When are you most likely to loop?

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Old Jun 17, 2003 | 06:55 AM
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When are you most likely to loop?

I was just wondering what is the most common way people loop their bikes when doing a wheelie. Is it because they're in first gear and it's just too torquey and jumps up too fast, or is it in highter gears and the air becomes a factor and pushes them over? Are they not covering the back brake?

I'm just trying not to do it myself. The only time I've felt close myself, was riding them in first and either coming up too fast or just a little too much throttle input.
Old Jun 17, 2003 | 10:03 AM
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just remember to cover your rear brake
Old Jun 17, 2003 | 10:28 AM
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if it comes up and you get scared and freeze up
guess what... you going down...
Old Jun 17, 2003 | 10:47 AM
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Don't get scared

When you ride a wheelie and you feel it coming back to far don't freeze like old boy said just cover your rear brake hit it and it will bring you back down kind of hard sometimes bu that is better than loopin out.
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Keep your Cool= No Loop

Panic and Loose Cool= Looped bike and Road Rash

WTF Just Happened= The Unpredictable...Happens so fast you have no time to react.
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 01:18 AM
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i can power wheelie good, but i wouldn't mind kickin the habit for some clutchin, but when ever i screw around with it, it seems way inconsistent,i know im not doing it right, but about how many rpms do you jump? and seems like i would be more likely to loop, im no ******, once i figure out what the hell im doin wrong i'll fix it, any imput would be appreciated
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Duffman
clutchin, but when ever i screw around with it, it seems way inconsistent,i
im the opposite. Ever time i clutch it , it comes up the same every single time. I love the clutch.
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 10:28 AM
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I totally disagree about all of these responses. The #1 way everyone loops their bike is when everyone is around and you try to show off. When you are learning to wheelie only go out with one friend. Always have at least one person there just in case you do crash.

Power Wheelie vs. clutching it. You are more likely to loop when you clutch it up. The reason being is that the bike comes up so much faster then a power wheelie.

Power Wheelie vs. Clutching if you do loop. With that said I would take looping a clutch up over a power wheelie any day. You will be near 60 mph in 1st gear during the height of you power wheelie vs. clutching it you will only be around 20-25 mph.

References: 4 hot big-breasted blond women eating lunch at the industrial park. I go by and do one of the longest stoppies to date. Turn around and clutch it up at 10 mph and loop right in front of them. It worked. They ran over scraped me off the ground and took me inside to clean out my cuts. Showing off gets you all the time.
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I tend to go along with the clutch-it-up technique. The times that I've come closest to looping have been when I've used power only to get it up. This requires that you use much more throttle to get it up than you need to keep it up. If you don't release throttle quick enough, you go too far. When clutching, you're relying on engine inertia to bring the front wheel up and as it rises, you're at relatively even throttle already and can modulate from there.

Part of the problem too, is that I currently start all my wheelies in first gear and try to shift to second, if there's enough room. I'm still working on second gear clutch up's (which is really the only option in 2nd on a stock 929), but I don't think I'm letting it rev enough because I can't get the front wheel more than a foot off the ground (I know, I'm being a *****). I've been trying it during regular street riding, but I really need to go somewhere and practice. Shifting in the wheelie works sometimes, but I occasionally don't put enough force on the lever and throw it into neutral. That sucks...and looks really stupid.

When people do loop, is it usually when they're bringing the front up, or while they're riding it out?
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Originally posted by ftrain
I totally disagree about all of these responses.
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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I agree that power wheelies get you in trouble REAL fast. I was never a believer until Nags and Ice convinced me clutching it up is where its at. Like said, Im coming up at 15-20mph, instead of 40-50. Always cover that rear brake. Practice, practice, and more practice.

But what do I know? I flipped a stoppie last week
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:08 PM
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I have a question to add. My biggest problem with clutching it up is that I'm not sure how far to wind the engine up before popping out the clutch. Either I don't do it enough, so I just lunge foreward, or pull a bitching mouse trap. OR, I rev it to where it sounds so ****ing wound out, that if I pop the clutch I'm going to the moon. Is it just me? Should I try for the moon or what? I would just hate to flip my gixxer down the street because I never consulted the pro's.
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:22 PM
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i would have to say that you are more likely to loop a power wheelie than clutching it up. clutching is the way to go.
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Lotensin22
I have a question to add. My biggest problem with clutching it up is that I'm not sure how far to wind the engine up before popping out the clutch. Either I don't do it enough, so I just lunge foreward, or pull a bitching mouse trap. OR, I rev it to where it sounds so ****ing wound out, that if I pop the clutch I'm going to the moon. Is it just me? Should I try for the moon or what? I would just hate to flip my gixxer down the street because I never consulted the pro's.
I have the same bike. I too busy concentrating on other factors besides looking at the rpm;s, so I cant specifically say what rpm Im bringing it up at. Honestly, I used to be ssaced you know what of clutching. Just practice little at a time, practice makes perfect. PM if you need any more help. You'll get the hang of it
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 03:51 PM
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Rpm's don't matter, even if its stock geared you should be able to clutch it up w/ no problem. Just roll about 20-30mph and bang!! The #1 time that you loop, is when you start worrying about looping!
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When I do it, I'm not worrying. When I'm on my way to where I pull em is where I start thinking worrying about everything. Of course, then I get there and I get all calm, and just start trying ****, grinning away inside my lid. Of course, I learned not to do stuff when people are watching, I agree that when you try to show off is when you eat it. I was cruising around my neighbor hood, my neighbor always rides wheelies on his dirtbike out front, so I come around the corner in the high chair position, just practicing turning right, well, I decide to be Billy Badass for a day and pull a high chair endoe. Well, long story short, I hit a rock right as it was coming up, didn't flip it (surprisingly) got a mad wobble, and shot into the curb still up on the front. The tail flipped down as I hit face first (I love my helmet) and flipped away. It caught my leg and pinned my shin between the tail and edge of curb, as the bike slid about 10 feet. The rear tire also tried to wrap my leg up. That's why I don't do dumb **** in neighborhoods!!
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Old Jun 18, 2003 | 08:38 PM
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Just stand up and roll on the throttle (not all the way, just like 3/4) and when the tach sweeps up to where the bike starts to really pull (about 7k on my F4 and F4i) jsut one finger the clutch like your pullin the trigger on a gun. it might come up, it migh not but thats your starting point, now you know wether or not you need to make adjustments to make it come up higher or whatever. Keep trying diffrent things but do them one at a time so you know what made it work.
Old Jun 18, 2003 | 10:09 PM
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when your on a gixxer 6 you shouldnt have to bounce it off the rev limiter when you clutch it to get it up. just get rollin like 15-20 mph and pop the clutch. the key is with a 6 hundy is to compress the forks. it takes lots and lots of practice. always use the clutch!!!!!!!! you can always replace the clutch if there it were. its tough to replace a bike when you loop it!



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