe was xclusive freestyle riders!
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Originally posted by WickedRiderRich
I know i gave WOCESTER real danger and the guy who puts it on wont even give me a room to stay in this weekend.
talk about bracking your back for nothing.
I know i gave WOCESTER real danger and the guy who puts it on wont even give me a room to stay in this weekend.
talk about bracking your back for nothing. 
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Originally posted by WickedRiderRich
I know i gave WOCESTER real danger and the guy who puts it on wont even give me a room to stay in this weekend. talk about bracking your back for nothing.
I know i gave WOCESTER real danger and the guy who puts it on wont even give me a room to stay in this weekend.
talk about bracking your back for nothing. Lata,
Bri
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I like to ride, I do not like to watch people ride. For me shows are fun to meet people and chat but the real fun is out on the road. I’ve gone to very few shows because it is boring. Who wants to watch 15 people compete for slowest wheelie and each person gets 3 runs? The real fun is out in the streets or industrial parks. Unfortunately if you want to play with fire you get burnt once in awhile.
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I too tried to conjure up an intelligent response, but I failed miserably and was forced to abort. However, I will attempt to resurrect my post for no other reason than - I am bored.
But I think to grow the sport to a level such as FMX, it's all about the 'WOW factor'. Not about educating fans. Most people go to an FMX show to be WOWED and to watch crazy *****'s jumping **** and doing **** that they would never even think about doing. They don't wish to know the technicalities of the tricks.
A typical response to FMX would be something like this:
"Holy ****, that was awesome man!"
An ATypical response would be:
"Oh my, what a perfectly formulated Saran Wrap. Kudos to that gentleman on the yellow off-road motorcycle."
It's not about attracting new people to the sport. It's about showing them **** that they cannot see outside of that venue. And showing them **** that they just would never do. That's what all extreme sports are all about. You don't want any more new people in the sport per say.... that would just mean more people trying to get a piece of the pie. (And I know how much Bri likes pie.)
But I think to grow the sport to a level such as FMX, it's all about the 'WOW factor'. Not about educating fans. Most people go to an FMX show to be WOWED and to watch crazy *****'s jumping **** and doing **** that they would never even think about doing. They don't wish to know the technicalities of the tricks.
A typical response to FMX would be something like this:
"Holy ****, that was awesome man!"
An ATypical response would be:
"Oh my, what a perfectly formulated Saran Wrap. Kudos to that gentleman on the yellow off-road motorcycle."
It's not about attracting new people to the sport. It's about showing them **** that they cannot see outside of that venue. And showing them **** that they just would never do. That's what all extreme sports are all about. You don't want any more new people in the sport per say.... that would just mean more people trying to get a piece of the pie. (And I know how much Bri likes pie.)
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my .02
To make this sport get to the level that everyone wants to see it get to you have to do two things.
Be a riders rider (shows you have the technical abilities)
Be a crowd rider (ie acrobatics: they will always be wowed by them)
Acrobatics will always entertain a crowd, because they can SEE the whole trick what you are doing with ur body and jumping around and stuff. Technical tricks no one in the crowd is gonna look at your brake foot and be wow! look at the way he is working that break.
Technical will take things to the next level cause everyone is entertained by circle wheelies, no hands etc. A regular 12 will not cut it, it has to be some variation (try looking at the crowd when ur riding a 12 too, it makes a big difference believe me). The more you interact with the crowd the better show it will be.
Entertain the crowd, they tell a few friends, the crowd grows, sponsors see the money in it and the sport will grow
To make this sport get to the level that everyone wants to see it get to you have to do two things.
Be a riders rider (shows you have the technical abilities)
Be a crowd rider (ie acrobatics: they will always be wowed by them)
Acrobatics will always entertain a crowd, because they can SEE the whole trick what you are doing with ur body and jumping around and stuff. Technical tricks no one in the crowd is gonna look at your brake foot and be wow! look at the way he is working that break.
Technical will take things to the next level cause everyone is entertained by circle wheelies, no hands etc. A regular 12 will not cut it, it has to be some variation (try looking at the crowd when ur riding a 12 too, it makes a big difference believe me). The more you interact with the crowd the better show it will be.
Entertain the crowd, they tell a few friends, the crowd grows, sponsors see the money in it and the sport will grow
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Shows will not bring the bucks.
Competitions will bring the bucks.
