question on comp. guidelines
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question on comp. guidelines
I was wondering… if there were guidelines on determining who is a pro and who is considered an amateur. I was looking around and didn’t see anything, being that there are lots of events coming up I thought it might come in handy to know the guidelines, if there are any. I’m not looking for names, but more of a criteria to determine who is competing at what level for future events.
Things like… are riders no longer considered an amateur if you place in the top 3 at an event. Or is the rider only allowed so many amatuer wins before the rider has to move up to compete in the pro comps. Just wanted to get peoples input on what they think the guidelines are for each or what people think the guidelines should be for each.
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Things like… are riders no longer considered an amateur if you place in the top 3 at an event. Or is the rider only allowed so many amatuer wins before the rider has to move up to compete in the pro comps. Just wanted to get peoples input on what they think the guidelines are for each or what people think the guidelines should be for each.
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Right now it's pretty much up to the organizer of the event to determine who belongs in which class. Seeing as there is no nationally recognized governing body for amateur and pro riders, it's anyone's call. I'd like to hear everyone's suggestions though.
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well since it still seems up in the air maybe we as a group (since pretty much all the crews and people who have the comps/events seem to post here) could come up with guidelines to follow for all the events we (the members of stuntlife) plan. Maybe we could rank people here by creating classes together? It makes sense to me personnally. I mean who better to seperate and "rank" stunners then the stunners themselves and those who know the "goings on" of the stuntworld. Think about it if u dont make an event where do u go to find out who won what??????? STUNTLIFE! So where better to accurately depict rider classes? Riders could move up or down in ranks according to the results posted here for every event, by taking their finish position and comparing it to a few contributing factors like event size, ranking of the other riders in the event, and what events that rider competed in (thus also opening the ability for an up and coming rider to possibly compete as a pro in say "slowest wheelie" which he or she maybe very good at and still retain his or her amateur status for say an endo/ stoppie comp for example)
i dunno just another one of my rambles i guesss........... i think im kinda smart sometimes so it makes me talk tooooooooo much bullshit!
i dunno just another one of my rambles i guesss........... i think im kinda smart sometimes so it makes me talk tooooooooo much bullshit!
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man, i just wrote about a page worth of crap and i have deleted it all in conclusion that:
There is TOO much talent to have some bogus judge decide who's better than who.
Leave it to the measuring tapes and stop watches.
There is TOO much talent to have some bogus judge decide who's better than who.
Leave it to the measuring tapes and stop watches.
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Originally posted by sclevela
(thus also opening the ability for an up and coming rider to possibly compete as a pro in say "slowest wheelie" which he or she maybe very good at and still retain his or her amateur status for say an endo/ stoppie comp for example)
(thus also opening the ability for an up and coming rider to possibly compete as a pro in say "slowest wheelie" which he or she maybe very good at and still retain his or her amateur status for say an endo/ stoppie comp for example)
though, i dont agree with the "stuntlife judgement board"
until there is touring competition in which ALL events are sanctioned and sponsored by the same promoters, the individuals who are in controll of the event have the upper hand.
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Originally posted by BigBalla
There is TOO much talent to have some bogus judge decide who's better than who.
Leave it to the measuring tapes and stop watches.
There is TOO much talent to have some bogus judge decide who's better than who.
Leave it to the measuring tapes and stop watches.
Here's a question for everyone: Who should the judges be?
Most sports use retired athletes/coaches as judges. Our sport is still so new that there are no retirees.
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Originally posted by BigBalla
though, i dont agree with the "stuntlife judgement board"
though, i dont agree with the "stuntlife judgement board"
Originally posted by BigBalla
until there is touring competition in which ALL events are sanctioned and sponsored by the same promoters, the individuals who are in controll of the event have the upper hand.
until there is touring competition in which ALL events are sanctioned and sponsored by the same promoters, the individuals who are in controll of the event have the upper hand.
Originally posted by Dirty B
Who should the judges be?
Most sports use retired athletes/coaches as judges. Our sport is still so new that there are no retirees. [/B]
Who should the judges be?
