If you like to read Brian there are line of books by author Richard Marcinko who's an ex-Navy Seal and writes "Fiction" books about his war stories. Even though the books are "fiction" there is a lot of info in them that will give you insite on what takes place behind the scenes and lets just say **** didn't happen with Clinton in office, but then again the info was "fiction" it's the Rogue Warrior Series and very awesome material, he will have you on the edge of your seat and at time shaking like the first couple wheelies of the year I can't wait to get the shakes (from wheelies)

 

Last I checked, Clinton hasn't been president in over 3 years. Why is it that whenever Republicans feel the need to defend themselves, they bring up Clinton?

WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT CLINTON! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSH!!!

 

Same reason liberals change the subject when they get caught out there...

The fact is that Bush was handed a stacked deck...and in this particular thread Clinton was brought up by Brian_c6 abviously not a Republican.

 

Would you rather me refer to nixon... where half the people on this board werent even alive... Or maybe Reagan where most were to young to remember what he did in office.

Just trying to make a reference to a president that people can remember and associate with



When you gonna b up in the area for skiing?

 

Brian brought it up and I decided along with others to comment on it, thank you oh ya and take some advise from you user name j/k lata

 

 

How about next weekend? I'm leaving in a few minutes to go home to Tennessee, so this weekend is out. And since it's been so warm lately, there won't be any snow left if I wait too much longer.

If you wanna go, I think I can let you use my pass to get a free ticket. No way in hell I'm gonna use up all the days this season.

-Cameron, Libertarian
gun-totin' pot lovin' economist

 

Brian, no disrespect but you are way off on a lot of your comments. Clinton did nothing in office and it was left for Bush to clean up the mess Clinton left. The economy was doing great because Clinton did nothing about checking any of the companies "fixing" the books. If Clinton wrote up this National Security Plan why did he never put it in effect?

“They all but said, "If you don't use this new plan, America will be attacked by some sort of terrorism soon". And what did the Bush Admin do with it? Nothing!!!”

If I remember correctly it was Clinton who did nothing after the first time the WTC was bombed not Bush. The second time around it was Bush who was in office that was not a coward and went after Osama.

“How are those "Weapons of Mass Destruction" that are pouring out of Iraq?”

That was one fear of Iraq but it was not the only reason or even the main reason. It is so funny how people get hung up on WMD. It was the only thing we were not able to find. We went after a person who used WMD to kill his own people and go him.

“Bush is the WORST we've seen a long time.”

Bush had to make some tough choices but he was not afraid to make choice that will hurt us in the near term to prevent something worse later on. He is working on cleaning up both internal problems in our country and also outside. Clinton was the worst leader for allowing the WTC to be attacked twice and also allowing the companies on the stock market to inflate without any checks. Bush came in and saw what was gooing on and had to bring charges up on a lot of companies and people. Even one of the most loved women Martha he had to go after. Is that going to make him popular No but it is the right thing todo rather then brushing it under the carpet.

“And for those who think he's taken control of Terrorism..... well, what would anyone else have done? Stand there? He did what every other man would have done but prevent it from happening in the first place”

Well Clinton did nothing and it was Bush who took the war to Osama instead of waiting for Osama to attack us again like Clinton.


The point of this thread was about the choice of Kerry vs Bush. I posted a email I received to stir up some discusion. I enjoy this debate and enjoy reading both sides of the story. As long as we stick to arguing about topics and not starting to put each other down it should be fun and we all can learn a little more. No let me comment about the first post I made because I do nto agree with it 100% like I do not agree with everything Bush stands for.

The list of defense programs that Kerry voted against is a bit overstated. There are really only 2 bills included in my first post, each is a general defense appropriations bill, not an approval for a specific program. However, I did a little research last night on bills our friend actually sponsored and found some interesting numbers:

1994 S.1826 Deficit reduction bill with specific cuts:
Reduce intelligence budget by $1B in 1 year, and maintain that level for 5 years
Reduce P-3 anti-sub aircraft from 31 to 13 over 3 years.
Reduce funding for High energy reactors by $57M (Fusion research)

1995 S.1290: Deficit reduction bill which proposed specific cuts:
Cancel Trident missile program
Phase out 2 Army divisions
Reduce foreign intelligence budget by $1.5B over 5 years ($300M each year)
Cancel M-1 tank upgrades
Terminate all funding for Selective Service
Cancel International Space Station
Reduce research in Fossil, Nuclear, & Fusion power generation by 25%

1996 S. 1580 additional funding for community policing efforts
Reduce overall defense budget by $6.5B in one year!

None of these ever received a vote, or even a co-sponsor.

 

The plan was designed in the later part of Clinton's Admin.... and it was never implimented in time. Gore had full intentions on using it. FYI, It was later implemented on 9/12.

Bush Sucks. We had no right to take Saddam out. Just because we don't agree with how they live over there, doesn't mean we can take him out. Bush is a tyrant and is using America's power to his advatage. He thinks he's the leader of the human race.... not just US..... and I further stand behind that statement after his lovely view on the Gay Marriage issue. He's a numbskull who's personal values / morals equal those of the 50's & 60's. Well, it's not the 50's & 60's.... it's 2004. His personal views on issues are changing laws daily and he's taking your rights away. He's halting american culture and human progression as we know it. He won't be in office come the end of January '05 and for good reasons.... you'll see. The guy should have never won anyway.

How about his new ad campaign..... we'll see how the American people embrace that new mess he created yesterday

Brian

PS. I do not consider myself a Republican nor a Democrate. I have my own beliefs and I stand up for how I feel. I don't have any particular political party dictating how I feel.

