Not to sound like a *** or anything... but thats kinda ****ed up.

 

I was in the Delayed Enlistment Program from Nov 94 to Apr 95. Actually I got a lot of *** in the DEP. It was the start of great things to come...the *** part at least. Between Tech School and then first 3 years in the dorms at my first base you'd think that's all the military is, one big orgy. Sorry, I’m getting off subject.

 

You must of been in the Air Force if you called barracks Dorms.

 

No doubt.

 

Hell, our dorms are luxury suits compared to the **** holes they stuff you guys in. And ya'll laugh at US for wearing a flight suit? Chair Force, Ha! Call it what you will, our living conditions are miles from the other services even when we are housed jointly. Just curious, how many grunts CAN you stuff into one rack?

 

um sorry pal but we don't live in squad bays, we live in barracks, 2 to a room.

 

Yeah, I know. That's what I’m laughing at.
Even in Korea we got single rooms to ourselves. In the states, our airmen get single rooms, their own shiter, and share a full kitchen with their next door neighbor. Oh course I refer to those as dorms and I’m pretty proud that I’m in a service that takes in to consideration may living quarters when drafting their budget. Quality of life is not an after thought for us.

 

Well someone has to do the dirty work and be the back bone of the military, I am proud to be a Marine.

 

I'm proud you are a Marine as well. I’m proud of every single Marine serving today; soldier and sailor for that matter but let's not get confused, air power is the back bone. In today's world, air strike capabilities wins wars.

 

umm last I checked AF is not the only branch that has air power, Marines do it all, air,ground and sea. Like I said we do the dirty work and the back bone of the military, AKA " America's 911 "

 

ah, but who's the military's 911? The AF. How long exactly did it take ground forces to engage in this last war? When a city needs to be struck effectively and with lethal precision the AF is called first. Typically that happens days or even weeks before troops actually land. There’s a reason Marines love the smell of Napalm in the morning, it’s because that means the Air Force has already wiped everything out for them.

(I hope you realize this argument is all in the name of good, clean, spirited competition)

 

ok I know for a fact we don't need the AF to win a war, don't get me wrong you guys are all high tech but we did not need you in this war on Iraq. They don't use Napalm anymore, it is call fire bombs. anyways the Navy have tomahawks cruse missles that have pinpoint accuracy, they have jets and so do the marines. During the war on Iraq look who Marines due to friendly fire, yep that's right the AF did. anyways every branch has their purpose, just face it, Marines are better

 

Face it, the Marines just aren't as effective. It takes 1000 of ya'll to do what one of us can do. One man, one plane, one bomb, 1000's dead. Sure, it's easy to move in once everything has been leveled for you. As for the other services. The Navy's capabilities are limited the further away from shore you go. Sure they have a few jets, great for dog fighting…which is a minute fraction of a war these days if any. They have no bomber capabilities that are even close to what the AF can offer. The Army helicopters are just too vulnerable to be in a combat zone at the beginning of operations. I’m pretty sure I heard you wrong cause it almost sounded as if you stated the Marines have a flying mission? Yeah, maybe when the President needs to be helo’ed in and out of D.C. As for the Harrier, it’s nothing more then a fixed wing helicopter. Impractical for hostel areas. And we’ll just not talk about the Osprey, I’m sure ya’ll are embarrassed enough over that monstrosity. Please, leave the flying to us. The need for precise aerial targeting is essential to winning any war, yes, even this last war. Iraq was bombed by AF planes well in to the first week prior to any other service engaging. We aren't police officers, we fly in, destroy ****, and leave it for the rest to keep the peace.

I assumed you would catch "The Gaurdian" reference, guess not.

 

LOL might want to get your facts straight about the air power. Marines have plenty of jets in their inventory. only thing that the airforce is really good at is nuke watch.

 

i guess he never heard of a Harrier...i donno man, i would be jealous too if i walked around all day in a faggy blue uniform, but hey, to each his own i guess

 

I knew you Marine fellas couldn't read, If you go back to my last post, I outlined my thoughts about the Harrier. I'll spell it out - IT IS WORTHLESS IN TODAY’S WARS. I know good and well what "air power" the Marines have. Let me guess, you'll start screaming about the Black Nights? Again, leave the air war to us. Next to the Harrier whatcha got, a few F/A 18's which, now with the inception of the F22, is an outdated plane. I won't deny that there are some MAG's that provide close infantry support but my argument is: the AF is called in before all others in today's wars. Sure, the Marines show force once they land but that's cause we level key targets days before. Knock out power, radar defense systems, Intel buildings, destroy runways, and virtually paralyze the enemy before the war truly gets under way. A simple thank you would suffice.

