Neutral Drops!
Neutral Drops!
Every now and then as i'm throttling up the front end of my 1999 900RR i'll miss the shift from 1st to 2nd gear. It just seems to fall into neutral or it will shift thru to 2nd for a fraction and then fall out. I try to make sure i follow all the way thru on the shift and usually do, but 1 out of every 10 attemps it does it. Is it me or does this happen to others?
happens to me under hard accel occassionally.....not a prob, just eaaase it back into second...line up the motor speed with your speed so as not to hear a baaaadas CLUNK! which sounds like a tranny crying haha
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Originally posted by BigBalla
haha-your on your way to "no second gear hell"
haha-your on your way to "no second gear hell"
You can easily end up with a few hundred dollars in tranny repairs once you ***** 2nd, and once you start loosing 2nd it will only get worse fast.
I know, I have done it.
Careful.
try this
undercut the trany it will make all the difference you need plus it will save you money in the long run. cause if you dont you are surly gonna keep doing it and eventually youll round your tranny out and it will really be screwed
Undercut For Sure.
Hell yes get it undercut. I thinks thats the only way to go. R&D in Fl does it. If you shift during wheelies looseing 2nd will be your fate sooner or later. Replacing 2nd gear with a stock 2nd gear you'll have the same problem. Gettting the trans undercut is cheaper then replacing gears. Trans will be stronger then stock last a little longer but if your shifting durning wheelies you'll still smoke it again. Just put that bitch in 2nd and go for miles. **** that 1-2 shift. Trans+Shifting+Wheelie =Smoked Trans.
Just my 2 cents.
Schwartz
Just my 2 cents.
Schwartz
try re-aligning the shift lever a lttle lower to acommodate a more natural pull while you up there... that was my problem, i couldnt get that unnatural bend to my foot to clik it into second while standing, therefore would half shift and do what youre doing, but once i "pushed" the shifter down about 1", it flawlessly glides into second everytime.. at half the effort too..
personally, i like my bike (and it's tranny), so i don't make a habit of banging 1-2 when i'm in the air.. but has anyone thought about a clutchless shift kit?
a reverse shifter + clutchless kit should make shifting on one wheel a TON easier, and maybe a bit safer for the bike.
http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/ems.asp
a reverse shifter + clutchless kit should make shifting on one wheel a TON easier, and maybe a bit safer for the bike.
http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/ems.asp
Yeah, i stopped shifting during wheelies for that reason. I didn't wanna screw my tranny up. I also stopped clutchess shifting period, but thats another story. If your really bent on learning to shift on one wheel do like what was said before, lower your shift lever a little bit so you get a soild shift.
Personally i like bringin my bike up in 1st-2nd-3rd-4th rather then shifting through the gears, just my thoughts.
Personally i like bringin my bike up in 1st-2nd-3rd-4th rather then shifting through the gears, just my thoughts.
Clutchless shifting
You can get false neutrals using the clutch too.
To clutchless shift, you need to make sure you are timing the throttle and the shifter together.
Let off the gas, pull up the shifter simultaneously.
Then get on the gas after it has fallen into the next gear, and let off pressure from the shifter simultaneously.
One way to think about it that helps: the bike will clutchless more easily the less strain there is on the chain. If you are accelerating or decelerating the rear wheel with the engine (IE: the chain is taut) it will not want to shift in OR out of a gear. If you don't let off the gas, you won't get out of the gear. And if you start revving it before it gets to the next gear, the gear won't fall into place properly.
All of the adjustment in the throttle is to reduce pull between the rear wheel and the transmission so that the gear can change.
And if you think about it, that's all the clutch is doing is disengaging the transmission from the rear wheel. If you can do this with the throttle, mechanically, there is no difference to the transmission wear whether you use the clutch or the throttle to allow shifting to occur.
It is harder for the rider to clutchless shift, yes. But properly done, there is no difference to the wear on the transmission either way.
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- Ahigh
To clutchless shift, you need to make sure you are timing the throttle and the shifter together.
Let off the gas, pull up the shifter simultaneously.
Then get on the gas after it has fallen into the next gear, and let off pressure from the shifter simultaneously.
One way to think about it that helps: the bike will clutchless more easily the less strain there is on the chain. If you are accelerating or decelerating the rear wheel with the engine (IE: the chain is taut) it will not want to shift in OR out of a gear. If you don't let off the gas, you won't get out of the gear. And if you start revving it before it gets to the next gear, the gear won't fall into place properly.
All of the adjustment in the throttle is to reduce pull between the rear wheel and the transmission so that the gear can change.
And if you think about it, that's all the clutch is doing is disengaging the transmission from the rear wheel. If you can do this with the throttle, mechanically, there is no difference to the transmission wear whether you use the clutch or the throttle to allow shifting to occur.
It is harder for the rider to clutchless shift, yes. But properly done, there is no difference to the wear on the transmission either way.
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- Ahigh
Last edited by Ahigh; Dec 1, 2002 at 02:24 PM.
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