Shows get boring because shows are suppose to impress and I don't think we impress enough.... or what we do doesn't leave a big enough impression is what I'm saying.
Competitions could be entertaining but we haven't got the formula.
If we create a purpose for a competition, then people will keep coming to back to see the outcomes. It's very complicated but I don't think our sport possesses the "wow" factor. I personally think shows are out!! Shows make us look like circus acts and anyone can do a wheelie. It honestly doesn't matter how hight the damn wheelie is or if you're looking at the camera or not... it's still a wheelie. Face it, everything is a variation of a wheelie or stoppie. It gets old.... and fast. We need to use what we have a get creative with it somehow. Maybe add roll playing Look at it this way.... WWF was nothing until the roles were played. Maybe we could make it fun, creative, have a purpose, and create something that people grow interest in, all the while doing something that not everyone can do.
Just an idea I guess.
Lata,
Bri
Competitions will bring the bucks.
Shows get boring because shows are suppose to impress and I don't think we impress enough.... or what we do doesn't leave a big enough impression is what I'm saying.
Competitions could be entertaining but we haven't got the formula.
If we create a purpose for a competition, then people will keep coming to back to see the outcomes. It's very complicated but I don't think our sport possesses the "wow" factor. I personally think shows are out!! Shows make us look like circus acts and anyone can do a wheelie. It honestly doesn't matter how hight the damn wheelie is or if you're looking at the camera or not... it's still a wheelie. Face it, everything is a variation of a wheelie or stoppie. It gets old.... and fast. We need to use what we have a get creative with it somehow. Maybe add roll playing
Look at it this way.... WWF was nothing until the roles were played. Maybe we could make it fun, creative, have a purpose, and create something that people grow interest in, all the while doing something that not everyone can do. Just an idea I guess.
Lata,
Bri
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Originally posted by Brian_C6
Shows will not bring the bucks.
Competitions will bring the bucks.
Shows get boring because shows are suppose to impress and I don't think we impress enough.... or what we do doesn't leave a big enough impression is what I'm saying.
Competitions could be entertaining but we haven't got the formula.
If we create a purpose for a competition, then people will keep coming to back to see the outcomes. It's very complicated but I don't think our sport possesses the "wow" factor. I personally think shows are out!! Shows make us look like circus acts and anyone can do a wheelie. It honestly doesn't matter how hight the damn wheelie is or if you're looking at the camera or not... it's still a wheelie. Face it, everything is a variation of a wheelie or stoppie. It gets old.... and fast. We need to use what we have a get creative with it somehow. Maybe add roll playing Look at it this way.... WWF was nothing until the roles were played. Maybe we could make it fun, creative, have a purpose, and create something that people grow interest in, all the while doing something that not everyone can do.
Just an idea I guess.
Lata,
Bri
Shows will not bring the bucks.
Competitions will bring the bucks.
Shows get boring because shows are suppose to impress and I don't think we impress enough.... or what we do doesn't leave a big enough impression is what I'm saying.
Competitions could be entertaining but we haven't got the formula.
If we create a purpose for a competition, then people will keep coming to back to see the outcomes. It's very complicated but I don't think our sport possesses the "wow" factor. I personally think shows are out!! Shows make us look like circus acts and anyone can do a wheelie. It honestly doesn't matter how hight the damn wheelie is or if you're looking at the camera or not... it's still a wheelie. Face it, everything is a variation of a wheelie or stoppie. It gets old.... and fast. We need to use what we have a get creative with it somehow. Maybe add roll playing
Look at it this way.... WWF was nothing until the roles were played. Maybe we could make it fun, creative, have a purpose, and create something that people grow interest in, all the while doing something that not everyone can do. Just an idea I guess.
Lata,
Bri
have you seen the way a lot of it is going, riders compete in the x-games however they are on the road 90% of the time doing exhibitions... Is that a side show... no... its a show all in its own, people pay big bucks to go see that. I know we have an FMX show that happens every yr up here and it attracts a LOT of people. What do sponsors want? They want advertising, the more people you get in front of the better it is for your sponsors.
Yes a sponsor wants to see you win in competitions because you looking good is them looking good + additional advertising. You also have to look at it from another standpoint that not a lot of people see. If your team and your team alone is doing a large show, how much more advertising are they going to get? A lot more because it is JUST your sponsors not everyone elses being put out there. One other point, say someone wants to see FMX in person, do you think they are going to go spend $1000 on travel to see a one day show, not likely, they will however go see something that is right in their back yard. See where I am going?