Please don't tell me you are resorting to mocking what color uniforms we wear? Come on? Let me guess, you'll start calling me a zoomy next, and picking on my flight cap? You realize that you nullify any valid point you could possibly have made when you make childish retorts such as that. Stick to the discussion, I’m sure you have something intelligent to say. I'll hope at least...

 

Ok my brotha I will not call you a zoomy, I will just call you a grey hound bus driver, because that is what you guys look like and your MOS is prob. a bus driver. I mean come on what Branch of service has a MOS for a bus driver. Anyways, The Marines have Harriers ( close ground support, no jet can come close it under 10,000 feet.) We also have EA6B Prowlers, Radar Jammers( so if the AF ever shot a missle at it, I would not hit the prowler because it would jam the missle), and we also have F-18 for our air to air and air to ground. Anyways the **** you guys were bombing at the start of the war was Baghdad, and no you guys were not the only ones bombing Baghdad at the start of the war.
We started droping bombs on the Night of March 19th, before the war even started. Harriers, F18's were destroying the tanks, ammo dumps, bases, run ways etc.. They were softening up the ground for us. Yes the AF and Navy did help soften up the ground but the Marine were right there from the start of the war destroying the Iraq Army from the air and on the ground. Don't talk about the war when you were not even over there.
The only thing I give the AF credit is, that you guys get treated better ( but you get the least amount of respect ), you guys are very High Tech, and you have stealth ****, But soon that is all you guys will have on us is Stealth, once the Joint Strike Fighter comes a long. Because the JSF is the same jet that evey branch will have, except Marines will also have one that can hover but still will go faster then the speed of sound and have all the capabilities as every other service.

Hey man I think the Gen. needs some coffee. You might want to get on the ball and not keep them waiting, I mean since you are stationed in DC and all.

 

No disrespect here, as some of you are NCO's and the rest, but you guys are fighting a childish desk war that serves no real purpose, leave that **** to the war college graduates and planners in the Pentagon. Every service fights on the same team, and the DoD deliberately sees to it that each service has an area of specialisation to reduce redundancy so arguments like yours have no basis.

 

Let me straighten this out, Marine aviation has one sole purpose, as mentioned, close air support for ground troops.

AV-8B Harrier
F/A-18 C/D Hornet
EA-6B Prowler
AH-1W Cobra

4 Utility Helicopters
MV-22 Osprey

KC-130 Hercules

Note that all the high performance aircraft I have listed above have ATTACK designations, and that the other aircraft listed are in support of that role, or to airlift equipment into combat.

Marine aviation is highly specialised, pilots on the F/A-18 concentrate on Attack, even thought their fighters are multi-role.

Typically interceptor coverage is provided by the Navy or Air Force

 

In the Air Force, we have no MOS's. Our career fields are called Air Force Specialty Codes (AFSC).

The closest thing I could find to what you speak of it AFSC 2T1X1, Vehicle Operations, and they do MUCH more than just drive buses. They are in charge of every aspect of fleet operations on an Air Force base, it just may mean that when first assigned to the transportation flight they might make you a bus driver first.

A quick search of the net confirms that the A-10, not being VTOL nonwithstanding, has a similar role and similar capabilities as the AV-8, but actually outperforms it in several roles.

You ever heard of an EC-135? Enuff said. Besides, why would the AF shoot a missle at our own team? And a prowler is only effective against radar guided missiles, eg. the AIM-7 Sparrow, the new AIM-120 AMRAAM will go straight for the radio source though...

But as I said, Marine aviation's emphasis is on CAS, and AtA cover is usually provided by the Navy or AF. Can't argue with a war vet that was there. Thank you for your service
Currently, the Air Force armament blows the hell out the Marine Aviation Armament, but why are your panties in such a wad? Why don't you just go brag about a mortar or something? The AF doesn't have those.. But you want to get all tangled up over some airplanes, well duh, it's the Air Force, of course they are going to have you beat there....

If you wanna be so critical about it, go compare the stats of the F-15 Eagle to that of your Hornets, then come tell me which one is better.