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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 04:50 AM
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The cops get a new toy

I guess we finally pissed them off enough :YEAH



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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 05:21 AM
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under the ganeva cnvention they are not alowed to use a 7.62 round. it is "in humane" that is why all the mils wepons are 5.56 cliper. maybe iraq police or something like that. may have them but not us./
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Re: The cops get a new toy

besides i just looked at one of the iraq ones with wooden stocks all that is , is an ak47 with a longer barrel and butstock ( not that nice ) but i guess if thats what your in to . i would rather have a mau duse or a 240 b
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under the ganeva cnvention they are not alowed to use a 7.62 round. it is "in humane" that is why all the mils wepons are 5.56 cliper. maybe iraq police or something like that. may have them but not us./
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besides i just looked at one of the iraq ones with wooden stocks all that is , is an ak47 with a longer barrel and butstock ( not that nice ) but i guess if thats what your in to . i would rather have a mau duse or a 240 b
Did you hit your head on something earlier?
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Re: The cops get a new toy

you look like a good leather neck you should know all about the ganiva . i have a hella head ack thans for asking .lol
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you look like a good leather neck you should know all about the ganiva . i have a hella head ack thans for asking .lol
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Yes my head is acheing. A head ache, the vain in my head have shrank from dehydrationo or stress. causing my blood to be pushed harder throw the vainness causing them to become sure . head ache . lol
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Re: The cops get a new toy

Originally Posted by killergoose
under the ganeva cnvention they are not alowed to use a 7.62 round. it is "in humane" that is why all the mils wepons are 5.56 cliper. maybe iraq police or something like that. may have them but not us./
So AK-47's (and pretty much the entire kalashnikov family)were banned by the geneva convention? Should I trust info from a guy who can't spell geneva?
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Well I don’t know. It could be the 3 years in the army. ( and the 6 more i just added on ) ,The fact that I am in Iraq and I have a copy of it on my desk right now or that I have to read over it to teach other soldiers. Any of that could help you. and just because I rushed throw my massage dose not have any thing to do with how smart I am .
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if you wuold like a copy i have one on this computer so just pm me .
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Re: The cops get a new toy

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if you wuold like a copy i have one on this computer so just pm me .
Actually I would. Send it to Niner1190 at yahoo dot com. I can't believe that 7.62mm is an unacceptable caliber. It's the same as a .301
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Actually I would. Send it to Niner1190 at yahoo dot com. I can't believe that 7.62mm is an unacceptable caliber. It's the same as a .301
no problom . it will be in your mail box in the morning . its 714 andi have to get up at 5 am . so i will send it to you first thing in the morning .
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no problom . it will be in your mail box in the morning . its 714 andi have to get up at 5 am . so i will send it to you first thing in the morning .
Ok. I still can't believe that an AK and an SKS are not allowed. Wait is the 7.62 diameter in general banned or the 7.62x51mm round? Is 7.62x39mm that the AK uses fair game?
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Re: The cops get a new toy

I'm in Iraq alo and the only thing you can't engage a foot soldier with here is an M2 - the 50-cal, not the 7.62. We also have AK's of our own in our company. If you want to carry it, you just sign it out. People here have 240B's as their individual weapons. I think you're on crack.

And that weapon is not an AK with a longer barrel and stock. If you have ever fired a PKC or an RPK, you would know that they are nice and smooth and don't argue with the belt like the 240B does.

Niner, PM me when you get that document and I'll send you my address.
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Re: The cops get a new toy

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I'm in Iraq alo and the only thing you can't engage a foot soldier with here is an M2 - the 50-cal, not the 7.62.
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I'm in Iraq alo and the only thing you can't engage a foot soldier with here is an M2 - the 50-cal, not the 7.62. We also have AK's of our own in our company. If you want to carry it, you just sign it out. People here have 240B's as their individual weapons. I think you're on crack.

And that weapon is not an AK with a longer barrel and stock. If you have ever fired a PKC or an RPK, you would know that they are nice and smooth and don't argue with the belt like the 240B does.

Niner, PM me when you get that document and I'll send you my address.
Didn't get it yet.
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Re: The cops get a new toy

Found this post. Note the review about how the SAW sucks and the 7.62 weapons are good and nothing about being banned.

Washington Times
November 22, 2005
Pg. 21

A Marine Reports From Iraq

By An anonymous Marine

Editor's note: There's nothing like word from the field to know what works, what doesn't and how the enemy's tactics are affecting our soldiers in battle. Below is one U.S. Marine's take on those questions, verified and relayed to us through his father, a retired Marine. We've withheld the Marine's name and his father's to spare them the inevitable political or institutional flap. Among the most interesting tidbits: Our Marine reports that servicemen are shocked at negative press coverage of the war, and they believe the United States is winning decisively -- but that the number of troops in the field should be bolstered. On equipment, our Marine thinks the older, battle-tested parts of the U.S. arsenal are the most useful equipment in the fight against insurgents. M-16s aren't much good, but "Ma Deuce" is, and the .45 pistol is highly coveted. Body armor has plusses and minuses.

Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and interested guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son... [He] spent seven months at "Camp Blue Diamond" in Ramadi, a.k.a. "Fort Apache." He saw and did a lot. The following is what he told me about weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous information which may be of interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No politics here, just a Marine with a bird's eye view's opinions.