If we want things to head in the same direction as FMX did a few years ago we need to duplicate what they are doing.
I guess there is counter points to everything
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#1 our sport doesn't have what FMX has.....Entertainment Value. Entertainment (in these instances) is created through Danger, Chaos, Impressiveness, and the overall "YOU GOTTA BE CRAZY TO DO THAT!!"... all of which FMX has tons of and stunt riding doesn't.
In all honesty, I think our sport can't even compete with FMX. There is something about a dude jumping 90ft and over 3 stories high that makes people cringe. Look at Evil Kinevil... the dude has been doing that all by itself for years and making people go OMG!!!. Attempting the jump alone is crazy and then you add acrobatics and you got a sure winning combo.
A wheelie is a wheelie. Everyone does them.
Take....
3 story jump vs. wheelie = no comparison (IMO)
That is my point. I know it's tough to pull yourself out of it (I know) but you should seriously take yourself out of the box and think about it a bit.
Bri
In all honesty, I think our sport can't even compete with FMX. There is something about a dude jumping 90ft and over 3 stories high that makes people cringe. Look at Evil Kinevil... the dude has been doing that all by itself for years and making people go OMG!!!. Attempting the jump alone is crazy and then you add acrobatics and you got a sure winning combo.
A wheelie is a wheelie. Everyone does them.
Take....
3 story jump vs. wheelie = no comparison (IMO)
That is my point. I know it's tough to pull yourself out of it (I know) but you should seriously take yourself out of the box and think about it a bit.
Bri
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Originally posted by Brian_C6
Take....
3 story jump vs. wheelie = no comparison (IMO)
That is my point. I know it's tough to pull yourself out of it because (I know) but you should seriously take yourself out of the box and think about it.
Bri
Take....
3 story jump vs. wheelie = no comparison (IMO)
That is my point. I know it's tough to pull yourself out of it because (I know) but you should seriously take yourself out of the box and think about it.
Bri
Thus like I said in my first post you need to be a crowd rider and technical rider. Crowds will always go nuts over acrobatics.. try it next time u do a show, have teach or james or someone do a no throttle wheelie and u do an elevator right next to him..... see who gets the better reaction. This is where I step out of the box, everytime I do a show I pull out all the acrobatic stuff and leave the 12's for home.
Take teachs switchback christ..... u know that gets the crowd going.... even more then a circle wheelie.
Ask anyone that is brand new to this, next show u have go up and ask someone what their favorite trick is... guaranteed its some acrobatic thing 95% of the time. There is a lot of entertainment value to this sport. whether or not its at the same level as FMX is dependant on your own opinion.
Go watch crusties 1 and tell me its more then just long jumps. We were the same way 2 yrs ago, loooong wheelies made a really good vid. Well you can't do really loooong jumps in an arena so it went to variations of short jumps. We can't do long wheelies in an arena either, so variations have developed.
Look at the european guys doing shows, they purposely make themselves look out of control in 50% of the wheelies they do for the wow factor. We just prefer the other style... the smooth and in control style, now we have to figure the twist to put on it that makes it that much more entertaining....... I think its acrobatics.
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I had been out of the bike scene for about 4 or 5 years. I stopped riding before this whole stunt thing blossomed.
I bought another bike 2 years ago. I was on my way to the Vanson open house (not knowing a thing about stunting) cruising down route 24. I look in the mirror and I see this kid coming up on me sitting on the tank legs spread wide open, goes by me at about 80mph in a tank wheelie. I had never seen that in my life. I was like HOLY EFF WTF IS THAT GUY DOING. Then I got to Vanson, there was like 300 people all staning around this open area. I look to see what's going on. Low and behold it's the Starboyz tearin **** up. Tank wheelies, stoppies, 12's you name it I was out of my mind. Very intrigued and interested. I asked around what this **** was all about. The most popular response I got was "Hey check out this Driving To Endager Site" those guys are off the hook.
I rode home fast as **** to check this stuff out. I found the site, I found stuntlife, I was hooked.
Now that in my opinion is the "WOW" factor. Now it's been 2 years and the old saying "A wheelie is a Wheelie" is right on. Go to a stunt show? For what? Pay 20 to 30 dollars entrance fee to see a wheelie? I can see that sort of thing just by asking around when the local stunt lunatics will be practicing.
