Not at all, just asking if you had a vid. And only if I knew what?

I looked at the name of the thread and I don't understand what you are talking about.

Bill

 

My bad then dude, i thought you were hatin on me for some reason. Yah as of date i dont have any videos. At the end of this summer you can look forward to some though. BEcause thats when im getting my camera. Going to do mostly skate videos to start out, then street races, street bike stuntin (maybe film a little bit a darius or somin, quad videos are going to be sick, and plotted videos for school are gonna suck! Also what sucks is having to work this whole entire summer then in one day blow all the money on the video camera, and i still want like a 7000 editing system and a new 3000$ computer to run it. But hey i will make due.

 

Might I ask why you are purchasing a DVX100 instead of a GL1/2 ? I'm guessing you are going to say because it can shoot in 24 frame. If the 24fps feature is the main reaoson you want it, why?

Bill

 

yah the 24fps is the reason why i want it, A gl2 and a vx2100 are considerably cheaper, but i know a kid who uses the panasonic and i have filmed with it a few times and its really nice. My friend right now is the top editor in the school because everyone else is lame and because i have no camera. I ask him hes like yah get the dvx100, its kicks ***! but 1000 bucks more is a lot. I think I have heard of some like film lense which makes it almost as good or something but im not sure. I Would rather pay that much so i can either pay for my truck or get a mixer, monitors, mics and shiat.

 

Not trying to be a dick, but why do you want to shoot in 24fps?

Bill

 

hah, i dont even have a digital camera! im rockin some old analog camera, it gets decent footage though, so i cant complain.

 

because it has just about the same picture quality as a 16mm camera, and im looking into doing skate videos and quad videos. So i want the professionalism.

 

Getting a 24frame camera has nothing to do with picture quality. A mini DV is capable of capturing about 500 lines of resolution regardless of frame rate. If you want to compare that to the quality of film, a projected film is the equivalent of about 1000 lines of resolution.

The Panasonic has (3) 410k ccds just like the GL2, and they both capture to mini dv so I would guess that the actual picture quality is very very similar.

Shooting 24fps video is a waste of time and money unless you have very specific reasons for wanting to film that way. If you had hours and hours of 24 frame film that you wanted to use in a project, or if you were ever going to convert from DV to film (a transfer from tape to film is about $2.50 PER FRAME or 60 bucks a second).

DVD/Television/Computer video is all 30FPS, so buying a camera that can film in 24FPS without needing that feature is very silly.

I suggest doing alot of reading and research before plunking down 3500 on a panasonic. There is a reason the GL2 is used by thousands of skate video people!

Bill

 

You know yer ****.!

 

Okay okay. Its still better when done correctly with panasonic. You dont have as much gitters and the film and crap. But i dont care i will probably get a gl2 that way i can get new computer because 2.26ghz with 768mb of rdram, and nvidia ti 4600, and 1 100gb hard drive aint gonna last me more then like 1 day because i will get pissed. So i will get a gl2, 3.4ghz shuttle pc, 1gb ddr, nvidia card with dual monitor support. Or get audio recording setup. To be determined later.

 

yeah I'm just out of highschool and I video edit for a stunt team, I also plan on maybe someday making a living of doing skate vids and ****, we now use a couple gl1s and a gl2, gl2 is by far the best camera I have ever used for the price. and yeah Vegas is the way to go, but why the shuttle PC, also yeah 24fps cameras are just useless, I have never heard of a pro skate video being shot with them. 24fps is just nice for like film cause you get that nice blur that just makes everything nice to the eye, but for technical stuff like stunt vids 30 is what you need. but sounds like your already awesome with all this video stuff, just with the computer, seeing thats mostly what i do, is fix and build computers, get something that runs cool, and has alot faster hard drives then IDE, cause thats like the most limiting factor your 2.26 can out edit a 3.4 if it had some SCCI drives and more ram. I work at a TV station and one of our editing computers that cost 13,000 new, is a Xeon P3 1ghz, and its just as good or better as 2.4 NLE computer, but the new 2.8 NLE I just built for them beats it pretty good cause the serial ata drives.

