Spark~R.O.C.

Which gear for 12's- 1st or 2nd. I have a gixxer600 -1 +5.

R1on1

id go with 1st. but thats just my 2 cents

MI Xtremes Dave

definitlt first bro, 2nd you'll have too much speed if you hit it. you dont want to hit the bar with too much speed.

JAY D

For sure use first gear. What is your gearing on your bike?

Spark~R.O.C.

my **** is -1 +5 on a 525 o ring.

Spark~R.O.C.

No bar yet, I ve read that it is better to learn without a bar. Right?

PavementEater

I've heard everything. I'm gunna be practicing without a bar, just cause I have to make one, cause its a pain in the *** to get one for a 6r.

JAY D

to learn with a bar or not really depends who you ask. But for one thing a bar does not give and a tail section does.. Go with what ever you feel comfortable with.

NCLR1

I've been tryin with no bar and doing OK. I know a lot of guys around here though that put bars on first and have had bad wrecks. It's not that the bar made them wreck, but they weren't great first gear slow wheeliers to begin with. I think they just pushed themselves to hard.

MI Xtremes Dave

Personally, I'd rather put a bar on it than have to replace a tail section.........I'd make one short enuf to just protect the light

DSOG Thomas

12 ing and scraping are 2 different things

if u are learning to 12 you are most likely gonna gorilla scrape a bunch of times and also be slightly sideways a lot.... if you gorilla scrape a bar sideways you are more likely to wreck and you will also cause damage to your subframe and possibly frame

Gsxr- first you will brake the bolt holes on the lower 2 legs of the subframe, then you will break the 2 tabs on the frame itself that hold the subframe at the top

if you gorilla scrape your tail/pipe it all gives and can be easily replaced once you are confident

if you arent scraping/parking/doing bar tricks why have a bar?