help to start my honda f4i
Re: help to start my honda f4i
thats what i am saying beardo that is funny. today the same problem came up the bike would not start, but my fuel was very low also and it is now the second time my fuel is low and the bike won't start. i took all the sparks plug out though and burnt them all and clean them up and the bike started again. i think i have a sparks plug problem,but my cam seal my be bad and would really like to fix it. oil is always touching the second sparks plug starting from the right, that why i am always burning the plug. could u tell me how can i fix my cam seal?? the kleen air mod thing i don't really understand it could u tell me about it tto , think there should be a picture also but i did not see any
Last edited by allenjhovan; Mar 19, 2010 at 08:07 PM.
Re: help to start my honda f4i
is this a dedicated stunt bike? if all you do is street ride i doubt you need the clean air mod but if your rockin wheelies then do it for sure. basicly the hose from the crank vent is going to be re-routed to the front, and connect in to the two hoses that go to the valve cover at the front/top of the motor. you will need to use a T fitting, disconnect the electrical connector that goes to the pair valve, (mounted to kneck of frame) dis connect hoses from pair valve connect those hoses to the T fitting and the hos from the crank vent, plug all open holes in the air box. i think you will actually eliminate one hose all together but i cant remember, but when you are done you should have only those three hoses connected together and no hoses conecting to the air box. as far as the cam seal goes i dont know about that, maybe this down load will help you http://www.gofastvideo.com/video/379...4i-Shop-Manual hope this helps, if you want that set of plugs i can find out what shipping would be and you could just pay for shipping, i know these plugs cost between 15 and 20 a plug...
Re: help to start my honda f4i
Have you noticed fuel coming out the exhaust?
I see your "bump" starting? Does that mean push starting? A dead battery can be a big problem on a fuel injected bike.
I would first look for aftermarket parts controling your fuel supply. Do you have a power commander or anything that changes your fuel mapping on the bike? If so reset it to stock mapping asap. I'm also guessing you bought this as a used stunt bike, and I'm guessing it was not ran all the time as well. Ok, I get that it is a used stunt bike because someone bypassed the tip over sensor. I'm guessing it sat for a long time because it has a dead battery.
Have you checked your fuel pressure regulator? Its a return regulator that allows/controls the amount of gas back into the gas tank. If its blocked it will over pressure the injectors & flood the engine by turning the key on when the fuel pump primes. You can watch this happen if you take of the airbox. Just take it off & turn the key while watching inside the cylinders. If you see any gas go into the cylinder you can bet its the fuel pressure regulator. I would take it off the fuel rail (has a vacuum line going to it) and clean it out or replace it. If it is not dirty or gummed up from varnished gas, maybe you have a vacuum leak and your not pulling a vacuum hard enough to redirect the fuel back to the gas tank, dumping the gas directly into your cylinder. To check vacuum, pull the hose from the regulator and if fuel is dripping/squirting out then you have a vacuum problem. There should not be any fuel in the vacuum line.
Wow there are so many things tied to a fuel injection system eh?
Also where exactly is the oil touching your plugs? Inside the cylinder or outside? This is a seperate issue and sounds to me like a bad head gasket or bad piston rings if the oil is inside the cylinder. A less likely cause could be a slightly bent valve and worn valve guide.
Also if you replace/clean the fuel pressure regulator your going to have to adjust your idle screw, I'm betting it is turned up to help the bike run with the problem. Your idle may be in the 4k range with a good fuel pressure regulator if your bike idles normal with a bad fuel pressure regulator.
To clean your regulator it should be small vacuum housing with a retaining ring on top and a diaphragm and spring on the inside, take it apart and clean in gasoline or another varnish solvent and reassemble.
One last little thing, if there is gas in your crank case oil, change it. This will happen with flooding and is common. Gas will reduce the lubrication qualities of the oil and your going to cause more damage to other parts. I would not recommend riding with that oil in it for more than a few minutes. You should check your magnetic collector in your oil drain for metal shavings. This may also give more clues to what all is wrong.
