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Old May 16, 2005 | 01:57 AM
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There was a time many many years ago where if you had a go kart, go ped, anything motorized, anything that shouldn't be on the street. A cop would tell you to take it to a school parking lot. Times have apparently changed, as yesterday we were threatened with tresspassing tickets for being in a school parking lot at about 8pm. They cited liability as one reason that we had to leave, the main reason being that some cars had left burnouts on the pavement and for somereason they thought that that ment we would too. Why is everyone so concered about liability anymore yet there are new city skateparks poping up all over every year. Why is it that the city can have an open piece of concrete with jumps and ramps for skateboarders who may come and go without waivers or supervision and without protective equipment without worry of liavility, but yet a school parking lot would be so liable for any injuries we sustained. Can someone talk liability with me and make me understand why i feel **** just ain't fair?
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Re: someone discuss liability with me

Originally Posted by JonnyJ
There was a time many many years ago where if you had a go kart, go ped, anything motorized, anything that shouldn't be on the street. A cop would tell you to take it to a school parking lot. Times have apparently changed, as yesterday we were threatened with tresspassing tickets for being in a school parking lot at about 8pm. They cited liability as one reason that we had to leave, the main reason being that some cars had left burnouts on the pavement and for somereason they thought that that ment we would too. Why is everyone so concered about liability anymore yet there are new city skateparks poping up all over every year. Why is it that the city can have an open piece of concrete with jumps and ramps for skateboarders who may come and go without waivers or supervision and without protective equipment without worry of liavility, but yet a school parking lot would be so liable for any injuries we sustained. Can someone talk liability with me and make me understand why i feel **** just ain't fair?
I'm pretty sure that there are signs at the skate park that say "ride at your own risk" so being there and riding waves them or any liability because there are signs. I doubt there are "Stunt at your own risk" signs in a school parking lot. Plus our sport is looked on a wreckless and even if you don't do burnouts, you will get blamed for cars that do.
Old May 16, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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i was thinking the same thing ...how theres no where legal to ride yet i keep reading in the paper about all the government grants there using for skateparks., nothing against skaters but dam why do they need 30 parks in a 20 mile radius...when we have no where to ride and practice for our sport.

I read a few months ago how the kids and parents lobbied and went to the township meeting to push for a skatepark that they said they needed for their children to have a place to ride and after the gov. grant awarded to them to build the park they may have used it for 2 whole months.,now their claiming noone even uses the park anymore.,

why cant we get them bit(hes to grant us some dough for a boxed in blacktop square ..or hell just barracade off an old lot so no runaway bikes can hurt any bystanders..and call it a day.

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Old May 16, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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it's expensive. End of story.
Old May 16, 2005 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by forcefedfreak
it's expensive. End of story.
Whats expsensive the $100,000 skate park or a blocked off road? I'm just shocked that a simple "skate at your own risk" sign will waive all liability. Why doesn't everyone put up signs then, I can see it now "enter at your own risk" above the sliding doors at Wal Mart. I should just go around town and give out signs to people to put in their lots "stunt at your own risk" then they'd be fine!???
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this is even more of a reason to put my plan in action, this weekend after drinking myself into a confucious state of mind, i decided i am taking my fiddy to a skatepark, i don't see why not, and next task is takin the big bike ther
Old May 16, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by crtchrktrcr
this is even more of a reason to put my plan in action, this weekend after drinking myself into a confucious state of mind, i decided i am taking my fiddy to a skatepark, i don't see why not, and next task is takin the big bike ther

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Old May 16, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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It's totally different when you have a motor though. I know what you are saying and it makes sense. But I know in NH if you lose your lisence for whatever reason you aren't allowed to ride a sled on trails, you aren't even allowed to ride a fricken ride on lawn-mower. you are walkin' son.
Old May 16, 2005 | 03:45 PM
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Skate parks died off in the 70's because of liability reasons, they made a comeback when the sport regained MAJOR popularity.Most parks have requirements of specific safety equiptment, waivers, and or chaperones.

