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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zuki750
The mortgage company did not convince you to buy a home. A home is not a short term investment, at least not anymore. Would you rather pay rent for 30 years?
I would have rather paid rent for the last 2-3 years and bought my house for what it is worth now....
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Originally Posted by Zuki750
You need to get yourself off the system. I realize that takes time. The system isn't perfect but it sure as hell doesn't help when people abuse it. If everyone was honest, it would probably work.
i'm almost off of it. the only thing i have right now is insurance on my children. they need it. i don't even have insurance and until i have a job that offers it for them they're going to stay on it.
i totally get what you're saying....and yes, what a great world it would be if everyone was honest.....but that will never happen. look at the politicians, they're the worst. i don't ever see it happening.
i used to never want to take advantage of the system...never. i would only take what i needed. then, i tried to get help in mass while i was living there for just PART of my daycare....nope, i made too much money somehow, as i'm leaving the office once they declined me in walks a black girl, with her 5 kids, all wearing fubu puffy coats and she had her hair and nails did and she's collecting welfare check....pffft. ever since then i've been for ******* the system.
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I hope becky finishes school well before the kids start costing a lot of money so we can bankroll for a while
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Originally Posted by scott3824
no ones home value will increase like they did from 1975-2005 ... that was the housing bubble and it was caused by the system, housing will not be an investment like it once was - not again in our lifetime. The market will correct itself and housing will begin to rise again - but never will we see profits like people were seeing off their houses 4 - 6 years ago.
My parents bought their house for 30k in the 70's and its worth 900k now. I agree that returns like that are completely out of the picture now but I do believe that you buy a house for 300k now that in 30 years the property will be worth well over a million - maybe more.
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Originally Posted by OnEWhEeLNEAL
No matter what real estate values always go up. The market may go down like it did over the past few years but if you hold a property for 20 or 30 years there's no way youre not gonna double/triple your investment.
That's great in 20-30 years, but I don't want to raise a family in a 890 square foot ranch.....
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No matter what real estate values always go up. The market may go down like it did over the past few years but if you hold a property for 20 or 30 years there's no way youre not gonna double/triple your investment.
I disagree for a few reasons.

1.) There is a cap on certain areas, like my neighborhood is pretty nice - but houses will never sell for 250k around me. Bottom Line.

2.) The last 2 years was a serious bubble burst, things will not inflate over the next 30 years like they did over the previous, like i said in my previous post the market will turn around in about 4 years and the economy will start rolling again but housing will not climb in value like it once did, it will be much slower and steadier.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
I hope becky finishes school well before the kids start costing a lot of money so we can bankroll for a while
i'm assuming that will happen sometime between the ages of 11-14
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Originally Posted by NINER
That's great in 20-30 years, but I don't want to raise a family in a 890 square foot ranch.....
so maybe you bought the wrong house.
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I would have rather paid rent for the last 2-3 years and bought my house for what it is worth now....
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Which is why i am ready to have lacey get a loan before we are married, get a newer, bigger house for cheaper and the bank can have my ****
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Originally Posted by OnEWhEeLNEAL
My parents bought their house for 30k in the 70's and its worth 900k now. I agree that returns like that are completely out of the picture now but I do believe that you buy a house for 300k now that in 30 years the property will be worth well over a million - maybe more.
It depends on location and inflation. At some point houses have to stop going up faster than inflation. You can only commit so much of you paycheck to housing. Location is going to play a much larger role in housing as an investment.
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Originally Posted by Zuki750
I always liked the term "buyer beware". The loan companies didn't **** anyone, people fucked themselves. Were the terms of the loans not disclosed? Did they guarantee people that interest rates would never go up?
It was more like "You have 3 years to lock in a rate for 30 years" Was never told the truth about refinancing, how you have to pay closing costs again. I was just told that I could pay less for the first 3 years, and lock in an intrest rate at any time. No I am stuck with an ever adjusting ARM because I don't have the money to refinance since my house is worth 1/2 what I paid for it.
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Originally Posted by scott3824
I disagree for a few reasons.

1.) There is a cap on certain areas, like my neighborhood is pretty nice - but houses will never sell for 250k around me. Bottom Line.

2.) The last 2 years was a serious bubble burst, things will not inflate over the next 30 years like they did over the previous, like i said in my previous post the market will turn around in about 4 years and the economy will start rolling again but housing will not climb in value like it once did, it will be much slower and steadier.
Well everyones entitled to have their opinions but imo, even in your neighborhood property values will go up. There's no way that the values will stay at 250k with inflation and cost of living increases. Basically what youre saying is that you buy a house for 250k now and in 30 years it'll still be worth 250k. Impossible. I agree on the slower and steadier increase but most people buy properties to live in them for the rest of their lives so you buy a property now, it will increase in value over your life in the house. There's no more buy a property for 250k now and in a year it'll be worth 350k. The whole economy was fucked up a few years ago and people had a lot of money coming in so they were paying up for houses. Ive seen buyers pay 50k over what the property was worth because they wanted that house. That **** doesnt happen anymore.
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It was more like "You have 3 years to lock in a rate for 30 years" Was never told the truth about refinancing, how you have to pay closing costs again. I was just told that I could pay less for the first 3 years, and lock in an intrest rate at any time. No I am stuck with an ever adjusting ARM because I don't have the money to refinance since my house is worth 1/2 what I paid for it.
Have values really dropped like that around you? My house is still worth more than I paid for it 3 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Zuki750
I always liked the term "buyer beware". The loan companies didn't **** anyone, people fucked themselves. Were the terms of the loans not disclosed? Did they guarantee people that interest rates would never go up?
Actually a lot of them did. I have a few friends that did motgage brokering and I heard some stories that are not nice. SO what a young lady that is not the smartest financially and gets confused with all the technical jargon but knows a house is a smarter way to go than renting deserves to get fucked because she trusted the lender who made it look like she made more than she really did so she was pre-approved for more and ended up in a house she couldn't afford because she trusted someone that is supposed to be a professional deserved it?

that was meant to be a runon sentence
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Originally Posted by KC Becky
so maybe you bought the wrong house.
I bought the perfect first house that I planned on staying in for 5-6 years. Now I am stuck. I should burn the ****** down.
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Have values really dropped like that around you? My house is still worth more than I paid for it 3 years ago.
According to who?

Values have dropped like that all over. California, arizona, orlando, atlanta, detroit, chicago ....
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Originally Posted by Zuki750
It depends on location and inflation. At some point houses have to stop going up faster than inflation. You can only commit so much of you paycheck to housing. Location is going to play a much larger role in housing as an investment.
I dont agree. What you saw a couple of years ago, as property values went up, interest rates went down which made the payment more managable. I agree that only so much of your check can go to paying your mortgage and thats why the banks have debt ratios in place. The thing was that last year debt ratios didnt matter because if you didnt have enough income to qualify, you just threw them into a no income check loan and that was it. Location plays the biggest role in housing as an investment but I dont care where you live - whether its the ghetto or the burbs, if you buy a property now over the next 30 years you will see an increase and at least double your money
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Now that I think about it, housing is not a good investment if you are living in it anyway. If house prices go up, when you sell you have to buy another house at the inflated prices. If they go down, you buy cheaper. The only way to make money on a house is fix it up to increase the value despite the market or not have to buy another one when you sell.



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