painting process
01-23-2008, 09:04 AM
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What? what? who? lol
haha you were too!! you told me that anyone that paints with a rattle can is a few teeth shy of a full sprocket! hahaha
why is everyone so sensitive around here?
I can't wait until I can afford to paint my bike up slick and not worry about it gettin ruined so fast. I don't even want to put my sidefairings back on yet, but I do! hee hee
My tank's done it's just dusty and dirty since pulling the tape and paper kicked that stuff all over it and, I haven't cleaned it yet. Those aren't scratches, just tape glue and dirt.....
I just need to paint the entire tank now since I put it on the bike and it's OK....Now I'll sand it all down to get rid of the tape line, then clearcoat, and go from there... The rustoleum actually worked a little bit better than the krylon in this case too. I switched to the rustoleum clearcoat on the motard and liked it better, I don't know why I didn't use their reg. paint... Krylon has that "fusion" that works killer on plastic and I think that's why I used it.....
NO matter what clearcoat I used....nothing was going to keep the orange from showing through though when you jumped the curb and dropped my motard off the trailer upside down at the ROC in the Lou though!! LOL you put the tard in motard that day... the turd too! hahaha
haha you were too!! you told me that anyone that paints with a rattle can is a few teeth shy of a full sprocket! hahaha
why is everyone so sensitive around here?
I can't wait until I can afford to paint my bike up slick and not worry about it gettin ruined so fast. I don't even want to put my sidefairings back on yet, but I do! hee hee
My tank's done it's just dusty and dirty since pulling the tape and paper kicked that stuff all over it and, I haven't cleaned it yet. Those aren't scratches, just tape glue and dirt.....
I just need to paint the entire tank now since I put it on the bike and it's OK....Now I'll sand it all down to get rid of the tape line, then clearcoat, and go from there... The rustoleum actually worked a little bit better than the krylon in this case too. I switched to the rustoleum clearcoat on the motard and liked it better, I don't know why I didn't use their reg. paint... Krylon has that "fusion" that works killer on plastic and I think that's why I used it.....
NO matter what clearcoat I used....nothing was going to keep the orange from showing through though when you jumped the curb and dropped my motard off the trailer upside down at the ROC in the Lou though!! LOL you put the tard in motard that day... the turd too! hahaha
01-23-2008, 10:46 AM
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looks good for work done by a backasswards redneck! :-P
in my defense on the motard....you tied it down on the trailer! hahahaha
nothin 10 cents from a rattle can wouldnt fix! lol
I gotta get with Andy and see when he's planning on spraying paint...I'm wanting to be there and paint the process....I can only get the pics at each stage, but wish I could get the exact overlap and everything he has to do to keep the kandy coat from getting dark stripes and **** like that.
in my defense on the motard....you tied it down on the trailer! hahahaha
nothin 10 cents from a rattle can wouldnt fix! lol
I gotta get with Andy and see when he's planning on spraying paint...I'm wanting to be there and paint the process....I can only get the pics at each stage, but wish I could get the exact overlap and everything he has to do to keep the kandy coat from getting dark stripes and **** like that.
01-23-2008, 06:08 PM
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looks good for work done by a backasswards redneck! :-P
in my defense on the motard....you tied it down on the trailer! hahahaha
nothin 10 cents from a rattle can wouldnt fix! lol
I gotta get with Andy and see when he's planning on spraying paint...I'm wanting to be there and paint the process....I can only get the pics at each stage, but wish I could get the exact overlap and everything he has to do to keep the kandy coat from getting dark stripes and **** like that.
in my defense on the motard....you tied it down on the trailer! hahahaha
nothin 10 cents from a rattle can wouldnt fix! lol
I gotta get with Andy and see when he's planning on spraying paint...I'm wanting to be there and paint the process....I can only get the pics at each stage, but wish I could get the exact overlap and everything he has to do to keep the kandy coat from getting dark stripes and **** like that.
I didn't remember that, all I remember was that every one of your straps that I touched I broke the cast piece of metal in two! LOL That KTM is a tank dude.... I didn't care really. Did I seem like I did at the time? I was definately pissed at sir squidsworth that ran into me and wasted my new ESD supermoto peg at the time tho. I still don't know why I didn't switch sides with them things and ride with Cody and you back there at Al Habroski's instead of walkin around all pissed off...The overlap is 50/50 always when spraying paint bro. You just have to learn how to start and stop so that you don't build up from the different passes overlaping on the top and bottom of one another if you have a big enough area. You wouldn't need to worry about that on bikes. it's all about trigger and feathering it out.... maintaining a wet edge, keep your hand moving always, and just watching your overspray from hitting the **** you just sprayed unless it's really wet so that it all lays down. I don't know how long that **** maintains a wet tho either. Once you figure it all out and how fast to move your hand vs pressure you should be able to keep it smooth and built up nice and even thickness so that you get no orange peel and definately no runs holiday.
