read that label more carefully, look at parts content.. there are 1000 people employed (or more) making those parts with just one employed bolting the parts together... its about parts content, thats where the majority of the jobs are, not where it was assembled..

 

Good call on that one Taz, oh and for the steel the japs by our steel from the same manufacturer so I really dont see a difference. Also not to be a dick but are you serious about a Nissan Titan being better bang for the buck? Think again on that one, only thing better about that truck is a few mpg look it up. Americans are funny and this toyota thing is out of control, the main reason quality in the japanese market was "WAS" better is the simple fact of less volume more quality, now toyota is moving up and what do ya know more recalls then anyone else. Our cars may not be as great in some peoples opinion but do you think they will get better when everyone jumps ship and buys japenese I doubt it!!

 

Most ignorant statement ever. I work for a tier one supplier. Where it is put together matters for dick. Where the parts are made is everything.

 

This reminds me of another thread we've had, but I'll restate it for the uneducated public.

Toyotas are assembled here with nearly 100% Japanese parts. They are done so to avoid tariffs put in place on shipping cars into our country, so they avoid it by assembling the cars here, which accounts for about 5% of the jobs created to make an entire car. Then they advertise "Made in America" and our dumb *** public believes it.

The wallmart example is silly. First off you've replaced a $6 dollar an hour service checkout job and not a high paying manufacturing job, which this country needs. Secondly you've probably created higher paying jobs by needing technicians to service the self-checkout units and a factory to manufacture them.

 

Never said "bang for my buck" I said better truck for my buck.

I am just going into this purchase with an open mind, it might be the new F150 or RAM who knows. I like the look, reviews and resale of the Titan since I will be paying most of the truck with cash if not all, if I can find a good 2004-06 model with right options.

 

My masters degree is Manufacturing operations and I've had the unpleasant task of reading about 100 f u c k i n g books on topics in this thread. Your 100% correct on the "WAS" better, our cars sucked in the mid to late eighty's but we've actually learned and now produce quality on the same level as Japan. You were also correct on the volume issue, this is why the "all mighty" Toyota is having recalls all the time now.

 

I'm going to stop posting in this stupid thread because it doesn't really matter to me. I would buy an AMERICAN made care over a foreign even if the quality was worse, at least when my kids grow up and can't find a f u c k i n g job I can say I did everything to keep them here for you.

My BUELL is slower and less powerful than all the rice burners, but I've never been happier with myself for buying it. All I have to do is go up and give my sleeping kid a kiss on the forehead knowing I tried to help their future. So this thread is stupid, everyone go buy foreign **** and f u c k your kids and the future. I think anyone buying a Toyota is selfish and lacks patriotism. Peace out brothers.

 

Very true, but parts for a lot of american cars come from another country.

As far as self checkouts: yes it does create more jobs that are better paying, but if they were handing out more money in paychecks because of them do you think they would put them in? Overall by having them they spend less money, and I'm sure its a lot less. Think of it this way: one guy got a job to service the checkouts, 10 more to build the checkouts, 50 highschool kids lost their jobs so they never learned any responsibility before going out in the real world. Instead they sat at home and learned how to steal money out of moms purse and spent it on drugs/alcohol since they had too much free time. Ok, so maybe 50 kids all arent doing drugs because of this. Some of them sat at home and played video games, which were made in Japan But anyways, self checkouts arent the topic of this thread. Im going to climb back under my rock now.

P.S. Where are the self checkouts built? I'm really curious. If they are from here then cool but if they arent Im gonna be more pissed about them

 

But just for the record, I drive a GMC Typhoon(with almost $14K in american made mods) and a Ford Contour. Before that I owned a GMC syclone, 01 S10, 03 S10, 2 87 S10 blazers, 93 S10 blazer, 91 S10, 70 Chevelle, 79 Firebird, 85 S10 Blazer and the list goes on but you see the pattern. In my garage is a 73 Z28 and an 06 Harley Davidson(and my 636 ). So I agree with buying American. My point was just that I dont know of a car out there thats 100% american.

 

Corvette's all-american :YEAH


oh wait you were talking parts content...
how about 90%- it is a world economy..

