Is it just me or does eveybody else hate this shit to????
11-13-2003, 07:22 PM
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Is it just me or does eveybody else hate this **** to????
There are alot of dope video and DVD's coming out but I swear on each one there are always these fu(kin annoying video tricks that give me a gawd damn headache...I'm trying to watch a guy do a stunt and the camera is doing some retarded color thing or it skips everyother frame. I'm sure the editors think its real cool **** but frankly is annoying...If i'm the only one that feels this way I'll shut the fu(k up, but if you guys think it ruins videos please speak up so its not such a chore watching a video that I pay $15 for. Example: the first quarter of "110%" those camera tricks made the fu(ker unwatchable, I had to fastforward the thing just to watch it.
11-13-2003, 07:56 PM
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BUMP!!!! FOr sure.
I think effects are needed to an extent.
watching 2 hrs of nothing but straight stunts with no editing can suck too.
But I agree, there seems to be too much going on now.
As far as burnouts go, I say cut em all together
I think effects are needed to an extent.
watching 2 hrs of nothing but straight stunts with no editing can suck too.
But I agree, there seems to be too much going on now.
As far as burnouts go, I say cut em all together
11-13-2003, 08:35 PM
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trust me it wasnt intentional in 110%....
we wanted to have footage from each event in the movie, the only footage we had from Summit and portland was Hi 8
simply trying to do slo mo with the hi 8 footage made it chop up like that....funny thing was that it didnt seem to do it on the computer while it was being edited
so it was not intentional, it was a newbie mistake on my part, but hey we all gotta learn somehow
thanks for the video purchase though, I hope the rest was enjoyable and informative
we wanted to have footage from each event in the movie, the only footage we had from Summit and portland was Hi 8
simply trying to do slo mo with the hi 8 footage made it chop up like that....funny thing was that it didnt seem to do it on the computer while it was being edited
so it was not intentional, it was a newbie mistake on my part, but hey we all gotta learn somehow
thanks for the video purchase though, I hope the rest was enjoyable and informative
11-13-2003, 11:25 PM
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honestly i find it kinda funny sometimes that people get on here and blast the guys who do vids like they are ****** trained monkeys..................yet some ****** guy gets on here and posts pics of power wheelies and they say "hey bro everybody has to satrt somewhere!" I mean come on i love the feedback on my clips cuz it gives me a feel for what people like and dont like, but some of u guys act like this vid **** is easy! I challenge any one of u that rides (oh and yes i ride .............. well i did untill i started doin video and fell in love with the sport............sold my bike and havent been on my quad in six months cuz ive been so busy doin video stuff for all of u and for a dvd ive been tryin to finish) anyways i challenge anyone of u who like to ride as much as i do to stand trackside for a full weekend filmin stuff (payin to get in and not actually watchin anything................if uve ever video taped u know what i mean) then spenidng countless hours learnin a decent editing program.............actually try months / a year on that one........spendin days capturing footage...........more days pickin a song and then hours/ days editing it. All the while havin about 3000 people look at and or download yer vid and only 20 people take the time to give u some feedback on it! So before u talk about why a video like 110% sucks why dont u try lettin thomas know what u liked and then tell him what u think could be improved.........oh and also before u talk about how U feel it would be better because of what u think why dont u step back and think about the fact that U dont buy 10,000 videos by yerself.....................u cant please everyone all the time ................. but u can be humble and accept criticism if its given the right way......................sorry if this post sounds fukked up but its how i feel and if u cant approve of that then lemme know somethin u work hard/feel u are somewhat good and ill have 200 people tell u how they could do it so much better and then u let me know if it starts to get to u! By the way this reply isnt directed just at the guy who started this thread its directed at alot of people!
11-13-2003, 11:47 PM
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Sclevela, i have some feedback for you- your Biketoberfest Video was very good, but the Reality Racing Video you put together......
KICKED FUKIN A$$!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep up the good work man....there will always be a few people who don't like the vids, but the number who like them easily out way those people.
KICKED FUKIN A$$!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep up the good work man....there will always be a few people who don't like the vids, but the number who like them easily out way those people.
11-14-2003, 12:31 AM
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I see what your saying but look at it this way. I'm producing something with the ratio of stunters to non stunters that will purchase at a 50/50 and thats a generous figure for stunters. Why would I want to have a bunch of slow "boring" clips that will lose my audience? I can use the slow/long clips if I keep them distracted by flashing lights. And no I don't use tardie flashing lights but you get the idea. Now when you see our video you will knock it for the v-envelops but I can tell you that all the non stunters out there are looking for a more broad audience mtv style edit.
But your point is valid and I agree, I've seen the same ****in wheelie shot the same way with poor lighting on a shitty camera without "proper" color correction and barn ****in doors so many times I would rather stab myself in the eye than put something like that out. This market if flooded with mediocre product. If your going to be upset with poor editing, poor camera work, and poor videos you need to take into consideration that 90% of the people making these vids are Joe average playing with a digi8. Just because we spent well over 10K on camera equipment to have quality images doesn't mean we will make that money up. Until people pass on poor quality the people trying to do something about it will lose money, or as I call it interest. Its all irrelevant, there is really no money in it for the little fish like apex. We have yet to make a dime and I'm not sure we will ever break even if we take into consideration all of our expenses. And the truth of the matter is we did it for fun. I have a video background as does adam and doing this was a hobby. In the end if you want good quality video, editing, and production ask the major sponsors. Because they are the ones that will eventually be responsible for enabling people like myself who are willing to travel and setup the proper choreography to shoot major players in the stunt world. Then again.... we dont have major sponsors. Until then barn doors, lighting bolts, and other such plug-in bs is what we will receive.