I'm sure that I could get it down in a matter of moments. It's the mixing of the material that I would have to learn not the application. ....Jou kno whhhat I'm a sayeen mang? I am very interested to learn it all too. Everyone we know does it too bro so it's not like we wouldn't have people that can do it showin us. I think pretty much all of KCMW does that don't they? What I do for a living isn't too far off. I want to watch too! So yea... pics or and pics my *** up and take me over there too! hahaha
01-23-2008, 07:38 PM
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The overlap is 50/50 always when spraying paint bro. You just have to learn how to start and stop so that you don't build up from the different passes overlaping on the top and bottom of one another if you have a big enough area. You wouldn't need to worry about that on bikes. it's all about trigger and feathering it out.... maintaining a wet edge, keep your hand moving always, and just watching your overspray from hitting the **** you just sprayed unless it's really wet so that it all lays down. I don't know how long that **** maintains a wet tho either. Once you figure it all out and how fast to move your hand vs pressure you should be able to keep it smooth and built up nice and even thickness so that you get no orange peel and definately no runs holiday.
I'm sure that I could get it down in a matter of moments. It's the mixing of the material that I would have to learn not the application. ....Jou kno whhhat I'm a sayeen mang? I am very interested to learn it all too. Everyone we know does it too bro so it's not like we wouldn't have people that can do it showin us. I think pretty much all of KCMW does that don't they? What I do for a living isn't too far off. I want to watch too! So yea... pics or and pics my *** up and take me over there too! hahaha
01-23-2008, 09:03 PM
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you will never be able to sand that hard line out from looking at it, its at least 3-5 mils thick. next time if you back tape like that dont paint up to the edge so you can feather it in.
when spraying candy you want your overlap to be 75/25, and it takes a long time to get your technique down, especially when spraying kandy. mixing paint is easy, knowing what reducer for the temp and how much to add to get your paint to lay down flat takes a long time and changes with each paint line.
when spraying candy you want your overlap to be 75/25, and it takes a long time to get your technique down, especially when spraying kandy. mixing paint is easy, knowing what reducer for the temp and how much to add to get your paint to lay down flat takes a long time and changes with each paint line.
As for the tape line.... pfffft, done it already once with this tank, and it was thicker the first time! If I did it once, I can do it again.
And that's why we both are interested in learning about it. I have always went 50/50 whenever spraying.....
not saying your wrong, but what do you mean 75/25 you overlap 75% on the next pass, or 25%??? and what makes the candy so much diff.? It sounds like knowing how much reducer and **** like that to mix in, is actually hard to figure out until you get used to it by trial and error. I'm sure the humidity plays a factor too besides temp to prevent blushing or surfaceous leaching.
Technique isn't a big worry of mine, it's the material knowledge that I don't know and would have to aquire over time more so than the tech. I would have it after a few projects unless I had some tricky angles or something that I didn't want to lay too much on top of itself and make a run. I have sprayed enough **** in my life I'm not at all worried about technique, Nothing can't be fixed and painting is easy!
IN fact..... and I wouldn't say this if I didn't paint new homes and commercially as well as residentially for the past 15years, but as far as painting goes.......anyone can do it.
01-23-2008, 09:54 PM
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yeah, if you can do it anyone can! lol jk
Andy tried explaining it to me, but yeah the overlap's were different, and then you have flash times were you only have maybe a 4 minute window in order to lay the next coat, otherwise you have to start over or you're done with the Kandy paint. The reducer ratio is dependent on temp, humidity,.....and when Andy explained all that I said, "OK, I'm gonna let you do it!" haha
Andy tried explaining it to me, but yeah the overlap's were different, and then you have flash times were you only have maybe a 4 minute window in order to lay the next coat, otherwise you have to start over or you're done with the Kandy paint. The reducer ratio is dependent on temp, humidity,.....and when Andy explained all that I said, "OK, I'm gonna let you do it!" haha
01-24-2008, 12:33 AM
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As for the tape line.... pfffft, done it already once with this tank, and it was thicker the first time! If I did it once, I can do it again.
And that's why we both are interested in learning about it. I have always went 50/50 whenever spraying..... not saying your wrong, but what do you mean 75/25 you overlap 75% on the next pass, or 25%??? and what makes the candy so much diff.?
It sounds like knowing how much reducer and **** like that to mix in, is actually hard to figure out until you get used to it by trial and error. I'm sure the humidity plays a factor too besides temp to prevent blushing or surfaceous leaching.