Good luck, Jah be with cha!
I see your "bump" starting? Does that mean push starting? A dead battery can be a big problem on a fuel injected bike.
I would first look for aftermarket parts controling your fuel supply. Do you have a power commander or anything that changes your fuel mapping on the bike? If so reset it to stock mapping asap. I'm also guessing you bought this as a used stunt bike, and I'm guessing it was not ran all the time as well. Ok, I get that it is a used stunt bike because someone bypassed the tip over sensor. I'm guessing it sat for a long time because it has a dead battery.
Have you checked your fuel pressure regulator? Its a return regulator that allows/controls the amount of gas back into the gas tank. If its blocked it will over pressure the injectors & flood the engine by turning the key on when the fuel pump primes. You can watch this happen if you take of the airbox. Just take it off & turn the key while watching inside the cylinders. If you see any gas go into the cylinder you can bet its the fuel pressure regulator. I would take it off the fuel rail (has a vacuum line going to it) and clean it out or replace it. If it is not dirty or gummed up from varnished gas, maybe you have a vacuum leak and your not pulling a vacuum hard enough to redirect the fuel back to the gas tank, dumping the gas directly into your cylinder. To check vacuum, pull the hose from the regulator and if fuel is dripping/squirting out then you have a vacuum problem. There should not be any fuel in the vacuum line.
Wow there are so many things tied to a fuel injection system eh?
Also where exactly is the oil touching your plugs? Inside the cylinder or outside? This is a seperate issue and sounds to me like a bad head gasket or bad piston rings if the oil is inside the cylinder. A less likely cause could be a slightly bent valve and worn valve guide.
Also if you replace/clean the fuel pressure regulator your going to have to adjust your idle screw, I'm betting it is turned up to help the bike run with the problem. Your idle may be in the 4k range with a good fuel pressure regulator if your bike idles normal with a bad fuel pressure regulator.
To clean your regulator it should be small vacuum housing with a retaining ring on top and a diaphragm and spring on the inside, take it apart and clean in gasoline or another varnish solvent and reassemble.
One last little thing, if there is gas in your crank case oil, change it. This will happen with flooding and is common. Gas will reduce the lubrication qualities of the oil and your going to cause more damage to other parts. I would not recommend riding with that oil in it for more than a few minutes. You should check your magnetic collector in your oil drain for metal shavings. This may also give more clues to what all is wrong.
Good luck, Jah be with cha!
Last edited by KillTheStreet; Mar 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM.
Re: help to start my honda f4i
yow beardo i really don't understand half of the things you are telling me to do. i am a new comer to the bike world, so i would be good if u used some picture of some that are already set up. killthestreet i dont think that i have a battery problem i only pushed started it because the bike was not starting when i button started i. the battery is now working fine and i think i have a bad cam seal because the oil is coming down on the sparks plug.
Re: help to start my honda f4i
yow beardo i really don't understand half of the things you are telling me to do. i am a new comer to the bike world, so i would be good if u used some picture of some that are already set up. killthestreet i dont think that i have a battery problem i only pushed started it because the bike was not starting when i button started i. the battery is now working fine and i think i have a bad cam seal because the oil is coming down on the sparks plug.
BTW, I doubt your cam seal is the issue because that is on the side of your motor and your getting oil on #2 spark. That tells me a seal somewhere else is your issue.
Did you even check the fuel pressure regulator I posted about?




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were is the fuel pressure regulator and i think i can do it if u guys just tell me what i should do i am really eager to learn about my bike and want to do by myself for now.
Re: help to start my honda f4i
Hey man, download the service manual beardo posted. Try google, try the search feature on the forum... Try something we posted man.
I don't think you should be doing the work yourself though... just my .02$
The fuel pressure regulator is the only thing on your fuel rail with a vacuum line man... seriously, the clues are all here in this thread and all the links posted.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but your not doing any work for yourself so I'm frustrated. We can't fix your **** if you don't know **** and are not willing to look for **** and read **** on your own.
