i changed my clutch 3 times already and iinstalled new springs everytime.... i always installed the barnett clutch plates and springs . could it be the springs ??? if i loosen them a bit will the pull be easier ... ...cuz when the clutch was brand new the clutch was really easy to pull in but everytime i burnt it up the pull got harder ....

 

It's probably them springs

If you still have your stock springs, you MAY be able to put them back in (check with someone else on that though cause I'm not sure..)

I know most aftermarket clutches, have stiffer springs, so the clutch engauges harder
When we put a barnet clutch in my friends raptor660, his clutch pull got WAY stiffer.. The kit said right on it "if clutch pull is too hard, install the factory springs"

also do not losen the springs, they need whatever torque they are made for.. But you can change the springs out i'm pretty sure



And if your burning clutches up, your doing something SERIOUSLY WRONG! I'm still on the OEM bone stock clutch in my f4i, and I have 26,000 on in! I bought the bike with 14,000 miles, and put 12,000 hard miles on it..

Hell even once, at about 16,000 I was learning rolling burnouts, and I burnt my clutch to hell... I tried rolling a burnout at about 30, and juts slipped my clutch and burnt it to **** for about 20 seconds near rev limiter...
After that, I tried clutching up a 1st gear at 30mph, the bike would NOT come up..

I got on the highway, EVERY gear I put it in, if I hit the throttle it went straight to redline...

I quit stunting it for 500 miles, just cruised through town, after a couple days, it was perfect, I never changed it..

10,000 miles later I'm still stunting on the same clutch, that was once 'burnt and toast' but now works perfect LMAO

 

I had a ASV lever on my bike last year and was going to go with a Moose lever not the easy pull system just the lever. Anybody have any experience wiht the Moose or should I just go MSR.

 

+1 Happened to me on my F3 and F4i. Use the MSR alone. Run the cables right and it will be like butter.

 

I think your right, i think it is the springs. and i adjusted the cable near the clutch arm and the pull got easier. now its pretty easy to pull in. Here are the times i burnt my clutch
1st- Trying to do my First burnout and let the clutch out too slow tire didnt spin and i stayed on the gas for about 25 seconds at 10,000 rpm
Second - Learning rolling burnouts ....wasn't totally done but changed it anyway
Third- Burned it up trying to learn drifting....I still have this clutch installed. doesn't slip at all but i had to adjust the cable all the way so it engages fully.

The good news is i can do burnouts and drifting now without burning up my clutch lol

And i threw away my stock springs,, when i buy a new clutch should i just get the stock OEM clutch plates and springs?

 

buy some oem springs and put those in, clean your clutch cable and lube it up, make sure it routed correctly (fewest bends possible), the hole closest to the bars is the easy setting on MSR raptor levers, make sure the little guide thing is lined up in the right slot too...should be sweet like mayonaise.

I put a MSR pro raptor lever on my quad, clean all my **** up and lubed it a few months ago and it made all the difference in the world. the only thing that sucks about the MSR is the retarded adustment thing, just use the stock one on the MSR perch.

 

those moose systems are garbage.. break easy. have fun with that ****.. just run the lever.. dont be a *****

 

somebody should mass produce those $

 

So does anybody have any comments on just the moose lever, compared to the msr.

 

If I actually had skills with a welder I would

But if you saw my clutch arms on all my toys, you'd laugh and wouldn't give me more then $5 for one


But eh mine work, and I'm doing all my friends toys because they need a butter clutch like mine :YEAH


I think they are pretty much the same thing except the moose is older, has less adjustment, and is the older design..

 

ive tried both, the moose is garbage! +1000000000 on the msr clutch , i had the moose system on my bike (borrowed from friend to try out) it was brand new 2nd day using it practicing circles i was feathering the clutch and the cable dissconnected wich i hear happens alot

 

stiffer clutch springs add more life to a clutch.....if your clutch is getting hammered so frequently is either because its out of adjustment, you abuse it or your inner hub and/or clutch basket has some serious grooves in it. Im guessing you bought new fibers and steel plates when you replaced it each time...?

 

I think hes just trippin and adjustes his clutch wrong, or burns its BAD and doens't give it time to burn off hte glazing before riding again lol...


Cause im still on a STOCK clutch on my 26,000 mile f4i.. And I burnt it up around 16,000, yet I just kept riding and it eventually started grabbing again....



Either way, 3 clutches on any bike with less then 60k something is wrong


edit: im not sure but when he said moose I think he was talking about hte moose lever
http://www.haibikeshop.com/store/ind...products_id=64

which I believe is just kinda a older version of msr

 

well ...IMO ...Moose ****** sucks ....that stupid easy pull system is older than a 12 year old design (I tried using it on a KX500 I was racing in the mid 90's) It was junk back then ...and it is still junk.

For that reason ...i wouldn't buy any moose products unless they truly and easily surpassed all other brands. Stupid easy pull ****** crap-o-waste -o-money.

I agree that extended clutch arms are the best ....msr raptor is second best...AND I also agree (from experience) that two mods in conjunction with each other is TOO MUCH...and does NOT work as good as either Mod works by itself

 

1 that moose lever is the same design as the msr just with 2 adjustments instead of 3... 10 years old? so whats that make the msr, 9 years old?


2 extedned clutch arms + msr's do work together.. Thats the boss setup most everyone uses.. Why WOULDN"t they work together? Hell I got about 3/4" freeplay in my clutch if I don't lock the adjuster to have it close to my bar.. And thats with a MSR + 1/2" longer clutch arm..

Btw my clutch is soo easy to pulll.. I'll never get strained..
with JUST a msr I was still getting fatigued.. Only thing holding my riding back was my clutch finger getting tired.. I always get tired and get sloppy on the clutch, and start pulling on it mid wheelie, and slipping it weird when trying to pop one up.

 

+1 im going to go with the msr pro raptor on my f4easy, like i said before my boy had that setup on his and hasnt had any problems his cable still looks new,plus the arm mod sounds like it woulld help alot .

 

okay there is some confusion in this thread...there are three things being talked about:

1) MSR Pro Raptor EZ-Pull Lever
2) Moose EZ-Pull Lever
3) Moose EZ-Pull "System"

If you were to do a search (god forbid) on this topic, you'd find that EVERYONE HATES the Moose EZ-Pull "System". Which is the box with the stupid pulleys and **** thats got an awesome reputation for fraying cables and looping people mid wheelie.

Then you have the two LEVERS, both the Moose and MSR LEVERS use the same perch. There are only 2 differencesbetween them:

1) the MSR has 3 options for adjustment while the Moose only has two.
2) the MSR is a square-ish lever w/ a rubber "pad" for your finger while the moose is just a regular style clutch lever

Both share the same SHITTY adjuster that should be propmtly throwin in the fire as soon as you open the box...just use the stock adjuster. Some say the moose lever is slighly better quality...whatever they are pretty much the same damn thing. I have the MSR, its good.

Bottom line don't buy the Moose EZ Pull System...it blows big fat donkey **** and will cause you to loop.

 

ya i adjusted the cable by the clutch arm and my msr clutch is really easy to pull in now

 

Yup I was just talking about the Moose lever, but after all this im going to go with the msr lever, im going to fab up a clutch arm 1/2 inch longer also and see how that goes

 

how come u cant make the clutch arm bigger than 1/2 inches ???