Technique isn't a big worry of mine, it's the material knowledge that I don't know and would have to aquire over time more so than the tech. I would have it after a few projects unless I had some tricky angles or something that I didn't want to lay too much on top of itself and make a run. I have sprayed enough **** in my life I'm not at all worried about technique, Nothing can't be fixed and painting is easy!
IN fact..... and I wouldn't say this if I didn't paint new homes and commercially as well as residentially for the past 15years, but as far as painting goes.......anyone can do it.
And that's why we both are interested in learning about it. I have always went 50/50 whenever spraying.....
not saying your wrong, but what do you mean 75/25 you overlap 75% on the next pass, or 25%??? and what makes the candy so much diff.? It sounds like knowing how much reducer and **** like that to mix in, is actually hard to figure out until you get used to it by trial and error. I'm sure the humidity plays a factor too besides temp to prevent blushing or surfaceous leaching.
Technique isn't a big worry of mine, it's the material knowledge that I don't know and would have to aquire over time more so than the tech. I would have it after a few projects unless I had some tricky angles or something that I didn't want to lay too much on top of itself and make a run. I have sprayed enough **** in my life I'm not at all worried about technique, Nothing can't be fixed and painting is easy!
IN fact..... and I wouldn't say this if I didn't paint new homes and commercially as well as residentially for the past 15years, but as far as painting goes.......anyone can do it.
yes 75% overlap, but everyone develops their own techniques. kandy are not hard to spray, just hard to make look good because so many things can make them look like ****, especially when shooting a car or a big panel/part. trust me there is way more to painting than just applicating for the gun alone comes: pressure, fan, amount of material, correct atomization, how the amount of material in your cup affects the way the gun sprays, gun cleaning and maintenance, etc.
when it comes to reducer most company's supply a chart of which to use with what temp and humidity, but there is still more to it than that, depending on how the material sprays you might want to add more or less than they suggest.
i could go on and on for days, but the point of my story is there is a lot more to painting than most think.
yeah, if you can do it anyone can! lol jk
Andy tried explaining it to me, but yeah the overlap's were different, and then you have flash times were you only have maybe a 4 minute window in order to lay the next coat, otherwise you have to start over or you're done with the Kandy paint. The reducer ratio is dependent on temp, humidity,.....and when Andy explained all that I said, "OK, I'm gonna let you do it!" haha
Andy tried explaining it to me, but yeah the overlap's were different, and then you have flash times were you only have maybe a 4 minute window in order to lay the next coat, otherwise you have to start over or you're done with the Kandy paint. The reducer ratio is dependent on temp, humidity,.....and when Andy explained all that I said, "OK, I'm gonna let you do it!" haha
01-24-2008, 10:09 AM
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No, no... it's allright, things that we want to know for sure. I'm admittedly the most curious about how this **** is done right. I'll need it for base coats and clear coats app's for airbrushing......
I have sprayed countless sets of Laquered cabinets, elaborate enamel woodwork, industrial and residential applications too. like I say I actually am a painting contractor here in KC.
I only used a cup gun on one small project, but for the most part all with airless rigs. It is how I make my living tho... I would have to agree that there is alot more that goes into painting that alot of people don't really understand...
And yes, I'm sorry, but my line will be totally gone. I will have to bring the edge down and the **** that I built up on the other side will be taken down too a gradient degree towards the edge where bare metal will show where the line used to be. NO sweat, just wanted to make sure it was right before I wasted my time dickin with the whole tank, that and I wasn't sure how much time I really wanted to take this time since it's just a rattle can job anyhow.
I can live with a line honestly until it's my turn for the Kandy.... I'm sure it's gonna get a lil fucked up anyways before it's all said and done. NOt to mention crashes, but I still have to take the pump off and get whatever I knocked loose out of the tank so I didn't want to throw down any clearcoat yet.
What your'e lookin at is a cracked tank with a repaired leak that has two coats of bondo and primer, and two coats of rustoleum. You can tell that I'm totally concerened with my tape line..... LOL
I have sprayed countless sets of Laquered cabinets, elaborate enamel woodwork, industrial and residential applications too. like I say I actually am a painting contractor here in KC.
I only used a cup gun on one small project, but for the most part all with airless rigs. It is how I make my living tho... I would have to agree that there is alot more that goes into painting that alot of people don't really understand...
And yes, I'm sorry, but my line will be totally gone.
