636 03' oil pressure problem
 

ok.it goes like this.
whenever i crash that bitch to on the right side,the oil pressure light comes up.so i switch it off,get it up,start it over again and it keeps on.....
my record is 3 minutes of oil pressure light being on on the idle (1800rpm)
then i get bored and throttle it up a bit -then it dissapears.
why is that?
when i fall to the left it keeps on working even on the ground with no light coming up.
i have 4,9liiters of oil in the engine.
no mods to the engine so far.
help
dont want to fuck up the engine so fast

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

do the kleen mod...

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the oil pours in to the clutch cover on the right side and out of the sump so i suggest leaning the bike on to the kick stand for a few seconds and letting the oil flow back to the sump ....but three minutes is a long as time , never seen it happen that long

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I just wait and lower the revs down while waiting as low as its possible
i use 3000rpm for slow stuff
yeah-thats kinda disturbing
will clean air mod help at all?

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[quote=uneetra;3482974]I just wait and lower the revs down while waiting as low as its possible
i use 3000rpm for slow stuff
yeah-thats kinda disturbing
will clean air mod help at all?[/quote]when i said leaning the bike on to the kick stand i forgot to say with the bike off , that will allow the oil to drain back into the sump in the oil pan quicker because when the bike is running the clutch basket is spinning the oil around so it takes longer for it to get back to the pan .....

the clean air mod wont change any thing in this situation but i still recommend doing it for a host of other reasons .....

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start it up and crack(slightly loosen) the oil filter until the air pocket leaves. It usually only takes a couple seconds. It seems to be a hit or miss problem with the 636s. Some guys have it even happen after an oil change. Their are tons of threads about it on kawiforums. They call loosening the filter "burping it"

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[quote=Compton82;3482998]start it up and crack(slightly loosen) the oil filter until the air pocket leaves. It usually only takes a couple seconds. It seems to be a hit or miss problem with the 636s. Some guys have it even happen after an oil change. Their are tons of threads about it on kawiforums. They call loosening the filter "burping it"[/quote]thats a different problem , his problem is just that the oil is spilling out of the oil pan and in to the clutch cover from lying on it's side running and when all the oil is in the clutch cover the oil pump runs dry so it take a second for the oil pressure to build back up once the oil flows back in to the pan ...

the problem your talking about can be solved by simply filling the oil filter with oil when you change it

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

hmm, one of the guys I ride with has the oil light come on everytime he crrashes on the right and he has just been loosening his filter and it goes away.

At first he would just start it and wait for it to go away, but it was taking a long time, so we loosened the filter and it got pressure immediately

if you leave it on the stand, how long does it normally take before you can start it and have pressure?

[quote=old man roger;3483013]
the problem your talking about can be solved by simply filling the oil filter with oil when you change it[/quote]
yea I have never had the problem, but I guess thats because I always put oil in the filter. Then again I dont have the problem when I crash to the right either

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

OKAY i will de - burp the filter
but
do I need to do it always after right side crash?
or is it just a one time application that will save my ass
and probably a lot of bucks for later.

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

[quote=Compton82;3483052]hmm, one of the guys I ride with has the oil light come on everytime he crrashes on the right and he has just been loosening his filter and it goes away.

At first he would just start it and wait for it to go away, but it was taking a long time, so we loosened the filter and it got pressure immediately

if you leave it on the stand, how long does it normally take before you can start it and have pressure?


yea I have never had the problem, but I guess thats because I always put oil in the filter. Then again I dont have the problem when I crash to the right either[/quote]while he is loosening his filter the oil is going back into the pan , it's not the fact he is loosening the filter it's that the bike is sitting on the kickstand while he is doing it ....:2cents

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[quote=old man roger;3483105]while he is loosening his filter the oil is going back into the pan , it's not the fact he is loosening the filter it's that the bike is sitting on the kickstand while he is doing it ....:2cents[/quote]

I'm not sure if this is the problem OMR . our team mate had this exact problem a few times and it lasted for weeks of no riding thinking something was seriously messed up and he loosened the filter and got a smoky/misty blast of air out of it and bam, and it happened more than once. I think some of the 636's get it and some don't.