 

the US has for a long time stuck its' nose in other issues involving humanity around the world. do i think this is a good thing when we have our own humanity issues in the US? no, but that is what the US does-brings democracy to the world as best it can...i am undecided on this issue.

Bush is a moral man-something this country is in desperate need of. the 50's and 60's moral values need to be brought back, i dont care what year it is. the US is in a state of moral decline...ever been around kids lately? i am every day and the things that these kids are doing and exposed to at 10 years old is revolting!! the things you and i were doing at 16 are now being done by these kids...try and tell me our morals haven't been destroyed. and while we are talkign about morals-Clinton is a great example to our children-getting hummers from his secretary while he's married-great message!! i dont care if that has nothing to do with him being the president-he was a man with responsibility...the same can be said for a teacher like me...for example, coming to school hungover every day might not affect my job and i could still do a great job, but what kind of example am i setting...

we need morals in this country again. the divorce rate, broken families, etc is shameful.

Teach

 

Amen, that is why I like Bush. He is taking such a strong stances on some tough topics. Women and Women and Men and Men should not be getting legally married. We are on earth to repoduce. Gays are confused people that need help but that is another topic in itself (there goes another bag of worms). What is shameful is how these Judges and Mayors are disregarding the law and marraying these people illegally. Shame on them!!!!

Teach, How can you ben a teacher and not be a dem? All teachers are Dem.

 

Not true a lot of teachers I know changed their party affiliation after Clinton backed out or didn't stand behind on his Education Bills

 

Teachers are whishy-washy. Much like our friend to the south, Senator Kerry.

 

"The plan was designed in the later part of Clinton's Admin.... and it was never implimented in time. Gore had full intentions on using it. FYI, It was later implemented on 9/12. "

Why didn't Clinton implement it then? 9/11 happened 9 onths after he was sworn in.

"We had no right to take Saddam out."

What do you think we should have done? Nothing? Nevermind how he treated his own citizens. How about him not cooperating with the rest of the world on anything? Disregarding all of the UN sanctions. Saddam was the tyrant..don't forget that. He had 12 years to cooperate. When is enough enough?

"..... and I further stand behind that statement after his lovely view on the Gay Marriage issue. "

I agree with you on this one. BUT the majority of the population has the same views...as well as Kerry. Marrige NO Civil Union Yes. IMO both sides need to get over the word MARRIGE. IMO marrige started with religion and should stay there...gov't has no right to stick their nose in. If your religion supports gay marrige...end of story IMO. We do have freedom of religion right?

"He won't be in office come the end of January '05 and for good reasons.... you'll see."

You are probably right but I hope not.

"How about his new ad campaign..... we'll see how the American people embrace that new mess he created yesterday"

Liberal media spin. One widow made a phone call and all of a sudden the country is out raged? Have you seen the ads? There is abolutely nothing wrong with using 9/11 in his campaign. Nothing..

Teach - well said. I cannot believe how kids act these days. No respect whatsoever.

"We are on earth to repoduce"

Then it should be illegal for sterile couples to get married. There should be a fertility test before you get the lisence.

"Gays are confused people that need help but that is another topic in itself (there goes another bag of worms)."

I think the Hetro-sexuals are the ones who are confused. Esp. if you still think it is a choice to be gay.

"What is shameful is how these Judges and Mayors and disregarding the law and marriange these people illegally. Shame on them!!!!

Kudos to them. The same was said about the people who wanted civil rights for blacks.

"Teach, How can you ben a teacher and not be a dem? All teachers are Dem."

lol I was thinking the same thing

 

This is a good thread.... even though discussing politics on the internet is dumb, I still enjoy a good debate online. Sometimes reading it in print and going back to re-read it is a good way to allow yourself a pause and re-evaluation of your view. Good stuff!!

Teach.... couldn't agree more with your statements about morality. Morals stem from religion, not politics, and it should stay that way. The problem is less people attend church these days and the civil obedience it brings to human life is dwindling away. Morals really have nothing to do with Politics. I would also like to say that although Clinton was partially to blame I still think the media had an even bigger "to do" with the reason kids are subjected to these issues today. I mean speaking of sex / politics / morals from yester-year (50's & 60's), does anyone remember J.F. Kennedy? The man was banging so many hot chicks behind his wifes' back that it made Clinton look like an virgin. I mean c'mon people!!

As far as Gay Marriage... do I agree with it? Probably Not. But I don't think 1 person, 1 term, 1 admin should decide what is right or wrong and the direction this country should take as a whole. "Gayness" (if that's what you call it) is a reality in humans and you can't just ignore it. You can say "Leave Religion to Religion and Politics to Politics" but realize that being married has financial & political benefits in this country. If marriage was strickly Religion from the start we wouldn't have any of these issues.

Brian

PS. I never agreed with how Clinton lived his personal life, I was speaking strickly politics and how HE ran this country as a business.

 

gotta agree with you Brian, but when ur the Commander in Chief your personal life isn't private

 

true... it is a blatant downfall of the Clinton era.

 

"does anyone remember J.F. Kennedy?"

Yes but However he didn't throw it in everyones face though. Clinton treated the White House as his own person pimp mansion. Rented out Lincolns bedroom...the antics in the Oval office. Sh*t Regan would not step a foot in the Oval office without a suit on. But you are right about the media issue though....back then they protected the president.

"If marriage was strickly Religion from the start we wouldn't have any of these issues."

This is true but it was the gov't that started it. They wanted their piece of the pie. It's all 'bout the $$$

"HE ran this country as a business."

like Enron lol

 

YUP!! All true!! Media sucks and TV's phuckin kids up.

 

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