At first it was WOW holy crap an apehange? Look how high Damiens highchairs are, Boston Stragler what, Holy eff Bri's stoppies are off the Chart, Damn Chris is Nasty, Chauncey well you know the deal.
There was a huge following everyone was pumped because the stunt thing was new everyone was learning new **** pushing the whole thing to the limit. Now it seems the tricks/stunts are all the same.
I agree the WOW factor needs to be upped. A circle is a circle is a cirlce, a 12's a 12, a wheelie is a wheelie, stoppie is a stoppie. People want that edge of their seat feeling that I got the first time I saw the Starboyz at vanson, and the first time I went to bike night then followed the guy to an industrial park. Maybe it's like crack the next high is never the same as the first hit...............personally I'd love to go see a stunt comp and get that felling again that would be awsome. But it seems to be old hat at this point.
Just my .02
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I bought another bike 2 years ago. I was on my way to the Vanson open house (not knowing a thing about stunting) cruising down route 24. I look in the mirror and I see this kid coming up on me sitting on the tank legs spread wide open, goes by me at about 80mph in a tank wheelie. I had never seen that in my life. I was like HOLY EFF WTF IS THAT GUY DOING. Then I got to Vanson, there was like 300 people all staning around this open area. I look to see what's going on. Low and behold it's the Starboyz tearin **** up. Tank wheelies, stoppies, 12's you name it I was out of my mind. Very intrigued and interested. I asked around what this **** was all about. The most popular response I got was "Hey check out this Driving To Endager Site" those guys are off the hook.
I rode home fast as **** to check this stuff out. I found the site, I found stuntlife, I was hooked.
Now that in my opinion is the "WOW" factor. Now it's been 2 years and the old saying "A wheelie is a Wheelie" is right on. Go to a stunt show? For what? Pay 20 to 30 dollars entrance fee to see a wheelie? I can see that sort of thing just by asking around when the local stunt lunatics will be practicing.
At first it was WOW holy crap an apehange? Look how high Damiens highchairs are, Boston Stragler what, Holy eff Bri's stoppies are off the Chart, Damn Chris is Nasty, Chauncey well you know the deal.
There was a huge following everyone was pumped because the stunt thing was new everyone was learning new **** pushing the whole thing to the limit. Now it seems the tricks/stunts are all the same.
I agree the WOW factor needs to be upped. A circle is a circle is a cirlce, a 12's a 12, a wheelie is a wheelie, stoppie is a stoppie. People want that edge of their seat feeling that I got the first time I saw the Starboyz at vanson, and the first time I went to bike night then followed the guy to an industrial park. Maybe it's like crack the next high is never the same as the first hit...............personally I'd love to go see a stunt comp and get that felling again that would be awsome. But it seems to be old hat at this point.
Just my .02
KB
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Originally posted by jimmyjammer
I had been out of the bike scene for about 4 or 5 years. I stopped riding before this whole stunt thing blossomed.
I bought another bike 2 years ago. I was on my way to the Vanson open house (not knowing a thing about stunting) cruising down route 24. I look in the mirror and I see this kid coming up on me sitting on the tank legs spread wide open, goes by me at about 80mph in a tank wheelie. I had never seen that in my life. I was like HOLY EFF WTF IS THAT GUY DOING. Then I got to Vanson, there was like 300 people all staning around this open area. I look to see what's going on. Low and behold it's the Starboyz tearin **** up. Tank wheelies, stoppies, 12's you name it I was out of my mind. Very intrigued and interested. I asked around what this **** was all about. The most popular response I got was "Hey check out this Driving To Endager Site" those guys are off the hook.
I rode home fast as **** to check this stuff out. I found the site, I found stuntlife, I was hooked.
Now that in my opinion is the "WOW" factor. Now it's been 2 years and the old saying "A wheelie is a Wheelie" is right on. Go to a stunt show? For what? Pay 20 to 30 dollars entrance fee to see a wheelie? I can see that sort of thing just by asking around when the local stunt lunatics will be practicing.
At first it was WOW holy crap an apehange? Look how high Damiens highchairs are, Boston Stragler what, Holy eff Bri's stoppies are off the Chart, Damn Chris is Nasty, Chauncey well you know the deal.
There was a huge following everyone was pumped because the stunt thing was new everyone was learning new **** pushing the whole thing to the limit. Now it seems the tricks/stunts are all the same.