Most sports use retired athletes/coaches as judges. Our sport is still so new that there are no retirees.
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honestly there arent any retirees in our sport but there are alot of riders out there that are very involved in the sport that for one reason or another choose not to compete this is the pool of people we need to draw from to judge. Personally a group like the starboyz i think would make great judges. they know the difficulty of the tricks, they know how to please a crowd, and they know what its like to put on a show!
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gonna be hard way of doing it, anyway you look at it. It's not like racing, where you have track times, standings to keep up with, etc. Stunting is a whole different ballgame, where true, a 1/4 mile long bar drag at 16 inches per hour may be excellent, but if you can't get the back tire off the ground, how would you be ranked? The whole ranking system would be one nightmare after another. You have endos and wheelies, and the various forms of it, then two up stunts, burnout stunts, and saddle tricks. That's pretty much the major defining areas of it, but where does it go from there? Until this sport gets MAJOR publicity, and MAJOR backing, the way it's being done right now is the best way I can think of to do it. A preliminary elimination, to find out which riders belong and which riders just don't bring enough to the table. Then the main event, and everythign being judged either by a tape and a watch, by a panel, or by the audience.
I'm going to get slammed for this, I know, but the closest thing I can think of, at the moment, to relate stunting to in the rest of the real world sports is some sort of gymnastics, or figure skating. After all, stunting is acrobatics using a motorcycle (or quad, as the case may be). How are they judged and governed? That's somethign worth looking into, I suppose.
I'm going to get slammed for this, I know, but the closest thing I can think of, at the moment, to relate stunting to in the rest of the real world sports is some sort of gymnastics, or figure skating. After all, stunting is acrobatics using a motorcycle (or quad, as the case may be). How are they judged and governed? That's somethign worth looking into, I suppose.
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Originally posted by doc_rock
I'm going to get slammed for this, I know, but the closest thing I can think of, at the moment, to relate stunting to in the rest of the real world sports is some sort of gymnastics, or figure skating.
I'm going to get slammed for this, I know, but the closest thing I can think of, at the moment, to relate stunting to in the rest of the real world sports is some sort of gymnastics, or figure skating.
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the only way to do all this is to have a point's system.I think the best way to judge is just like BMX,skateboard,and freestyle motox.A few judges that look at style..control...skill...ect.Then the hardest part...figuring out what event's are going to count in the point system.We need a FSA Freestyle stunter association....lol.But if you think about it....that's pretty much what the xsba it right?
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Originally posted by Pete_SOI
We need a FSA Freestyle stunter association....lol.But if you think about it....that's pretty much what the xsba it right?
We need a FSA Freestyle stunter association....lol.But if you think about it....that's pretty much what the xsba it right?
yes and no.
the xsba is its own entity. Now it does do alot for the riders (dont get me wrong) and i think we should support it 100% but my posts are more along the lines of the riders themselves looking out for their own best interests in these "non-sanctioned" events. I f u guys as the competitors were to setup a set of criteria as far as payouts, rankings, judging, events and what not for these promoters and teams that are having these events (sorta like a set of guidelines or a blueprint for these events to follow) it would make alot of thigs happen. The events would be more fair, the evnts would be more organized (thus causing 2 things 1) more spectators due to the fact that an organized event is more enjoyable to watch, and 2) more events per year, if promoters that are new to this sport have a preset blueprint for a competition it would be much less intimidating for them to throw an event because the actual event planning would be mostly laid out for them!), the payouts would be more consistant and u would know what ur traveling for and who will be there and what yer chances of earning part of that payout would be, a united front on the part of the riders would cause less situations of the riders being taken advantage of by promoters (a promoter is much more likely to screw over 3 guys than he/she is to screw all of the stunting community!), and lastly (for now lol) u would see it become a much less intimidating sport for new riders to break into. Think about it if u set up guidelines for different classes then new riders would know ahead of time that they would not have to compete against a kyle woods or a chauncey viera (sp. sorry). Look at dirtbike racing for example, if these guys just statin out knew that every time they raced they had to get on the track and try and qualify against pros would they ever show up? of course not y spend the money on a bike, and travel expenses to wash out the first day during qualifying. so they make different classes for age / skill so everyone has a chance to compete against others at their skill level!