I don't think you should be doing the work yourself though... just my .02$
The fuel pressure regulator is the only thing on your fuel rail with a vacuum line man... seriously, the clues are all here in this thread and all the links posted.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but your not doing any work for yourself so I'm frustrated. We can't fix your **** if you don't know **** and are not willing to look for **** and read **** on your own.
Re: help to start my honda f4i
u have a point killthestreet, but i did not ask for any thing dude the offer came to me and i took it yow. another thing is that now my job contract was terminated so what can i do now and i am only 20yrs old yow. i said that i was new to the bike world did'nt i and here in jamaica when u carry ur bike to the mechanic it is not a must u can get it back because the other stunt guys normally come around and take stuff or the mechanic sell ur things off ur bike there is a lot things that u don't understand here in jamaica man. if your even gonna ask if i don't have any friends that can look at it yes i do have friends that can look at it but they never come to do that is that. this is why i am asking so many question because i really don't want to make any mistake.
Re: help to start my honda f4i
um im so poor i cant pay attention...there is no way i can pay to ship you my spare plugs...sry, i was just tryin to help you out but you gotta do work to hommie.... im sure it is diferent in jamaica, but that doesnt mean you cant help yourself....download that shop manual and start looking through it, if you are eiger to learn then that is a great place to start, get familiar w/ what parts of you engine are called, (fuel pressure regulator)that way when you ask for help there can be some real comunication, i do have other stuff to do but in the interest of tryin to help you i spend time on here pecking away at my key board. the clean air mod is very simple and i might not explain it well but you should be able to manage.... you know what the crank case vent is??? do you know what the valve cover is??? there is two hoses to the valve cover (from the pair valve) and one from the crank vent, connect all three together w/ a "T" fitting. unplug the electric conector that goes to the valve mounted at the kneck of the frame (on the inside of frame) that is where the two hoses from the valve cover originaly went...disconnect it! no other hoses mater, just the three i mentioned, if the is more then that....eliminate them and plug the holes where they connected.... i know they connect to the air box so discard them (it may only be one extra hose, i cant remember) and plug the holes. if this doesnt help use the search button and search clean air mod, or f4i help page... this is the best i can do for you since i am not tearing my bike apart to take a picture for you....sry
Re: help to start my honda f4i
u guys r very helpful but now i getting the feeling that u thing that some kinda wimp or i want people to sorry for for me. i did not ask for anything i could have gotten sparks plug by myself and thanks for everything again
Re: help to start my honda f4i
Don't be a jerk or say that we are calling you a wimp, no we are calling you lazy. Straight up lazy. Google this ****, use the search button on the forum, download the factory service manual Beardo posted. Read all that you can and when you know you head from your *** about motorcycle engines then it would be a good time to come in here and ask real questions. The answer to your question is in this thread, this forum, and all over the internet.
This is my last post here because it is so frustrating that you will not do the searching and reading yourself. You will not get anywhere relying on others to tell you over the internet what is wrong with your motor if you do not follow the suggested fixes.
I told you how to test your FPR and how to clean it. That should have been the last post of the thread because I'm betting that is the main stem of the issue. I'm also betting you have MANY other issues with that bike.

Again, for the last time, all the information you need is out there now go look for it lazy ***.

I know I wasted my time typing in this thread because you didn't read **** I posted or try any suggestions posted and you probably won't even read this entire post or be able to understand my frustration still. Bottom line, you need to educate yourself, we are not going to hold your hand.
Last edited by KillTheStreet; Mar 21, 2010 at 10:05 AM.
Re: help to start my honda f4i
wow...lol no dont think your a wimp or anything els just ignorent....all that means is you dont know..... so now is your time to learn, we all did it at some point.... check out the manual and educate yourself....i have done what i can do, let me know how it goes for you.... do you have gauges on that bike??