*The M-16 rifle: Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the sand over there, which is like talcum powder. The sand is everywhere. You feel filthy two minutes after a shower. The M-4 carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it also has jamming problems. Marines like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picatinny rails, but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and even torso hits cannot be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.

*The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon) .223 cal: Big thumbs down. Drum-fed light machine gun. Universally considered a piece of stuff. Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly. That's fun in the middle of a firefight.

*The M9 Beretta 9mm: mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in a desert environment, but everyone hates the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys get hit multiple times but are still in the fight.

*Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well and is used frequently for clearing houses, to good effect.

*The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal belt-fed machine gun: Thumbs up. Developed to replace the old M-60 -- what a beautiful weapon that was -- it is accurate, reliable and the 7.62 round puts 'em down. Originally developed as a vehicle-mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up the structure over there.

*The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce" is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight-stopper, puts them in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon in-theater.

*The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there. Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one. With few exceptions, it can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a torso hit. The special-ops guys -- who are doing most of the pistol work -- use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45s are being re-issued en masse.

*The M-14: Thumbs up. It is being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a modified version to special-ops guys. Modifications include lightweight Kevlar stocks and low-power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the sandy environment, and people love the 7.62 round.

*The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out vehicle suicide bombers -- we actually stop a lot of them -- and barricaded enemies. Definitely here to stay.

*The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in 308 but some in 300 win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700s. Great performance. Snipers have been using them heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a Marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hath****'s record for confirmed kills with over 100.

*The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approximately six pounds and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as stuff to wear, almost unbearable in the summer heat, which averages over 120 degrees. Also, the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullstuff about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to improvised-explosive devices was a non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all in most cases.

*Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more of the enemy are being whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.

*Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon-mounted and personal lights are Surefires, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban operations. [Name redacted] carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved it.

I can't help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and ordnance are 50 or more years old. With all our technology, it's the World War II- and Vietnam-era weapons that everybody wants. The infantry fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.


Isn't amazing how the liberal media doesn't want us to see these things?
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Re: The cops get a new toy

Originally Posted by NINER
Found this post. Note the review about how the SAW sucks and the 7.62 weapons are good and nothing about being banned.

Washington Times
November 22, 2005
Pg. 21

A Marine Reports From Iraq

By An anonymous Marine

Editor's note: There's nothing like word from the field to know what works, what doesn't and how the enemy's tactics are affecting our soldiers in battle. Below is one U.S. Marine's take on those questions, verified and relayed to us through his father, a retired Marine. We've withheld the Marine's name and his father's to spare them the inevitable political or institutional flap. Among the most interesting tidbits: Our Marine reports that servicemen are shocked at negative press coverage of the war, and they believe the United States is winning decisively -- but that the number of troops in the field should be bolstered. On equipment, our Marine thinks the older, battle-tested parts of the U.S. arsenal are the most useful equipment in the fight against insurgents. M-16s aren't much good, but "Ma Deuce" is, and the .45 pistol is highly coveted. Body armor has plusses and minuses.

Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and interested guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son... [He] spent seven months at "Camp Blue Diamond" in Ramadi, a.k.a. "Fort Apache." He saw and did a lot. The following is what he told me about weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous information which may be of interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No politics here, just a Marine with a bird's eye view's opinions.

*The M-16 rifle: Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the sand over there, which is like talcum powder. The sand is everywhere. You feel filthy two minutes after a shower. The M-4 carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it also has jamming problems. Marines like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picatinny rails, but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and even torso hits cannot be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.

*The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon) .223 cal: Big thumbs down. Drum-fed light machine gun. Universally considered a piece of stuff. Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly. That's fun in the middle of a firefight.

*The M9 Beretta 9mm: mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in a desert environment, but everyone hates the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys get hit multiple times but are still in the fight.

*Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well and is used frequently for clearing houses, to good effect.

*The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal belt-fed machine gun: Thumbs up. Developed to replace the old M-60 -- what a beautiful weapon that was -- it is accurate, reliable and the 7.62 round puts 'em down. Originally developed as a vehicle-mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up the structure over there.

*The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce" is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight-stopper, puts them in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon in-theater.

*The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there. Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one. With few exceptions, it can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a torso hit. The special-ops guys -- who are doing most of the pistol work -- use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45s are being re-issued en masse.

*The M-14: Thumbs up. It is being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a modified version to special-ops guys. Modifications include lightweight Kevlar stocks and low-power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the sandy environment, and people love the 7.62 round.

*The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out vehicle suicide bombers -- we actually stop a lot of them -- and barricaded enemies. Definitely here to stay.

*The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in 308 but some in 300 win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700s. Great performance. Snipers have been using them heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a Marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hath****'s record for confirmed kills with over 100.

*The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approximately six pounds and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as stuff to wear, almost unbearable in the summer heat, which averages over 120 degrees. Also, the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullstuff about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to improvised-explosive devices was a non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all in most cases.

*Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more of the enemy are being whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.

*Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon-mounted and personal lights are Surefires, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban operations. [Name redacted] carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved it.

I can't help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and ordnance are 50 or more years old. With all our technology, it's the World War II- and Vietnam-era weapons that everybody wants. The infantry fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.


Isn't amazing how the liberal media doesn't want us to see these things?
I've got a 9mm with a 15 shot clip, hollowpoints and laser. That will kill anyone in my house that I don't invite........that's all I really know about guns. :YEAH
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