there is a catch though. none of this works without all the riders looking past the bullshit and working together. U cannot have a class set standard and then have riders say yeah well we know that this event doesnt follow the industry guidelines but **** it we wanna go out there anyway and compete even if it is unfair! If we (as stunters) force the industry to follow guidelines we set early then it willl quickly become the norm. Instead of waiting even longer for things to get more confusing and then it will be that much harder to make the sport conform to a better more positive venue!
Basically this is still the stunters sport it hasnt been taken over by big business and companies yet! Keep it yer sport by setting it up the right way now then when big promoters and big companies start coming into play the sport will be shaped the way u wnat it!
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a point of veiw from a spectator, and amature stunter,
i think all of you guys are making serious sense, it sounds weird coming from a bunch of guys who thrive to abuse a ten thousand dollar peice of machinery, but you are hitting the nail right on the head, i go to at least 10 events every summer, and one of my main gripes every time is the events are not organized, too many people show up to compete, practice goes on for hours, and the event gets pushed and hurried to the last possible minute. now what i beleive should happen, and im no college graduate or any thing, i beleive someone should step up and start an association where they show up at every event, and keep track of whos competing, whos winning, and who shows up, you cant just come out and just say oh im a pro i can twelve, or i can roll 500 foot stoppies, the bottom line and the main problem is, none knows what goes on from one event from the next, we know what happens in every xsba event because they keep points, but even then half the guys dont show up at all the events, if someone started an organization where all the riders who compete were registered, and there was some type of rating system, you could keep track of what goes on, and more importantly who is pro and who is amature, this sport is never gonna grow unless we make it grow, this site is the perfect starting point for all actions, i have been following this sport scince i watched wink1100 do a wheelie with three people on his silver 1100 in 1997 in long island, i have seen it grow tremendously from that point, there used to be one competition a year in my area, now there a hundreds across the world. i see the whos who of the community here on this site and i realy think someone should do something about this this year, i have seen major network coverage on stunting, a major motion picture(yes it did suck but still gotts start somewhere), and a crowned xsba champion of sorts, keep the ball rollin, we are breaking out of the mainstream, lets go the extra mile.
sorry for rambling, but i am real passionate about my sport, i neverplyed sports as a kid, and now i ride wheelies on a 400 lb peice of aluminum, steel and plastic. go figure?
i think all of you guys are making serious sense, it sounds weird coming from a bunch of guys who thrive to abuse a ten thousand dollar peice of machinery, but you are hitting the nail right on the head, i go to at least 10 events every summer, and one of my main gripes every time is the events are not organized, too many people show up to compete, practice goes on for hours, and the event gets pushed and hurried to the last possible minute. now what i beleive should happen, and im no college graduate or any thing, i beleive someone should step up and start an association where they show up at every event, and keep track of whos competing, whos winning, and who shows up, you cant just come out and just say oh im a pro i can twelve, or i can roll 500 foot stoppies, the bottom line and the main problem is, none knows what goes on from one event from the next, we know what happens in every xsba event because they keep points, but even then half the guys dont show up at all the events, if someone started an organization where all the riders who compete were registered, and there was some type of rating system, you could keep track of what goes on, and more importantly who is pro and who is amature, this sport is never gonna grow unless we make it grow, this site is the perfect starting point for all actions, i have been following this sport scince i watched wink1100 do a wheelie with three people on his silver 1100 in 1997 in long island, i have seen it grow tremendously from that point, there used to be one competition a year in my area, now there a hundreds across the world. i see the whos who of the community here on this site and i realy think someone should do something about this this year, i have seen major network coverage on stunting, a major motion picture(yes it did suck but still gotts start somewhere), and a crowned xsba champion of sorts, keep the ball rollin, we are breaking out of the mainstream, lets go the extra mile.
sorry for rambling, but i am real passionate about my sport, i neverplyed sports as a kid, and now i ride wheelies on a 400 lb peice of aluminum, steel and plastic. go figure?
