And the ASSHAT of the year award goes to...(Drumroll) Mr. BIKERBOY!!! To answer your first question "Uhhh, just for the record, how can they be bred for temperament and companionship if they are, as you stated, " blood line is show quality"... Being involved in the dog world, and have with pits for some 20yrs or so, everyone knows, from the pompoous westminster shows on tv and beyond, show dogs are bred for nothing but looks..... name one show german shepherd that can compete in police trials....
It doesn't exist. He is bred for different purposes..."

READ THIS
The Temperament of the APBT is THE MOST important aspect of the breed.

American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he/she expects any minute to see something new and exciting.

The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life.

Judges: Temperament is fundamental and the most important aspect of the breed. The above line from the standard uses the word ESSENTIAL. This means the essence of the breed is its temperament and outgoing enjoyment of every moment not its substance, head size or movement. Confidence is a must! Puppies may be nervous and wide eyed but should never avoid the judge. Adults that show any type of fear or HUMAN aggression should be disqualified and judges should follow through on signing the book on it.

Judges for the sake of our breed do not hesitate to dismiss a dog and certainly never pick a dog (even a 6-12 month puppy) that is fearful or aggressive toward humans. Our breed is in mortal danger because too many dogs with fear and human aggression are being bred. People do not realize that temperament is 80% (some say more) genetic in dogs.

Regarding aggression in the breed: DOG to DOG aggression IS a characteristic of most terriers, including the APBT, BUT IS 100%, completely different from DOG to HUMAN aggression. Any APBT that displays dog toward human aggression in any form, unless saving the life of their owners, should be euthanized. The APBT is not a guardian breed and should never act like one.

While v arious degrees of dog to dog aggression are to be expected. Handlers at all times MUST and are expected to maintain control of their dogs at all times and dogs must be trained and socialized around other dogs enough that they can be moved through crowded show venues without danger to other dogs. If a dog is out of control excuse the competitor.

Any dog showing aggression toward a human I don't care what the breed or reason the dog should be euthanized. (working sports such as Schutzhund exhibit controlled aggression toward a padded suit not toward a human)

This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm.

Judges a dog brimming over with enthusiasm should bean automatic PLUS!!!! A dog with this type of joy that has a fault in conformation should win over a dog with no personality that does not have a fault. That is how vital the temperament is to the future of this breed!

Do not put up dead head, no personality dogs. These are terriers and should act like terriers.

Bottom line: The Standard notes that the essential characteristic of the breed are courage and a zest for life. The APBT should be ALIVE and NEVER NEVER NEVER FEARFUL!!!!

An APBT should always have a happy smile when meeting new people and should wag their tails enthusiastically especially as puppies.

Older more experienced dogs are less outwardly bubbling over with enthusiasm they will typically be calm but alert and will respond to the judge or other interesting distraction.

APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children.

"Right after my dog finished barking at a handsome young Akita that was WAY out of control with a careless obviously newby owner (My female likes other dogs to behave appropriately at shows). We turned around and introduced her to a friends baby boy who was in a play pen. She jumped up immediately tail flying all over the place and gave the baby a full-on face wash and then did not want to leave the baby. Probably for fear the Akita would come back. A "media savvy" spectator (ok a brainwashed moron) yelled at our friend "How can you let that vicious dog near your baby?" To which they (knowing the breed and my dog) replied "I'd let this dog near my baby anytime and anywhere, but if you come near me or my child again I'm calling the police!".

Because SOME APBTs can exhibit a level of dog toward other dogs aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog.