I agree the WOW factor needs to be upped. A circle is a circle is a cirlce, a 12's a 12, a wheelie is a wheelie, stoppie is a stoppie. People want that edge of their seat feeling that I got the first time I saw the Starboyz at vanson, and the first time I went to bike night then followed the guy to an industrial park. Maybe it's like crack the next high is never the same as the first hit...............personally I'd love to go see a stunt comp and get that felling again that would be awsome. But it seems to be old hat at this point.
Just my .02
KB
I had been out of the bike scene for about 4 or 5 years. I stopped riding before this whole stunt thing blossomed.
I bought another bike 2 years ago. I was on my way to the Vanson open house (not knowing a thing about stunting) cruising down route 24. I look in the mirror and I see this kid coming up on me sitting on the tank legs spread wide open, goes by me at about 80mph in a tank wheelie. I had never seen that in my life. I was like HOLY EFF WTF IS THAT GUY DOING. Then I got to Vanson, there was like 300 people all staning around this open area. I look to see what's going on. Low and behold it's the Starboyz tearin **** up. Tank wheelies, stoppies, 12's you name it I was out of my mind. Very intrigued and interested. I asked around what this **** was all about. The most popular response I got was "Hey check out this Driving To Endager Site" those guys are off the hook.
I rode home fast as **** to check this stuff out. I found the site, I found stuntlife, I was hooked.
Now that in my opinion is the "WOW" factor. Now it's been 2 years and the old saying "A wheelie is a Wheelie" is right on. Go to a stunt show? For what? Pay 20 to 30 dollars entrance fee to see a wheelie? I can see that sort of thing just by asking around when the local stunt lunatics will be practicing.
At first it was WOW holy crap an apehange? Look how high Damiens highchairs are, Boston Stragler what, Holy eff Bri's stoppies are off the Chart, Damn Chris is Nasty, Chauncey well you know the deal.
There was a huge following everyone was pumped because the stunt thing was new everyone was learning new **** pushing the whole thing to the limit. Now it seems the tricks/stunts are all the same.
I agree the WOW factor needs to be upped. A circle is a circle is a cirlce, a 12's a 12, a wheelie is a wheelie, stoppie is a stoppie. People want that edge of their seat feeling that I got the first time I saw the Starboyz at vanson, and the first time I went to bike night then followed the guy to an industrial park. Maybe it's like crack the next high is never the same as the first hit...............personally I'd love to go see a stunt comp and get that felling again that would be awsome. But it seems to be old hat at this point.
Just my .02
KB
exactly! You are now involved in the stunt scene in some way now so its not new anymore. There are still a lot of people out there that have never seen what we do, the goal is to keep attracting new people to the sport...That is the key to the whole thing. Yeah after 2 yrs you get tired of watching but if you had local guys doing FMX wouldn't you get tired of that as well?
Maybe we need to limit the peeps out at practice spots so when a show / comp comes up everyone will go and see what new things everyone is busting out instead of already seeing it at the practice spots
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From: Attleboro
Hmmm from a viewers perspective I have seen alot. Wheelies of all sorts and acrobatic stunts galore! I must admit that since I have been first introduced to this way back when DTE was just gettin started... I was amazed! Simply for the fact I was a newbie at what I was seeing! So you will always have that part of an audience in the mix. However for the peeps that have "seen it all before"? Well, what else is there? Has anyone gone to an air show? All that is going on is the same thing all the time. Planes flyin around. Loopin, spinnin, divin you get the picture! But...lets take something like the Blue Angels. Craftsmen! Experts at the game. They have every single move planned exactly. At insane speeds! Inches from one another! They always attract every year! They are choreographed marksmen! I have never seen stunts on bikes that include a whole team at once doing crazy **** inches away from another! Yes I have seen duel riders etc but a whole show of controlled insanity? Think of it. 3,4,5,6 riders all at once that have an extreme technical planned out show of insane tricks? How sick would that be? Its always one guy at a time or maybe two but imagine the insantiy and attraction it would bring to the crowd. I mean something as simple (for a stunter that is) 6 guys 3 on both ends comin straight for each other. They all go up at the same time and do precise stoppies incehes from hitting. Then all do circle burnouts and head the other way in twelves? That would be a crowd pleaser anywhere and you really havent done anything different. I hope I made my 2cents clear and ef it if I diddnt !!!! Yeah guy!