The liability factor with school parking lots is because if the govt.(school board...county govt) knows what is happening there and then little Johnny who is only 15 years old talks someone into letting him ride a bike there and he wrecks and dies......lil Johnnys parents ARE going to say that the owner of the property is responsible for "allowing" the activity by NOT stopping it.
That is the reason people are very VERY reluctant to allow their property to be used.....and Im sure that you will have even less luck with government property.
It sucks but in this day and age thats how it is
Old May 16, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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I found a finger in the parking lot I was stunting in, now Im going to keep the finger as evidence and sue the parking lot owner for all my future tickets on the street because Im now traumitized of parking lots. After all, the owner of the parking lot must have let that finger be there ...now Im forever going to have to rock the streets!
Old May 16, 2005 | 04:51 PM
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I'll sum it up...

You and your buddies/stunt team are probably intelligant guys and are safe. 35 kids in a skatepark is pretty safe too. The odd twisted ankle or headfull of stitches. Immagine 30 guys in the 'asphalt park' all doing the same thing but with different vehicles. Stunters, drag racers, guys with mullets in camaros doing donuts...you name it. There would be collisions, crashes, explosions, fires, fist-fights...you name it. THATS why there is no 'at your own risk' motorsports park. Might be at your own risk, but the fire-trucks and paramadics would be ther eocnstatly. Not to mention all the crashed up rides getting claimed on insurance etc...
Old May 16, 2005 | 05:39 PM
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^^^ Thats a good point. Conclusion: Find a good spot. Good luck.
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ok it's a firebird, and i only did one donut,, ***
Old May 16, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by crtchrktrcr
this is even more of a reason to put my plan in action, this weekend after drinking myself into a confucious state of mind, i decided i am taking my fiddy to a skatepark, i don't see why not, and next task is takin the big bike ther
I've taken the fiddy there at night but there are big signs saying "NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES"

So back to the school liability issue here. How about sports people get hurt at all the time, alot more than stunt riding even. Lets try soccer, football, track (twisted ankles, fall on head pole vaulting, baseball. I don't know how many times i've watched an ambulance travel onto a field at a football or soccer game. They know that its dangerous and people are doing it, yet they escape liability somehow?
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^^^ even more of a reason why adults shouldn't be playing soccer, let me rephrase that, *men shouldn't play soccer. chick sport
Old May 16, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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you know what it is.... no one has any PERSONAL RESPONCIABILTY left. if someone ****ing spills hot chocolate on them selves its obviously McDonalds fault for having the HOT chocolate too hott.

people these days will sue over ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. so land owners, schools, etc are too ****in scard to let people do anything "wrong" on the property.
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Originally Posted by FooFighters203
you know what it is.... no one has any PERSONAL RESPONCIABILTY left. if someone ****ing spills hot chocolate on them selves its obviously McDonalds fault for having the HOT chocolate too hott.

people these days will sue over ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. so land owners, schools, etc are too ****in scard to let people do anything "wrong" on the property.

+1 exactly
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best thing is to find a spot and even talk to the owners of the building which has a huge parking lot tell them what you do, you get harrased by cops on the streets and half the people out there will be cool with it even sign a liabilty form or something, burnouts would be considered damaging the property. We got a spot out here the guys who work in the building come out and watch there was even a cop there and he said he can't do anything unless someone complains. SImple plan respect the property, keep it clean don't throw garbage around and everyone can get along hopefully. I've gotten to the point where i'm tired of riding on the street cause i always get chased after doing a wheelie or endo etc. Some ***** *** cop is going to mess up my driving liscence for doing a wheelie for some kids on the street, i think not try and catch me in that piece of **** crown vic When we get older we realize we need a liscence to get us around to and from work, etc take it to some big parking lots and keep the sport safe
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life.... it's a mother-fu(ker
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Re: someone discuss liability with me

Do you guys know about "hazzardous activities"?

I dont....but ive been hearing alot about it lately with local skate parks. If you get hurt participating in a "hazzardous activity" you can not sue anybody. Rigth now alot of bicyclists are trying to get it classified as hazzardous so they can open a dirt jumping park. This is probably the route we should be looking at.



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