Originally Posted by JPratt

God, what is this going to be bash Tony D month??? Get the fu(k off his dick already... Nobody gives a damn if you like him or not, he's still going to be breathing... Because of some footage MTV shows, you guys gotta keep coming up with gay *** threads like this??? STFU already... And instead of talking about what the europeans can do, how about you talk about your skills and how you have a leg up on Tony D????

People need to just worry about their own riding skills and keep other peoples names out their fu(kin mouths til they can even say they been down the same road as some of these others that have been in the game and put **** down...

Originally Posted by BostonBadBoy

shut up this is a forum people can say anything they want

Originally Posted by Darius

I am selling bumper sticker's that say " I know Tony D" $2.95

Originally Posted by Veggie Dave

Actually, there's a Hell of a lot more riders than that. Few are true innovators, but there are a lot of riders in Europe who can ride to unbelievable levels

Originally Posted by Veggie Dave

There are a handful of full time riders, but it really is only a handful. You seem to think it's a stunt nirvana over here - it's not

Originally Posted by Veggie Dave

Sadly completely wrong. If a rider makes certain they're never seen doing 'illegal' riding then that's one obstacle they don't have to over come, but there's only two factory sponsored riders that I can think of - Kev Carmicheal (Triumph) and Craig Jones (Buell). I'm not even sure if Christian Pfeffier is sponsored by Ducati rather than a Ducati dealership

Originally Posted by Veggie Dave

Again you're wrong, sadly. There are some shows over here that are huge, such as Burns Day, but they're few and far between. In France it has a fairly good reputation, but in the rest of Europe it's no different to the States. Hell, I risk 10 years in jail for producing the films we do because stunting is considered one of the worst things you could ever do on a road

Originally Posted by rbab77

tony d likes to self proclaim alot of things. most of them should come with a roll of toilet paper.

Originally Posted by D-UNIT dem xpt

yes but werent we talking about the innovators...that is what this thread was originally about correct?

Originally Posted by Veggie Dave

IIRC, the point I was trying to make was that you don't have to be an innovator to be an amazing rider and that while Kev, Christian and A.C. are incredibly innovative there are a hell of a lot of other riders who are almost as good as these guys, just not as imaginative. Does that make sense? While there are only a handful of, well, geniuses, there's a large number of riders who wouldn't look out of place duelling against the very top riders



Again I've explained this badly. Out of the top twelve riders at this year's World Stunt Championship, only two are fulltime riders as far as I know. The riders aren't good because it's all they do, they're good because they've put the time into it, just like everyone else in whatever country they live in

Nor are they innovators because they don't have real jobs, either, they're innovators because they just are



It is absolutely true that manufacturers won't touch you if you portray an illegal image - but that's not the factory's fault, that's down to the rider. A factory cannot, and will not, ever allow itself to be seen to promote an illegal activity. That doesn't mean you can't be a street rider and not get big time sponsorship - the Starboyz are a good example of this - but not being 'gangsta' sure helps. Being absolutely professional helps more, though. They're never going to give bikes and help to someone who's going to make them look bad. And remember that the Japanese are very, very big on honour and respect. If you want them to play the game then you have to play theirs

But the only reason no one's got that sort of sponsorship in the US yet is because no one's approached the right person in the right way with the right proposal. It's all business to them and nothing more, you just need the right business proposal



Well, this is a discussion I've had a number of times on here. Quite honestly, your shows seem to be mostly comps and sound about as exciting as watching grass grow. I love stunts but there's no way in hell I'm going to spend $20 to watch hours of the single trick contests that seem to make up almost all of your shows. 20 guys doing a slow wheelie comp? No ****in' thanks! I want to watch a rider or a team rip my face off for at least 20 minutes without repeating tricks - now that's a show! I could watch that all day because that would be entertaining. And that's why shows like Burns Day are as popular as they are - they're non-stop entertainment that can be enjoyed by all the family. It's not because it's any easier over here, it's because the show organisors have thought about what they're doing and created shows that everyone can enjoy

And that sort of show format also breeds much better, far more versatile riders, too. You simply can't get away with only ten tricks in your arsenal, that you can do in less than five minutes which means for the next fifteen minutes all you can do is repeat what you've already done, because you won't win bugger all (as Tony D found out in France - and I bet he doesn't make that mistake next time, either), and most show organisors ain't gonna pay you to do their shows, either, because they want someone to entertain the crowds...

Hmm, that's a long winded way of saying, the difference between here and there is attitude and nothing more

Originally Posted by Veggie Dave

Hmm, that's a long winded way of saying, the difference between here and there is attitude and nothing more

Originally Posted by rsx929rr

and yet another waste of thread space

Originally Posted by sclevela

do u need a hug from an armless dead gay midget?