Got an 04 600 gsxr, I can clutch my first pretty well, but I wanna get 2nd gear down before I try hitting BP on first.

But I have been having trouble, the way i'd go about it is, hit about 40 mph(6-7k on tach) stand about half way up with knees grabbing tank, bounce the bike once and try and clutch it up, but the highest I can get is about 1 foot off the ground ( probablly because im fat 250lbs ).

Could someone go through the routine they do to clutch up 2nd gear standups?

 

I start between 40-50 mph. Pull the clutch in with one finger then bounce the bike. When the bike rebounds upward thats when i release the clutch lever. I couldn't tell you what rpm i rev to cuz its all by sound/feel. The faster you start the wheelie, the higher rpm you need. But it doesn't really matter if you rev too high because i just left off some throttle as the front wheel lifts. However, i guess the smart thing to do when starting off is gradually increase the rpm you let the clutch out.

 

Lean Back!! this was my problem for a good month. Get someone to video tape you and you'll see what I mean. Usually I lean back so the back of my leg touches or almost touches the rear cowl, roll at about 40mph, slip clutch, gas. Good lUck.

 

Do you hold the throttle after the clutch out, give it more gas, or let it down?

I think my problem is once I slip out the clutch, im letting off the gas aswell.

 

Yeah, you stay on the gas. Its hard to judge how much throttle at first, but after enough seat time, you learn to just lean back, slip the clutch and gas her up. The key is being comfortable enough to do this then roll off as you near BP. But as long as you are comfortable with using the rear brake during a stand up wheelie then its nothing. I said comfortable using the brake, not telling yourself, "Yeah, I'll use it when I go to far". Bad idea.

Im 180lbs. If I dont really committ to leaning back (arms almost locked straight out) it usually wont come up all the way. So if your over 200lbs and your on a 600 your probably gonna need to use good body english. But after a while it will be easy.

 

This might sound weird but i just learned to stand up 2 days ago and i use the left rear peg. its so easy i found the bp and its awesome. i dont clutch tho and my bike is only a 98 cbr600 f3 i just bounce it up.

Bobby

 

Im having the same problem with 2nd gear, 1st gear i can bring it up about 90% of the time (sit downs). But in 2nd I jump on my forks like a idiot and I can never catch a bounce right Its weird tho cuz ive tried 2nd gear sit down and i have gotten a couple higher than any stand ups, just as high as my 1st gears (not BP but high enough to where i cant see anything but bike) I lock my arms and sit far back on the seat, clutch it at like 40-50mph and it comes up pretty nice and slow when it does, although Im pounding the gas hard. I think besides not getting my bounce/lean back/clutch timing right my body position is all wrong I dont choke up on the throttle enough to where I can give it enough gas that it needs.

Def go with the staggered position, it still feels a little odd, it looks like it would be easier to use your body language with stand ups.

On a side note it seems the faster Im going (1st or 2nd, although I can only really speak of 1st) the smoother it comes up this shiz normal? like when Im going 30mph is a slower smoother lift off as apposed to going 15-20 where the front end shoots up real quick.

any other advice besides practice practice practice

 

The way i learned is a video camera and one of my buddys that wheelies good, had him ride next to me and he helped me. And i rode next to him and watched him do his thing.. it worked for me... Get on the buddy system..

 

alot of people say u should put ur left foot on the passenger peg and stand, i would think that would move ur weight back further and help the wheelie, but wont be actually leaning back so you would feel safer...

generally that spreading ur feet apart is a more stable stance so im sure it works the same way on bikes, and that way u can transfer weight to the back foot and help ur balance ur wheelie too

 

I think cuz of your stock gearing you would be more up in the rpms to lift opposed to aftermarket gearing which just comes rite up. After i did the 2+ on mine i dont even use first.

The rear peg is a little different at first but once u balance it out its nothing. Since i learned how to do standups i dont even do sit downs anymore cuz its a hell of alot easier and once i learned on the rear peg i can do it on the front pegs.

Bobby

 

i do mine with the staggered position, one foot on the rear left and the other on the front right ... how do you people using this riding position bounce it up? ... do you bounce it up and after it comes up switch your foot back? .. bc u cant bounce it up with one foot on the front peg you need both

 

I have no idea what you are talking about? I keep my left foot on the rear peg, right foot on the right front peg and bounce it up and just give it throttle its really easy once you get the hang of it.

Bobby

 

I can bounce the front fine in the staggered postition...too bad i could catch a bounce if my life depended on it

 

put your left foot on the rear peg this helps you get your weight to the back tire and lean BACK!!!!!

 

dont mean to steal a thread. I am having trouble finding a good rpm to clutch up first. I find that about 20mph seems to be a good speed to start at and then up around 8 or 9k and it comes up good but damn fast scares the **** out of me still. what speed and rpm do you all recommend? Guess i just need practice. btw racked myself a good one on the way down first time. sucked alot. lol

 

Nah man, that's cause you're used to bouncing the pegs, which indirectly will compress the front shocks. You want to use your body weight and bounce right over the shocks, much better.
It takes a lot more revs in 2nd than 1st, a LOT more, but I pull the clutch in enough so it slips and go about 1/2-3/4 throttle at the same time and drop the clutch at around 10-12k. 2nd is a lot more forgiving than first, so you can give it a lot of revs and it's not going to fly up like 1st gear will.

To bounce it I stand up staggered with my arms about locked, then shift my weight foreward quick and use my arms to push down on the shocks, at the same time I'm pulling in the clutch and revving it, and as soon as I dump the clutch I'm straightening my arms and the suspension is coming up.
It sounds complicated but it's all one smooth motion, you do everything at the same time.
It helps to have the same body position every time you do it so it comes up about the same everytime. Just cover that brake!!! Bring it down ALL the time by using the brake and staying steady on the throttle.

 

I did first gear wheelies thinking it would be easier to find bp cause it would be going slower, but because it's SO freakin' twitch (ie. it comes up hella fast and when you let off the gas it slams down) 2nd is so much easier. Learn brake control with 2nd gear, clutch it up and keep bringing it up higher, and when you want to put it back down don't chop the throttle, but instead stay the same on the throttle and use the brake to bring it down. Soon you'll learn to bring it higher and higher and know that you're not going to flip cause you've got that brake covered.

 

how fast are u going when you stand it up in second. I've thought that was a good idea to because i heard you can pretty much peg it before it will loop over on ya in second. What speed you doin it at and what rpm? how much gas are u droppin it at? Thanks

 

1st def comes up FAST...then my natural reaction is to kill the throttle and that slams the front end down hard...shiz I used to break those dinky 45 weight zip ties off my upper,

Like I said before second gear Im still sitting but when it does manage to come up its slow and smooth...but I did notice that the front end comes up slower and at an even pace but then it hits a certain point it starts to jump up faster noticed it happen the past couple times whats up with that

 

dawg.. im 320 and cant get 2nd ether dont feel bad... lol. im gonna just say *** it and get a 1000