But your point is valid and I agree, I've seen the same ****in wheelie shot the same way with poor lighting on a shitty camera without "proper" color correction and barn ****in doors so many times I would rather stab myself in the eye than put something like that out. This market if flooded with mediocre product. If your going to be upset with poor editing, poor camera work, and poor videos you need to take into consideration that 90% of the people making these vids are Joe average playing with a digi8. Just because we spent well over 10K on camera equipment to have quality images doesn't mean we will make that money up. Until people pass on poor quality the people trying to do something about it will lose money, or as I call it interest. Its all irrelevant, there is really no money in it for the little fish like apex. We have yet to make a dime and I'm not sure we will ever break even if we take into consideration all of our expenses. And the truth of the matter is we did it for fun. I have a video background as does adam and doing this was a hobby. In the end if you want good quality video, editing, and production ask the major sponsors. Because they are the ones that will eventually be responsible for enabling people like myself who are willing to travel and setup the proper choreography to shoot major players in the stunt world. Then again.... we dont have major sponsors. Until then barn doors, lighting bolts, and other such plug-in bs is what we will receive.
11-14-2003, 02:20 PM
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I got a hold of some of the first stunt vid's that hit the scene and I will say that out of the 7 or 8 I got the best one I thought was the D Aces video.
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11-14-2003, 03:19 PM
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I think that since this sport is still relatively new, it's going to take some playing around to get to the right video effects. Don't get me wrong some videos have WAY too much effects in them like the guy was saying, "What else can I add to this video to distract people from the fact I can't stunt". But for the most part I personally think some effects are cool, they tend to make the film look more "big budget". They crap effects can go though
11-14-2003, 03:54 PM
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Everybody has to start somewhere... how bout with the basics? If you cant edit a good piece based on pace and energy alone, with just crossdissolve and straight cuts, you have no buisness trying to be the next mtv sfx guy ( right from the gates ).... then there is the whole prebuilt f/x stuff... gaaaaaarbage. your only hurting the video. "hey look at that kick as trick...who is that" "dont know he looks like a fak'n rainbow of gayness"
11-14-2003, 04:04 PM
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ill call you dont have aim and currently im stuck in the middle of no where new mexico
ps if i havent said it enough... fx built into premiere/vegas/avid for the most part suck, should be used sparingly and creatively.
Its all about compositing
ps if i havent said it enough... fx built into premiere/vegas/avid for the most part suck, should be used sparingly and creatively.
Its all about compositing
12-26-2003, 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by Nefarious
Everybody has to start somewhere... how bout with the basics? If you cant edit a good piece based on pace and energy alone, with just crossdissolve and straight cuts, you have no buisness trying to be the next mtv sfx guy ( right from the gates ).... then there is the whole prebuilt f/x stuff... gaaaaaarbage. your only hurting the video. "hey look at that kick as trick...who is that" "dont know he looks like a fak'n rainbow of gayness"
Everybody has to start somewhere... how bout with the basics? If you cant edit a good piece based on pace and energy alone, with just crossdissolve and straight cuts, you have no buisness trying to be the next mtv sfx guy ( right from the gates ).... then there is the whole prebuilt f/x stuff... gaaaaaarbage. your only hurting the video. "hey look at that kick as trick...who is that" "dont know he looks like a fak'n rainbow of gayness"
my thought exactly stick to straight vid with limited effects and be creative.
geroge lucas didnt jump right in and do star wars did he ????
keep it simple till you get some time doing it get more creative as you progress with your knowledge of film production
12-26-2003, 10:12 AM
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i agree, too many effects can ruin the video, but you got to have more then just clip after clip.
and thomas is right, some effects look tight in the editing program, then when you convert the **** to mpeg and it is played on the TV, they get a little ****ed up.
edit, preview, burn, watch on TV, edit some more and repeat, its a long and painfull process
and thomas is right, some effects look tight in the editing program, then when you convert the **** to mpeg and it is played on the TV, they get a little ****ed up.
edit, preview, burn, watch on TV, edit some more and repeat, its a long and painfull process
12-26-2003, 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by punisherzx12r
i agree, too many effects can ruin the video, but you got to have more then just clip after clip.
and thomas is right, some effects look tight in the editing program, then when you convert the **** to mpeg and it is played on the TV, they get a little ****ed up.
edit, preview, burn, watch on TV, edit some more and repeat, its a long and painfull process
i agree, too many effects can ruin the video, but you got to have more then just clip after clip.
and thomas is right, some effects look tight in the editing program, then when you convert the **** to mpeg and it is played on the TV, they get a little ****ed up.
edit, preview, burn, watch on TV, edit some more and repeat, its a long and painfull process