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OK I have an event coming up... its not fair to have the locals go up againt gorka, woods, schwarts, hill, stevens, jackson, brandon, payne, jon jon, weber, viera, etc etc etc etc
So I need to have a class where these guys can make good loot to pay for thier trips, and the little guys have a chance to show what they got and pay for some broken biek parts.
I plan on going by last year's XSBA competitors. If you placed with the XSBA last season, you are pro. If you did not place with XSBA you are amateur. There are a few exceptions to the rule that we will deal with at the time.
I was thinking, if you are a serious competitor and listed as so on StuntLife, you will be in the pro class. Otherwise you will be amateur or if you are listed as a serious competitor here and want to be amateur, I will move your group to up and coming stunt team section...
Back in teh day when pro meant you have a video out, and amateur meant you dont have a video out. Some guys with videos competed as amateurs but called themselves pros. The way I see it, if you call yourself pro, you act like it and compete like it.... Otherwise you are like the rest of us working your way to the top.
Nuff said.
So I need to have a class where these guys can make good loot to pay for thier trips, and the little guys have a chance to show what they got and pay for some broken biek parts.
I plan on going by last year's XSBA competitors. If you placed with the XSBA last season, you are pro. If you did not place with XSBA you are amateur. There are a few exceptions to the rule that we will deal with at the time.
I was thinking, if you are a serious competitor and listed as so on StuntLife, you will be in the pro class. Otherwise you will be amateur or if you are listed as a serious competitor here and want to be amateur, I will move your group to up and coming stunt team section...
Back in teh day when pro meant you have a video out, and amateur meant you dont have a video out. Some guys with videos competed as amateurs but called themselves pros. The way I see it, if you call yourself pro, you act like it and compete like it.... Otherwise you are like the rest of us working your way to the top.
Nuff said.
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Originally posted by 9hunit
a point of veiw from a spectator, and amature stunter,
i think all of you guys are making serious sense, it sounds weird coming from a bunch of guys who thrive to abuse a ten thousand dollar peice of machinery, but you are hitting the nail right on the head, i go to at least 10 events every summer, and one of my main gripes every time is the events are not organized, too many people show up to compete, practice goes on for hours, and the event gets pushed and hurried to the last possible minute. now what i beleive should happen, and im no college graduate or any thing, i beleive someone should step up and start an association where they show up at every event, and keep track of whos competing, whos winning, and who shows up, you cant just come out and just say oh im a pro i can twelve, or i can roll 500 foot stoppies, the bottom line and the main problem is, none knows what goes on from one event from the next, we know what happens in every xsba event because they keep points, but even then half the guys dont show up at all the events, if someone started an organization where all the riders who compete were registered, and there was some type of rating system, you could keep track of what goes on, and more importantly who is pro and who is amature, this sport is never gonna grow unless we make it grow, this site is the perfect starting point for all actions, i have been following this sport scince i watched wink1100 do a wheelie with three people on his silver 1100 in 1997 in long island, i have seen it grow tremendously from that point, there used to be one competition a year in my area, now there a hundreds across the world. i see the whos who of the community here on this site and i realy think someone should do something about this this year, i have seen major network coverage on stunting, a major motion picture(yes it did suck but still gotts start somewhere), and a crowned xsba champion of sorts, keep the ball rollin, we are breaking out of the mainstream, lets go the extra mile.
sorry for rambling, but i am real passionate about my sport, i neverplyed sports as a kid, and now i ride wheelies on a 400 lb peice of aluminum, steel and plastic. go figure?