-BSL (Breed (APBT) Specific Legislation)-

http://www.apbtconformation.com/temperament.htm
ARE YOU STILL WITH ME??? MR. PIKERBOY!!!!!!!
NOW PART 2 OF Q#1
The parents as well as the grand parents of the dam / sire are Show CH 2-4x's. That would make these puppies show quality.
Now just a FYI around here fighting pits is a big problem. As well as people/kids getting bite. In fact the breed is banned in dade county(miami) because of bad publicity over the years. I live in broward county, right next to it. I want to make it clear that these dogs are not GAME dogs and are Beautiful, lovable, loyal, house dogs. That do not show agression towards humans.
STILL WITH ME??? MR. ASSHAT!!!!
Q#2 - "why do you want so much for show dogs? I guess its the demand. People just want a "big" scary looking dog."
Implying that my dogs are ONLY BIG and SCARY looking and NOTHING else, is only your opinion and not factual.
I don't know about where you live but studding alone goes for 3k for show quality dogs around here. I started with 9 puppies and have 4 left some have been sold for over 1k. So my price to me is a good deal for these dogs. I guess it is a demand thing. In fact it was also lowered again for quicker sale.

Q#3 why do you keep calling them "Am. Bull Terriers"? The are American Pit Bull Terriers

Yes MR. BIKER***** you are absolutly correct, they are APBT.
Again around here saying PITBULL is like saying BOMB on a airplane. People freak because of the stereotype these dogs have. But FYI I actually changed the title to Pit bull on other forums but When I went to change it here, I couldn't find the edit option. It's posted on quite a few forums.
STILL WITH ME??? COME ON KEEP READING, YOU MIGHT JUST LEARN SOMETHING. MR. SCHOOLBOY!!
Q#4 - "And if its UKC registered, its not technically purebred. UKC allows American Staffordshire Terriers ( AKC) to breed with American Pit Bull Terriers ( ADBA). The ADBA nor the AKC would allow ANY intermingling of the breed. But UKC DOES and a weird quirk to it is that AKC accepts UKC, and the ADBA accepts, UKC. SO anything with UKC in it is technically a mutt with similar ancestors....
So why do you want so much again?"
These dogs are currently $600.00 Please don't insult my integrity with IF... my dogs ARE UKC reg.
WTF do you mean NOT pure bred??? Heres a qoute from http://www.ukcdogs.com/
"Our mission is to be the world's best registry of purebred dogs, to offer our customers the most efficient and creative services possible, to use our data to help our customers breed the best dogs in the world and to create a wide spectrum of performance and conformation events in which those dogs can prove their instincts and heritage." Also they are currently the second largest registry!!!
Saying that ANYTHING with UKC is a mutt, is solely your opinion and based on ...non factual .So don't write about something you seem to have no clue about!!
I know this is alot for the peasize brain of yours MR. ASSWIPE! but are you still with me??? Good.

 

Continued!
Q#5- "Not to bust your bubble, as long as there are people to pay for high priced dogs and not know a damn thing about the breed, they'll be people who sell them.
bust my bubble???? HAH Are you saying pitbulls aren't worth anything???
WTF are you talking about?? Look you get what you pay for with anything! Sure anyone for a hundred$ can get a lil retarted basterd that if your lucky will go get something. Not the case here. These pups have a great bloodline period.

Q#6-
"But, what do I know. I am just not a fan of ANY show dogs. Notrhing I buy will EVER be show ANYTHING. If I buy a bloodhound, his *** better enjoy sniffing, if I buy an Autralian Kelpie, that son of a btch better chase and herd cattle, if I buy a little rat terrier, that sucker better kill me some rats, if I buy a golden retriever he better obtain water ffowl. How do you get this? Non-show stuff is never bred to working stuff. General Rule of thumb... Show stuff ALWAYS contaminates working stock..."

Blood hound, retriever, terrier??? aahh whats your point? again this is you opinion on what YOU want in a dog.
second part ALWAYS Contaminates blah blah blah
http://www.realpitbull.com/history.html
Today the Pit Bull has evolved into a marvelous working and companion dog, used for purposes as varied as those it originally performed. Pit Bulls are employed as police/armed services dogs, search and rescuers, therapy animals, and livestock workers. They compete in all manner of organized dog sports, from herding to agility to conformation to obedience and the bite sports like Schutzhund and French Ring. They make loving pets for children and seniors, and everyone in between. The are indeed one of the most versatile breeds on the planet. Much of this is owed to the activities it once performed. The harshness and physical demands of the activities molded a strong, healthy, stable animal, one anyone should be proud to own.