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Compton, dont argue with roger :nono

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[quote=-SKETCHY-;3483143]Compton, dont argue with roger :nono[/quote]:LOL

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[quote=MikeOnTheBike;3483119]I'm not sure if this is the problem OMR . our team mate had this exact problem a few times and it lasted for weeks of no riding thinking something was seriously messed up and he loosened the filter and got a smoky/misty blast of air out of it and bam, and it happened more than once. I think some of the 636's get it and some don't.[/quote]the oil pump is on the left side of the bike behind the water pump and if the bike is lying on the right side the oils drains out of the sump , simple as that

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[quote=old man roger;3483158]the oil pump is on the left side of the bike behind the water pump and if the bike is lying on the right side the oils drains out of the sump , simple as that[/quote]

I see exactly what you are saying. and it makes sense, but these damn 636's in a certain way of crashing or circumstance like on my buddies bike they can get an air lock in the pump and lose their prime and I think the cracking the filter lets the air get out and oil back into the pump so it can make pressure again. :2cents

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[quote=MikeOnTheBike;3483355]I see exactly what you are saying. and it makes sense, but these damn 636's in a certain way of crashing or circumstance like on my buddies bike they can get an air lock in the pump and lose their prime and I think the cracking the filter lets the air get out and oil back into the pump so it can make pressure again. :2cents[/quote]leaning the bike to the left will fill the pump and push out any air with out cracking the oil filter open

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

[quote=-SKETCHY-;3483143]Compton, dont argue with roger :nono[/quote]
never, cant argue with a legend

I was just offering my advice based on what Jerry has to do. He used to just let it sit and try to keep starting it, but after running for a couple minutes with the oil light on he started getting scared.

Wasnt trying to sound like a dick:cheers

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[quote=Compton82;3483613]never, cant argue with a legend

I was just offering my advice based on what Jerry has to do. He used to just let it sit and try to keep starting it, but after running for a couple minutes with the oil light on he started getting scared.

Wasnt trying to sound like a dick:cheers[/quote]dick !!!!!!!!!!























i kid i kid , he may have a week oil pump :shruggs

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

[quote=old man roger;3483357]leaning the bike to the left will fill the pump and push out any air with out cracking the oil filter open[/quote] I think his sat for almost 3 weeks on the stand tried again, no oil pressure. cracked the filter open started it and air puff and and then oil pressure. I think neither of us are wrong on this one I think they just get a air block that they can't pass sometimes.

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

[quote=MikeOnTheBike;3483648]I think his sat for almost 3 weeks on the stand tried again, no oil pressure. cracked the filter open started it and air puff and and then oil pressure. I think neither of us are wrong on this one I think they just get a air block that they can't pass sometimes.[/quote]i have taken a 636 oil pump apart and don't see how it couldn't over come any air in the system , i can't really explain it well in a post but if you look at an oil pump from a 636 you would see what im saying

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and if it couldn't push out the air then every time you changed the oil you would need to bleed the oil filter .

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i fucked my motor like that

it was only half full of oil and it went down

the oil light came on and DIDNT go off

i asked some ppl here about it and they said it will be ok it stays on for a bit......... but let me say it started ticking and grinding before the light went off

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

[quote=burnoutnut;3483806]i fucked my motor like that

it was only half full of oil and it went down

the oil light came on and DIDNT go off

i asked some ppl here about it and they said it will be ok it stays on for a bit......... but let me say it started ticking and grinding before the light went off[/quote]you left your bike running and walked away from it while it was lying on it's side :nono

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

so I went riding again today
same shit
crashed to the right
started it
leaned it to the left on the sidestand
nothing
did it again
nothing
waited
throttled up
it dissapeared
since I got nice weather I gonna abuse it as long as I can
then I will play with the clena air mod and deburping the oil filter
I also have a reversed style oil pickup.
it will rain-it will get done.
:DRUNK

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

[quote=old man roger;3482961]the oil pours in to the clutch cover on the right side and out of the sump so i suggest leaning the bike on to the kick stand for a few seconds and letting the oil flow back to the sump ....but three minutes is a long as time , never seen it happen that long[/quote]

[quote=old man roger;3482982][B][COLOR=Red]when i said leaning the bike on to the kick stand i forgot to say with the bike off , that will allow the oil to drain back into the sump in the oil pan[/COLOR][/B] quicker because when the bike is running the clutch basket is spinning the oil around so it takes longer for it to get back to the pan .....

the clean air mod wont change any thing in this situation but i still recommend doing it for a host of other reasons .....[/quote]

[quote=uneetra;3484398]so I went riding again today
same shit
crashed to the right
[B][COLOR=Red]started it
leaned it to the left on the sidestand
nothing[/COLOR][/B]
did it again
nothing
waited
throttled up
it dissapeared
since I got nice weather I gonna abuse it as long as I can
then I will play with the clena air mod and deburping the oil filter
I also have a reversed style oil pickup.
it will rain-it will get done.
:DRUNK[/quote]

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

what is a reversed style oil pickup?