a point of veiw from a spectator, and amature stunter,
i think all of you guys are making serious sense, it sounds weird coming from a bunch of guys who thrive to abuse a ten thousand dollar peice of machinery, but you are hitting the nail right on the head, i go to at least 10 events every summer, and one of my main gripes every time is the events are not organized, too many people show up to compete, practice goes on for hours, and the event gets pushed and hurried to the last possible minute. now what i beleive should happen, and im no college graduate or any thing, i beleive someone should step up and start an association where they show up at every event, and keep track of whos competing, whos winning, and who shows up, you cant just come out and just say oh im a pro i can twelve, or i can roll 500 foot stoppies, the bottom line and the main problem is, none knows what goes on from one event from the next, we know what happens in every xsba event because they keep points, but even then half the guys dont show up at all the events, if someone started an organization where all the riders who compete were registered, and there was some type of rating system, you could keep track of what goes on, and more importantly who is pro and who is amature, this sport is never gonna grow unless we make it grow, this site is the perfect starting point for all actions, i have been following this sport scince i watched wink1100 do a wheelie with three people on his silver 1100 in 1997 in long island, i have seen it grow tremendously from that point, there used to be one competition a year in my area, now there a hundreds across the world. i see the whos who of the community here on this site and i realy think someone should do something about this this year, i have seen major network coverage on stunting, a major motion picture(yes it did suck but still gotts start somewhere), and a crowned xsba champion of sorts, keep the ball rollin, we are breaking out of the mainstream, lets go the extra mile.
sorry for rambling, but i am real passionate about my sport, i neverplyed sports as a kid, and now i ride wheelies on a 400 lb peice of aluminum, steel and plastic. go figure?
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You can have amatuers, Pro-AM and Pros.
I consider myself an amatuer because I not rolling pass 200ft on endos, I am not doing slow 12's, circles, one handers and so on.
I was writing down some things to give to Todd Colbert but I will give it all here.
Amatuer
1. Endo-200ft or less on a consistent bases.
2. no controlled 12's, that includes scraping and then setting it down.
3. Combos-3 or less in one run.
4. as not placed in a amatuer event
Pro-AM
1. Endo 200+ ft but not consistent but nothing less than 150 ft consistent
2. Can 12, includes scraping without setting it back down but can not keep the bike slow
3. Combos-4 in one run
4. as placed in the top 3 in more than one event at 2 shows in one calender year.
Now, this being Pro-Am, a rider winning an event more than twice can ride in that event on the Pro level although he does not have all the criterias for a Pro.
PRO
1. endo 250 ft consistent and nothing less.
2. Can do anything with 12's
3. Combos-4+ in a one run
4. as won all events at more than 2 amatuer shows in one calender year. Places in the Top 3 consecutively at every amatuer event entered in one calendar year and it must be 3 events or more.
Must meet 3 of the 4 criterias.
Now, this is a rough draft and can definitely use others inputs. I am just starting to put things down from my experience as a Pro-AM rider in motorcross.
Sure the amatuer level could use a points system, so everyone putting on an event knows who is an amatuer and who isn't anymore. To ride in a Pro event in motorcross, the rider must have 100 points or more in amatuer ranks in one year and purchase a pro license. Now that may have changed for those who know more about these days. I have not raced since 98.
anyways, Shuggs can start a amatuer ranking forum so those putting on the event can look at it and print it for their event. The rider and event host is responsible for udating shuggs. Only the Top 5 positions will receive points.
Well it is a start, so start editing,adding or giving input.
I consider myself an amatuer because I not rolling pass 200ft on endos, I am not doing slow 12's, circles, one handers and so on.
I was writing down some things to give to Todd Colbert but I will give it all here.
Amatuer
1. Endo-200ft or less on a consistent bases.
2. no controlled 12's, that includes scraping and then setting it down.
3. Combos-3 or less in one run.
4. as not placed in a amatuer event
Pro-AM
1. Endo 200+ ft but not consistent but nothing less than 150 ft consistent
2. Can 12, includes scraping without setting it back down but can not keep the bike slow
3. Combos-4 in one run
4. as placed in the top 3 in more than one event at 2 shows in one calender year.