STILL WITH ME MR. RABBIT?? After all isn't that what a bear wipes his *** with!!

Q#6 -"If you want a dog to act and behave like it was originally intended to do, then go after the working stuff, train it, and keep its drives under control. Otherwise, if you want to look cool, with whatever dog you perceive as cool, you want to be lazy and dont train it much, and have a sheep in wolfs clothing, then buy show dogs. They behave very much like a regular dog. Nothing about them is special besides the looks.
WTF?? Are you "special" or something?? I bet you rode the short bus to school didn't you?? um I'm not buying dogs I'm selling dogs. "COOL" haha sorry budy I'm not some lil punk. the rest you seem to be contradicting yourself, don't know your point if there even is one.

"But I can say, your dogs do look healthy, you seem to be taking good care of them, and I have no problem with you or your dogs. Unfortuneatly most pit breeders have not a clue about typical dog husbandry and many die from diseases, filth, etc...."
Thanks for your one and only f@cking compliment.it's worth less than
saying "MOST breeders have no clue about the breed"is again your opinion and nonfactual. Also saying it is implying I have no clue, which I think your the one with no clue.
CLASS DISSMISSED!!!!!

 

where are the footnotes?

 

NICE DOGS DEFINATELY WORTH IT

 

SON I WANT ONE!!!.. but i don't have that type of $$ rite now.

 

Dude, your explaining exactly what i just did but in a longer format. I agree that most are bred for the wrong reasons, etc and most people do not breed for temperament, stability, etc.

But common sense would tell you that just b/c you have a fancy "show" pedigree doesn't make the dog's offspring 100% what your after. It only increases your chances of having a good dog.

The shtty dogs you speak of, that have weak nerves that freak out with people, etc are a combination of poor breeding characteristcs, and a little something called conditioning. When the dogs I work with are trained for the military, they are just BORN ready to fight with sounds of gun shots, etc right out the box. Its a little something called conditioning.

You can make a very weak dog in terms of stability, perform decent.

For what you want, thats all you need. You can take a poor bred dog, and follow through with the proper environmental aspects and make it a show dog.

You act as if "show" dogs are extremely stable. I bet you that without any abuse can make ANY of your dogs attack me. Yea, your stable, loving, good temperment dogs.

The reasons those other dogs bike and attack kids is b/c everyone wants to jump in on the "cool" bandwagon. If your going to sit there and say you and everyone you sold your pups, etc to are buying them b/c they want a loving pet, etc is lying. Majority of the buyers will NEVER participate in ANY dogs shows, majority will NEVER bring their dogs to have it professionally triained, mojority will NEVER think "their" dog is a bad breeding prospect as they have never really had any experience truly working with them, let alone knowing everything up and down MEMORIZED at the top of their head on the breed and how they came about.

Listen, I tried to be nice, your trying to make some money, you have to copy and paste to prove a point, and so on. Listen, everything you told me I already know. You're nothing but a puppy peddler. tyrying to make a few extra bucks with your big scary looking dogs that are "friendly" and kind....

Beisdes, those rules I have enforced. I was petitioned to be a judge with the ADBA.

Trust me, I know MORE than you assume.


P.S. ---> Lots of the posts here. They are basing everything value wise as to what they think they dog is worth not by, how many certificates of achievement you have by bring your dogs to elderly homes, childrens hospitals, schools, etc to PROVE you have "nice freindly dogs". And yes, there are certificates you can obtain for doing these tasks which I am sure you know nothing about.

Just about everywhere you go, including these types of posts; your not the only one whose tried to sell pit pups here), all you hear is " they are worth it, they look good", "wow, they have big heads", etc...So my point is proven. You're selling "cool looking dogs" as most people do are buying dogs based off of looks not unabridged merit...

 

beautiful pups.....but will there noses fill in a full color( its the two different colors a pup things?) like their parents?......just curious