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This is Jerry the guy that Compton is talking about

I've had this problem, since day one. Anytime my bike goes to the cage on the right side, running or not it will loose oil pressure. You can lay it down on the cage and pick it right back up with the engine shut off and it will do this, or when you highside anything doesn't matter.

If I let it run it takes an insane amount of time to correct itself. Leaving it on the kickstand or putting it on the cage on the left does nothing, even leaving it for days!!

The only way it will work is loosening the oil filter up and crank it, runs for a second and oil comes out tighten it up and your good!

Same thing when the oil is changed, no pressure even if the filter is filled.
Been inside my pan too and don't see anyway it can get an airtrap but it does. overfilled underfilled doesn't matter.
And yes it only happens on some of the 636's... 2 out of the 8 people I personally know that rides them have these problems.
Any other ideas of a fix let me know I'll be the first to try it!

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[quote=1ST GEAR;3484659]This is Jerry the guy that Compton is talking about

I've had this problem, since day one. Anytime my bike goes to the cage on the right side, running or not it will loose oil pressure. You can lay it down on the cage and pick it right back up with the engine shut off and it will do this, or when you highside anything doesn't matter.

If I let it run it takes an insane amount of time to correct itself. Leaving it on the kickstand or putting it on the cage on the left does nothing, even leaving it for days!!

The only way it will work is loosening the oil filter up and crank it, runs for a second and oil comes out tighten it up and your good!

Same thing when the oil is changed, no pressure even if the filter is filled.
Been inside my pan too and don't see anyway it can get an airtrap but it does. overfilled underfilled doesn't matter.
And yes it only happens on some of the 636's... 2 out of the 8 people I personally know that rides them have these problems.
Any other ideas of a fix let me know I'll be the first to try it![/quote]every 636 i have ever seen gets the oil light when you crash on the right side and if you just let it sit on the stand for a second before you start it up it is fine , i do run my idle around 3 grand so maybe that has some thing to do with it but out of about 20 or more 636's i have never seen one need the oil filter cracked to get the light to go out :shruggs

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

I always crank mine right after I pick it up. then after I'm sure it's not going to catch pressure I roll it over to the grass and crack it open. maybe thats the differance is I don't let it sit on the stand for a few seconds before starting it. I'll try it next time I ride.. trust me I'll def. highside sometime and put it on the right side.. lol

Anyways I'll post up how it does after next weekend!

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

i always seem to crash on the right side

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I've learned to pull it to the right if I can

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not a 636, but if I drop my bike, even with it not runniogn, and I picked it up within 10 seconds
And I start it instaantly, it ALWAYS take 5-10 seconds to build pressure..

If I pay my bike over for 10 seconsd, pick it up, and wait 5 minutes to start it, it can take over 30 seconds to build pressure!

Shit makes me nevous, already had my oil pump out twice, and myoil pan off 3-4 times!



Next time I'm gonna order a new pickup gasket, and install that and see if it gets any better..

btw used to run rotella 15-40 and figured that might be my problem, so now I'm on 10-30 super tech fully synthetic

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

motul 15/50 here

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

reveresed oil pick up is a cut and welded back
pickup
this time the pickup is pointin backwards not forward
i will post some pictures of it later

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

the 636 does not need a custom pick up:2cents

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

pull the pan off and check ur pickup screen, my buddys 03 did the same and the screen was clogged :shruggs

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

fuck
sometimes I wish I had an f4i


:banghead

got no time to disassemble the bike
I prefer to run it
then work on the damage done so far.

Re: 636 03' oil pressure problem
 

[quote=old man roger;3485293]the 636 does not need a custom pick up:2cents[/quote]
thats why I was asking what a reversed one was. I have never heard of anyone having problems with the 636 pickup.