I will have to bring the edge down and the **** that I built up on the other side will be taken down too a gradient degree towards the edge where bare metal will show where the line used to be. NO sweat, just wanted to make sure it was right before I wasted my time dickin with the whole tank, that and I wasn't sure how much time I really wanted to take this time since it's just a rattle can job anyhow. I can live with a line honestly until it's my turn for the Kandy.... I'm sure it's gonna get a lil fucked up anyways before it's all said and done. NOt to mention crashes, but I still have to take the pump off and get whatever I knocked loose out of the tank so I didn't want to throw down any clearcoat yet.
What your'e lookin at is a cracked tank with a repaired leak that has two coats of bondo and primer, and two coats of rustoleum. You can tell that I'm totally concerened with my tape line..... LOL
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01-24-2008, 07:38 PM
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No, no... it's allright, things that we want to know for sure. I'm admittedly the most curious about how this **** is done right. I'll need it for base coats and clear coats app's for airbrushing......
I have sprayed countless sets of Laquered cabinets, elaborate enamel woodwork, industrial and residential applications too. like I say I actually am a painting contractor here in KC.
I only used a cup gun on one small project, but for the most part all with airless rigs. It is how I make my living tho... I would have to agree that there is alot more that goes into painting that alot of people don't really understand...
And yes, I'm sorry, but my line will be totally gone. I will have to bring the edge down and the **** that I built up on the other side will be taken down too a gradient degree towards the edge where bare metal will show where the line used to be. NO sweat, just wanted to make sure it was right before I wasted my time dickin with the whole tank, that and I wasn't sure how much time I really wanted to take this time since it's just a rattle can job anyhow.
I can live with a line honestly until it's my turn for the Kandy.... I'm sure it's gonna get a lil fucked up anyways before it's all said and done. NOt to mention crashes, but I still have to take the pump off and get whatever I knocked loose out of the tank so I didn't want to throw down any clearcoat yet.
What your'e lookin at is a cracked tank with a repaired leak that has two coats of bondo and primer, and two coats of rustoleum. You can tell that I'm totally concerened with my tape line..... LOL
I have sprayed countless sets of Laquered cabinets, elaborate enamel woodwork, industrial and residential applications too. like I say I actually am a painting contractor here in KC.
I only used a cup gun on one small project, but for the most part all with airless rigs. It is how I make my living tho... I would have to agree that there is alot more that goes into painting that alot of people don't really understand...
And yes, I'm sorry, but my line will be totally gone.
I will have to bring the edge down and the **** that I built up on the other side will be taken down too a gradient degree towards the edge where bare metal will show where the line used to be. NO sweat, just wanted to make sure it was right before I wasted my time dickin with the whole tank, that and I wasn't sure how much time I really wanted to take this time since it's just a rattle can job anyhow. I can live with a line honestly until it's my turn for the Kandy.... I'm sure it's gonna get a lil fucked up anyways before it's all said and done. NOt to mention crashes, but I still have to take the pump off and get whatever I knocked loose out of the tank so I didn't want to throw down any clearcoat yet.
What your'e lookin at is a cracked tank with a repaired leak that has two coats of bondo and primer, and two coats of rustoleum. You can tell that I'm totally concerened with my tape line..... LOL
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01-26-2008, 12:13 AM
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I said F it and went with a HVLP... or did I... That's it tho.. no more F'n with this damn tank for me thank goodness!
Took basically another 30 min out of my time (if I added up all the actual time sanding or spraying it would probably not even be that long) for what I did to it to take it as far as I'm gonna take it for now. NO more tape line, but it did get some lint or dust flakes in the dish right after I shot it on the second to the last coat... I said screw it cuz they should be covered anyways so who cares? IMO it turned out just fine....
Now D, hopefully you can get some progress pics up soon!!
That's it tho.. no more F'n with this damn tank for me thank goodness! Took basically another 30 min out of my time (if I added up all the actual time sanding or spraying it would probably not even be that long) for what I did to it to take it as far as I'm gonna take it for now. NO more tape line, but it did get some lint or dust flakes in the dish right after I shot it on the second to the last coat... I said screw it cuz they should be covered anyways so who cares? IMO it turned out just fine....
Now D, hopefully you can get some progress pics up soon!!
01-26-2008, 08:28 PM
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me and my painter were riding today....and 58 degrees tomorrow.....progress isnt looking great right now!
My stuffs in his garage sitting right next to the paint.....when it chills off again, and we all know it will....I'll see if we cant get some progress on it.
Nice job on the tank, for a "de te de" hahaha
My stuffs in his garage sitting right next to the paint.....when it chills off again, and we all know it will....I'll see if we cant get some progress on it.
Nice job on the tank, for a "de te de" hahaha
04-22-2008, 02:46 PM
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done....gonna get the mounted up pics on this weekend after getting it out, putting surfpad on the tank and getting some seat time....til then here's the paint progress...all cellphone pics, but the ones this weekend will be with my digi.
