All that **** that happened happened here where I'm stationed. What is your opinion on it? It was done by a unit before we arrived and that unit has since redeployed back home. I was just wondering what some of you all thought about it or think should happen concerning it. Does it affect Bushes credibility? Any thoughts?

 

It's an unfortunate situation no doubt. We are all going to pay the price for thier bad judgement in the long run, no matter where we're stationed. This shouldn't affect his credibility, but thanks to the media no doubt will. He is our boss after all, and when we do something stupid who's shoulders does it fall on? the boss's. The good thing for him is that he's already an idiot, so that situation can't get any worse. I feel for you guys in Iraq, life sucks and its not going to get any better. Lets just hope the rest of the pictures never surface, cuz you and I both know there are more detailed pictures waiting to be sold to the mass media as soon as the person with them can get them back to the states. good luck man stay safe

 

I'm not in the military so I may be speaking out of school but after the Iraqi soldiers raped 9 year olds in Kuwait and draged dead Americans naked through the streets I figure you got off easy with a little sodomy. And what makes the Iraqis and those other terrorists **** so special when you go to prison you should be expecting a little *** rape. Also all the middle easterners who are so upset about the Iraqi terrorists being naked and what not it comes off as a little two faced considering that they have been doing this to their own people for 1000's of years. Blaming Bush or all American military for this incident would be similar to blaming all arabs or muslims everytime there is a terrorist attack so if we are going to play that game it would be fine with me.

 

The way I see it, nobody else should be held accountable for those Marines higher than their CO. Not Bush, Rumsfeld or anybody else.

 

For one.. Like Lewiska says.. Its shouldnt go any higher than their officers or whatever...Like Bush has control over a handful of soldiers on the front lines of a battle..

I think its gettin blown way out of proportion.. Granted its not right because we are supposed to be the leader and setting examples for the world, but did our 4 citizens that got murdered, burned and then their bodies drug through the streets get this much attention.. No... Those people werent terrorists.. They were their to help people.. The prisoners that got beat or whatever were terrorists and killers. Remember our POWs from Desert storm. Came back with broken limbs, burn marks, bruised, malnouriched (sp?), stabbed.. Come on..

This whole ****ing thing over their is really starting to get me.. I am at a point were I say we should get the hell out, save some of our soldiers who arent getting the thanks they deserve and let them do what the middle east people have been doing for 2000 years already.. Keep killing each other..

 

You said it the best.

 

Marines? I thought it was the Army who did it? eh?

 

yea it was the army...not us, good job doing your research on that one there killer...

 

Glad to see you're just as cynical as I remember. Welcome back

 

as always dude...u know me! check your PM's btw

 

Bottom line about this abuse is that no one will rememeber it in a year so it doesnt matter. someone will fall for it and thats it. the less we worry about it better it is for everone else. end of discusion. that is all

ps MARINE CORPS RULES

 

Oops my bad. I'm so used to saying Marines. Yes it was Army.

 

it sucks that it happened, we should be better than that, but i hate the excuses they are making, like they didn't have the Geneva conventions posted on how to treat prisoners.
every year we are given a class on EPW's, how to handle them and etc (5 S's and T). i even taught the class 3 years ago. And it is not like they couldn't have looked it up anywhere. it isn't fair that we are always expected to play by the rules when every other country can get away this this crap, but when we do it, the repercussions are crazy.
on another note, there was a university prof. that did a psychology study of some sort (these are all voluntary) and he put the students in a prison setting with some prisoners and some jailers. They were doing stuff like this and it got so bad he had to end his study early.
I also think the person taking the pics/vids was an idiot, how could they not think this would come back to haunt them!!!!

 

[QUOTE=LadyAliKat]it sucks that it happened, we should be better than that, but i hate the excuses they are making, like they didn't have the Geneva conventions posted on how to treat prisoners.
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They learned abour the Geneva convention in Boot Camp I'm sure.
To be able to even go overseas you get a million briefs about that crap anyways.

 

[QUOTE=LewisKA]exactly which is why every time i hear that i want to smack them!!!!

 

I just read that study for my Research Methods of Criminology course I"m taking with American Military University. Not even half way into the study did they have to kank it cuz the student "guards" were being wicked mean and doing some bad stuff.

I just got all the pics in a powerpoint pres in my email today. Absolutly disgusting what they did. I'm gonna go puke now. seriously

 

yeah i took a few psych classes and that study was brought up a few times. Def. crazy and hard to believe they could do that to each other. oh man i don't want to know what else they did, my brother said about the same thing, that they got all the uncensored pics and stuff they won't show over here.

 

First and foremost, that sh*t was F@#$#D up. Anyone, no matter who told you to do it or not should be fried. That was some sick stuff. The simple fact that someone (don't know who) came up with that idea to do that kind of thing to another human being is just wrong. I def think that the first thing they should do is put everyone who was involved in it in Levenworth and leave them there for as long as they live. I also think that trying to blame some general or Rumsfeld is just stupid. As far as we know they were trying to take care of the issue without it getting out in the open. I've seen the pics and that was some grotesque stuff. Everyone personally involved is wrong. Fry them.

S/F

Oh and that female who says that she is a scapegoat is in one of the pics smiling and pointing at the guys and blowing one of them. they also have pics of her getting with other soldiers. Sounds like she's trying to use the infamous "chick card" (BTW no offense to the ladies my wife is in the Navy, has been for several years, i think women rock).

 

i feel like those bastards had it coming. no remorse for the iraq or the people over there and it doesn't matter what is done over here they'll continue doing "unconventional" fighting to a "conventional" army. so to me "unconventional" torture to get info to prevent the lost of another american soldier is ok in my book. it's getting to the point, that everyone knows at least one or two freind(s), family member(s), etc.. over there. so look at like this what's the distance would you be willing to go to get information to save a freind or family member and their freinds and peers that are fighting in that **** hole. i'm not trying to upset or start a arguement with anyone. please just realize that when we leave our families here in the states that the guys dieing over there are our (the service members) families dieing before us. and i've already lost two "brothers" (one in iraq and one in afgan) so like i said i have no remorse for those two faced back stabing countries. what ya (the civilian population) see on the tv with how those people are sufering over there and we're the bad guys (the allied forces) is just that TV. please just remember that before you start knocking on what's going on over there and how things are handled over there (if you do). all is not what it seems. and most of all if you show your support every now and then to a soldier it means so much to us. it helps us realize that we are doing the right thing........ PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY. thank ya for the support that ya have shown. i'll try to keep up with this fourm topic over there.

josh smith
US Army

 

I feel that our soildiers have been over there so long!! who know what they are thinking!! You kow we were over there for one reason , but know one really dont know what the reason was , was it gas , oil, revenge?? See our soldiers are there in the hot *** sun , missing there family, families missing them!! Its like beng in jail!! They have to be tired of the same **** everyday!! Look at what the iraqs are doing to our people!! Its just not broadcasted on TV!! But anything we do is being shown,Its already we have soldiers over there dying for the cause to save another county when ours hav emajor problems!! it like we are the police!! Just bring them home!! you can imadine how the are suffering and dying!! its not right they dont even want us there!!