Now, this being Pro-Am, a rider winning an event more than twice can ride in that event on the Pro level although he does not have all the criterias for a Pro.
PRO
1. endo 250 ft consistent and nothing less.
2. Can do anything with 12's
3. Combos-4+ in a one run
4. as won all events at more than 2 amatuer shows in one calender year. Places in the Top 3 consecutively at every amatuer event entered in one calendar year and it must be 3 events or more.
Must meet 3 of the 4 criterias.
Now, this is a rough draft and can definitely use others inputs. I am just starting to put things down from my experience as a Pro-AM rider in motorcross.
Sure the amatuer level could use a points system, so everyone putting on an event knows who is an amatuer and who isn't anymore. To ride in a Pro event in motorcross, the rider must have 100 points or more in amatuer ranks in one year and purchase a pro license. Now that may have changed for those who know more about these days. I have not raced since 98.
anyways, Shuggs can start a amatuer ranking forum so those putting on the event can look at it and print it for their event. The rider and event host is responsible for udating shuggs. Only the Top 5 positions will receive points.
Well it is a start, so start editing,adding or giving input.
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We talked about this **** a long time ago, points, rankings, licenses and the works... its a lot to try to keep up with...its all coming together, it just takes time
this is why the XSBA initiated the Regional Qualifier system
recognizing events like stuntwars/stuntfest/reality and the likes
if an amatuer goes to these events and places top 5 in a freestyle or longest stoppie contest, they will be allowed to compete on the next level
Geared up and Vertical Mischief Placed top 5 in the team freestyle at stuntwars... to me both of these teams had very good runs, not to say that individual riders in the team cant be pros or amatuers, just as an entire team they were great, and if one or more of the members decides to come compete at the xsba they are more than welcome
the other teams that placed were Wheelie Boyz/ P.O.B. and the 1096/core6/reality crew
its like minor league baseball... you prove yourself then you get to move on..... and the good thing about it is that the top pros often host the events and do not compete, allowing more teams a chance to shine.... if XXX/POB/1096/Core6 and PBR all competed at the same team event we could assume they would get 1st thru 5th, but say xxx/pbr hosted the event.... it allows 2 other teams to shine through
we all know who regularly wins events and we can tell who is passionate and competes getting better and better until they win.... for this we recognize them and give them a spot at the xsba
all the riders who participate in the xsba have an equal voice in the way things work.....it is a "FSA" ..... together with the current xsba riders we have set safety standards, payouts, judging, we provide opportunities for riders to do demos at other venues, we can provide rider contracts for paying performances.... we have a ton of resources at our disposal...
ask and you shall recieve
this is why the XSBA initiated the Regional Qualifier system
recognizing events like stuntwars/stuntfest/reality and the likes
if an amatuer goes to these events and places top 5 in a freestyle or longest stoppie contest, they will be allowed to compete on the next level
Geared up and Vertical Mischief Placed top 5 in the team freestyle at stuntwars... to me both of these teams had very good runs, not to say that individual riders in the team cant be pros or amatuers, just as an entire team they were great, and if one or more of the members decides to come compete at the xsba they are more than welcome
the other teams that placed were Wheelie Boyz/ P.O.B. and the 1096/core6/reality crew
its like minor league baseball... you prove yourself then you get to move on..... and the good thing about it is that the top pros often host the events and do not compete, allowing more teams a chance to shine.... if XXX/POB/1096/Core6 and PBR all competed at the same team event we could assume they would get 1st thru 5th, but say xxx/pbr hosted the event.... it allows 2 other teams to shine through
we all know who regularly wins events and we can tell who is passionate and competes getting better and better until they win.... for this we recognize them and give them a spot at the xsba
all the riders who participate in the xsba have an equal voice in the way things work.....it is a "FSA" ..... together with the current xsba riders we have set safety standards, payouts, judging, we provide opportunities for riders to do demos at other venues, we can provide rider contracts for paying performances.... we have a ton of resources at our disposal...
ask and you shall recieve
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Originally posted by PRESTONofUV
You can have amatuers, Pro-AM and Pros.