 

No. In fact it is not better when done in 24fps with the Panasonic and you can't say it's done better correctly, because if you are shooting 24fps with the sole intent of distributing your media on computer, DVD, or Television, you are doing it incorrectly.

So unless you plan on showing your skate videos on the silver screen at the Sundance film festival, you are hurting your quality by shooting in 24fps.

Look at it like this.. You capture exactly 1 second of a skateboarder doing a grind on a rail. One guy filmed it with the Panasonic at 24fps, and another guy filmed it with a GL2 at 30fps (29.97).

Now you want to put that clip on the web/dvd/whatever. Think of a frame as a picture. To fill 1 second of video, you need 30 pictures. Imagine having 30 spots on a table, and each one needs to be filled.

With the Panasonic you have 24 pictures and you have 30 open spots. How are you going to fill 30 slots?? Ahhh just use the first 24 spots and leave the last 6 empty? Nope because the video is going to be sped up and the shot will only last less then a second anyways. Ok, all is not lost. What if you took every forth frame and copied it? Well that would work and it might even look halfway decent, but it's just not going to look right.

Switch over to the GL2. You now have 30 pictures to put in 30 spots. Soooo, put the 30 pictures in the 30 spots and you are done.

Doesn't that sound a little easier (better)?

You haven't given me a good reason for wanting a 24fps camera other then the fact that "It's better" and you want to look more professional. Don't be fooled into thinking you need to spend a jillion dollars on equipment to produce good video.

Bill

 

Bill knows his stuff, you CAN'T win. Can I get an Amen?....lol

Tim

 

AMEN

 

Okay no Amen here. I understand you perfectly and im not dissagreeing with you. But the thing is, im looking into making this as a profession, the reason i want 24p is because it edits as a film camera. My friend is at a film school in LA right now and i asked him hes used everysingle camera out there. He said hands down that this camera was the best and its even what he wanted but the setup he wanted was about 7000 because of the film lense and accesories. When using the film lense you can create film almost the same as an actual film picture. Im not going to just use this for skate videos and such, its going to be the beginning of a production company that will do videos for anything. And being able to get that much money, thats why im getting it. This camera will do anything you throw at it and no longer need to ever get a different one. Yes i do want it so my films can go on big pictures because i will probably end up going to a film school or like csu monterey which has a great video editing program. So if i had the choice to shoot a video that was good, great and best im choosing great here because thats the 24p panasonic, good would be the gl2,gl1, xl1 etc and best would be of course actual film cameras. My friend just actually filmed a video for a band here called catholic comb and spent about 800 bucks to make it because of the charge of film, it was something i believed he turned into the school. Im pretty sure he used either a gl1 or an xl1. He actually brought a xl1 back here today to capture some video on to the computer for the music video tape. A very nice camera but not worth the money. The 24p panasonic seems to be the best bang for the buck. And who knows maybe in 3 monthes canon might have a 24p out and i will get that.

 

ok, this has nothing to do with the video camera topic that has come up but at the begining the my vid it says "317 productions" im not sure that i like it and i have a few other ideas in mind. what do you guys think of that name?

 

Its not a bad name, check and make sure thats its not already around. If you like it then keep it. If not change it, its cool if its got a meaning behind it, like why you picked it. Im in the process of setting up mine.

 

Not being a smartass, but can you explain to me what that statement means? I'm only asking because when you export your video to the PC (By Firewire or what have you) You are sending data at the NTSC Standard frame rate of 29.97 regardless of what setting you have your dvx100 set at. I know Final Cut Pro and a few others let you work with the 24p frame rate, but how is editing different?

Bill

 

Actually a lot of programs let you edit as 24p, Vegas, adobe, final cut, avid. By that statemeant i dont remember or know. But i was probably getting to the point for around 5-6000$ total you can have a 24p camera that transfers to film for a lot cheaper then an actual film camera.

 

I wrote a big response, but it is pointless. Best of luck in all your future endeavors.

Bill