2005 Chevrolet Malibu LS Maxx 3.5v6 4spd Auto
USA Owned
USA Assembly- Kansas City, KS
Mexico Engine
USA Transmission
90% US/Canadian Parts Content

2005 Pontiac G6 Sedan 3.5 v6 4spd Auto
USA Owned
USA Assembly- Orion Township, MI
Mexico Engine
USA Transmission
90% US/Canadian Parts Content

2005 GMC Canyon 2wd Ext Cab Z85 SL 2.8 L4 5spd man
USA Owned
USA Assembly- Shreveport, LA
USA Engine
Japan Transmission
86% US/Canadian Parts Content

2005 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 6.0v8 6spd Man
USA Owned
USA Assembly- Bowling Green, KY
USA Engine
Mexico Transmission
81% US/Canadian Parts Content
And the only problem I have had with my 05 vette was a seal on the transmission... hmm the only part fropm mexico.. intresting..

2005 Ford Ranger XLX Super Cab 4x2 3.0v6 5spd Auto OD
USA Owned
USA Assembly- St. Paul, MN
USA Engine
France Transmission
80% US/Canadian Parts Content

2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 2wd Crew Cab LS 5.3v8 4spd Auto
USA Owned
Canada Assembly- Oshawa, ON
USA Engine
USA Transmission
90% US/Canadian Parts Content

it goes on and on....

info from
http://www.usstuff.com/cars2005.htm

 

abotu the steel quality yes toyota uses higher quality steel but its thinner than what gm uses... i dotn no abotu you but i liek thicker metal around me crusing down the highway at 80 even if it isnt the best you can get... you guys ever seen them older toyota pickups that rot out from half wya up the box straight back and straight down??? and them are 80's trucks weve had mid 70's gm trucks that have held together body wise wayyy better than that high quality metal toyota trucks...


i no how strict we are abotu quality at work (weld spills and metal issues) and the lengths we go to fix it.... its scary to think what toyota woudl do in the same situations beaing as they had more recalls last eyar than autos they produced..

 

Thats what scares me .. some Union slob trying to read his newspaper, napping on a cardboard box while my car is getting built. Then crying he is overworked and underpaid at 40 bucks an hour to put a hex head bolt in the hole. All the while my car is being built by sub-par workers that make 40 bucks an hour and I have to pay 30K for a truck. That's my issue... not that its not american made. If I seen the quality in the product then I wouldn't be interested taking my 20K-30K every 3-4 years elsewhere.

 

Not sure why you would be calling your dad a "Union Slob" Tony, I know he's a UNION skilled tradesman at GM Truck & Bus and thought that lazy job did a pretty good job at making you have a good childhood. I know hes a good guy cause he was over your house everyday helping you when you got hurt. So you shouldn't only be loyal to GM because it's an American Company but the fact it fed you your whole life, talk about a dog bitting it's owners hand..........

The only that truely pisses me off about someone making $40 bucks an hour for not working hard is the fact it's not me..........







Thought I bust you ***** a bit "T" just becaaaauuuse I know you started this thread to get me riled up. I'd still luv you even if you bought a Mazada even if I wouldn't buy one for many reasons.

 

I was thinking about going out on the lot earlier and looking at the parts contents of our cars so Im glad someone posted it. The only one I looked at was a pontiac vibe and it was 65% US and 35% Japan.

 

Yep, Vibe is made on the same line as the Toyota Matrix at NUMMI in California. That's why you see the high Japanese content. GM & TOYOTA have had a joint effort there for over 10 years.

If your inclined to by a foriegn car I believe Honda, Nissan & Toyota at least build some of the cars here and use some American made parts. KIA uses 1% American made parts, so don't buy one of those stupid things.

The real scary company is CHERY, they are a 100% Chinese made car and expected to start hitting the US this year. They about 40% cheaper to buy than any Japanese or American made car. Four years ago GM tried to file a lawsuit against CHERY because they took apart a GM car and copied ever single part to exact match and then started manufacturing under their name. You could actually interchange parts with the GM car. Of course GM couldn't do anything about it because it's CHINA and they don't care.

 

Those cars are ****. They had one at the NAIAS a couple years ago and there was surface rust on some of the parts already.