I consider myself an amatuer because I not rolling pass 200ft on endos, I am not doing slow 12's, circles, one handers and so on.
I was writing down some things to give to Todd Colbert but I will give it all here.
Amatuer
1. Endo-200ft or less on a consistent bases.
2. no controlled 12's, that includes scraping and then setting it down.
3. Combos-3 or less in one run.
4. as not placed in a amatuer event
Pro-AM
1. Endo 200+ ft but not consistent but nothing less than 150 ft consistent
2. Can 12, includes scraping without setting it back down but can not keep the bike slow
3. Combos-4 in one run
4. as placed in the top 3 in more than one event at 2 shows in one calender year.
Now, this being Pro-Am, a rider winning an event more than twice can ride in that event on the Pro level although he does not have all the criterias for a Pro.
PRO
1. endo 250 ft consistent and nothing less.
2. Can do anything with 12's
3. Combos-4+ in a one run
4. as won all events at more than 2 amatuer shows in one calender year. Places in the Top 3 consecutively at every amatuer event entered in one calendar year and it must be 3 events or more.
Must meet 3 of the 4 criterias.
Now, this is a rough draft and can definitely use others inputs. I am just starting to put things down from my experience as a Pro-AM rider in motorcross.
Sure the amatuer level could use a points system, so everyone putting on an event knows who is an amatuer and who isn't anymore. To ride in a Pro event in motorcross, the rider must have 100 points or more in amatuer ranks in one year and purchase a pro license. Now that may have changed for those who know more about these days. I have not raced since 98.
anyways, Shuggs can start a amatuer ranking forum so those putting on the event can look at it and print it for their event. The rider and event host is responsible for udating shuggs. Only the Top 5 positions will receive points.
Well it is a start, so start editing,adding or giving input.
You can have amatuers, Pro-AM and Pros.
I consider myself an amatuer because I not rolling pass 200ft on endos, I am not doing slow 12's, circles, one handers and so on.
I was writing down some things to give to Todd Colbert but I will give it all here.
Amatuer
1. Endo-200ft or less on a consistent bases.
2. no controlled 12's, that includes scraping and then setting it down.
3. Combos-3 or less in one run.
4. as not placed in a amatuer event
Pro-AM
1. Endo 200+ ft but not consistent but nothing less than 150 ft consistent
2. Can 12, includes scraping without setting it back down but can not keep the bike slow
3. Combos-4 in one run
4. as placed in the top 3 in more than one event at 2 shows in one calender year.
Now, this being Pro-Am, a rider winning an event more than twice can ride in that event on the Pro level although he does not have all the criterias for a Pro.
PRO
1. endo 250 ft consistent and nothing less.
2. Can do anything with 12's
3. Combos-4+ in a one run
4. as won all events at more than 2 amatuer shows in one calender year. Places in the Top 3 consecutively at every amatuer event entered in one calendar year and it must be 3 events or more.
Must meet 3 of the 4 criterias.
Now, this is a rough draft and can definitely use others inputs. I am just starting to put things down from my experience as a Pro-AM rider in motorcross.
Sure the amatuer level could use a points system, so everyone putting on an event knows who is an amatuer and who isn't anymore. To ride in a Pro event in motorcross, the rider must have 100 points or more in amatuer ranks in one year and purchase a pro license. Now that may have changed for those who know more about these days. I have not raced since 98.
anyways, Shuggs can start a amatuer ranking forum so those putting on the event can look at it and print it for their event. The rider and event host is responsible for udating shuggs. Only the Top 5 positions will receive points.
Well it is a start, so start editing,adding or giving input.
i think you got it close, maybe a little strict on the stoppies, i ride with guys controling twelves, 3+ combos, and can spin around like mokeys but they dont have 200 footers, maybe 100 for amature and 200 for pro, i dont see many people going over 100 feet around here maybe its the roads, or they dont care, but 200 sounds a little steep, the rest sounds pretty good though.
